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Why didn't Itachi do or say anything when .......

Discussion in 'Konoha Library' started by cctr9, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. cctr9 Get out of my way !

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    Kakuzu and Hidan were heading towards Konoha
    Spoiler:
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    He was supposed to be a " spy " who worked for Konoha's sake , and he's priority was to fulfill his role and protect Konohagakure .
    Kakuzu and Hidan's endeavor was abvious , capturing the Kyuubi's Jinchuuriki , which can not be done w/o killing many shinobi from Konohagakure and terrorizing the village .

    This happened , moments after he was just helping the Akatsuki kill Yugito
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    Not too long after he helped the Akatsuki capture and kill the Kazekage Gaara .
     
  2. professor83 Unfortunately being hero is a limited-time thing

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    The "Village is off limits" was a bullshit made for itachis story
    If obito really wanted itachi dead itachi would have been dead.
     
  3. The Death & The Strawberry Put your grasses on, nothing will be wong.

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    Shush:gabedon't let Itachi fans hear you. They think that Itachi allowing Naruto, to get mutilated by Kisame as "helping" konoha. :maybeI mean, maybe Hidan and Kakuzu were helping the village too, by killing ninja from the village, and killing asuma.
     
  4. Mar55 Member

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    Because if he tried Obito would've had him slaughtered by Pain, or someone else.

    The Leaf being off limits is BS, and clearly a retcon that makes no sense.
     
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  5. Zef Well-Known Member

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    Because Itachi being a good guy in any capacity is a dumb retcon.
     
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  6. Milliardo G.L.P.

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    Itachi as a spy..:lmao
     
  7. fuff Maybe next time ;)

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    because he knew they would not succeed
     
  8. Mar55 Member

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    But they very nearly did. In fact, if Naruto showed up a minute later, Kakashi and Team Asuma would all be dead. Also, if Kakuzu didn't randomly switch his tactics, he would've easily killed Naruto.

    The real reason is because it's a retcon, like most things involving Itachi, plain and simple.
     
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  9. professor83 Unfortunately being hero is a limited-time thing

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    Itachi fans logic
    "He told kisame to take masters out" But itachi already gai coming
    "Itachi asked sasuke to kill his best friend" But itachi knew sasuke wouldnot kill his friend
    "He did not do anything against the akatsuki " Because he was a spy
    What are his feats as a spy :troll

    We have many more
    Itachi did not want to . . . . . .
    Itachi was a. . . . .
     
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  10. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    If those villages knew precisely where Akatsuki would be and which members would be there, it would be obvious that there was a spy; Tobi would instantly know who that spy is and so would Zetsu thus Pain would too. At that instant, I'm sure Itachi's "Konoha off limits" and "leave Sasuke alone" agreements would be revoked; Itachi would not want that.

    Basically it would not be in Itachi's best interests if the two characters stronger than him knew he was a mole that was actively leaking info.
     
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  11. The Death & The Strawberry Put your grasses on, nothing will be wong.

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    You are talking as if Obito does not already know. :lmao

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    itachi's character was simply a mess and Kishi did not really know what he wants to do with him exactly. Everything related to his character seems to be just "on the spot" type of thing. That's why there are an enormous amount of things that just don't add up whether it's related to the role of being a spy, or his age, his "knowledge" has always proven wrong one way or the other, his actions and statements...etc etc. Nothing really adds up when it comes to his character.

    I guess I will same the long stuff for when his poll comes out tho. :catwalk
     
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  13. Pocalypse Return of the God

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    Retcon. Fair enough he was a spy but he was a terrible spy and when you look at the story, he wouldn't have accomplished anything.

    He wouldn't have been able to stop Akatsuki if they wanted to obliterate Konoha as a whole group or heck if Pain wanted to go himself even when Itachi was alive, Itachi wouldn't be able to do anything either. I always thought as long as Pain was there Itachi's mission was useless.
     
  14. MasterORB Active Member

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    "Is Sasuke in the village, No, so fuck them."

    Now for more serious thought, the only thing that Itachi care was Sasuke and even then for example That Sasuke had die against Deidare we would be in a depression and then die alone full of regret.
     
  15. Brandon Lee Green Days are not Gone

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    itachi knew gai was there, and kakuzu and hidan were going to be decapitated.
     
  16. PhantomSage Solo King

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  17. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Except I said "Tobi would instantly know who that spy is and so would Zetsu thus Pain would too" :maybe
     
  18. cctr9 Get out of my way !

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    That implies Tobi didn't already know, which he obviously did. He knew everything about Itachi's plan, minus the last ditch kill attempt. Zetsu did too.
     
  20. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Read the whole post: if Konoha and Komu knew precisely which members were coming to them then Tobi will instantly know who the mole was. For added measure, there'd be Zetsu knowing.

    Put another way: Tobi would instantly realise it was Itachi leaking information to the nations. If he didn't know then he'd need to do some digging and not instantly realise.
     
  21. PhantomSage Solo King

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    It wasn't a retcon, because we already had hints that support the notion of his being "good".
    So it makes me wonder what the fuck Kishi is thinking at times. :mikebatman
     
  22. Mar55 Member

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    That's just it though, Tobi knew Itachi was a mole, there were no other moles. He had no digging to do, he simply kept Itachi around as an asset, since he was so valuable.
     
  23. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    I literally said he wouldn't need to do any digging.

    Why didn't Itachi do anything? He knew anything he did would expose him instantly, more than just to Tobi.

    He was a spy but it seemed that he never shared intel nor did he ever intend to take measures to do so. Seems like the spy thing was a last minute thing, tbh. Unless his info was going to Danzo?
     
  24. Pocalypse Return of the God

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    Found out. Killed with his own sword :bookerskully
     
  25. PhantomSage Solo King

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    What?
     
  26. Mar55 Member

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    To who? Obito knew about Itachi from day 1, and he wasn't gonna out him. How would anyone else find out?
     
  27. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    You've fixed on one point and ignored the whole point.
    Tobi knew, but then Zetsu will know if Itachi began going out of his way to leak info and if Zetsu knew he'd notify Pain... the leader.
     
  28. Mar55 Member

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    Except, Zetsu worked for Obito, not Pain. Meaning he'd do nothing of the sort. So, that point is moot.
     
  29. MasterORB Active Member

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    yeah, even Itachi partner Kisame was a dumb spy too.

    And why should Itachi leak Information to anybody, if it was to Danzo, he would say fuck them Let them fail so i could be an Hokage, Tsunade , So could people say, "You know this guy that kill his entire family, and torture his younger brother that make deflect from us, yeah he is told us that the Akatsuki is coming to Konoha.":sauceskully
     
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  30. Hussain .

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    How is Obito going to know anyway? The Akatsuki were killed in their first try to attack more or less.
    And it's not like he ever cared to see why or how that happened.

    Heck, even besides the information, itachi had the chance to kill Oro and yet he did not do shit. You could argue Kakuzu was more beneficial to Konoha than itachi ever did. :lmao

    Kishi was trying desperately to glorify itachi, but in reality he did absolutely nothing. :catdude
     
  31. Mar55 Member

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    This. Itachi was a failure in all walks of life. He even admits as much, he only succeeded after dying and returning as a zombie. I'm sorry, but that hardly counts.
     
  32. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Except Zetsu was the Akatsuki spy, so if he saw Itachi leaking information he'd inform Pain, likely with Tobi's approval.
     
  33. Hussain .

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    I see pitiful excuses. :mikebatman

    Itachi supposedly knew about Obito since before the night when he killed his clan at the very least, which he did not tell anyone about.
    And after that night he went to join the Akatsuki, it was like at least 5-6 years from that night until Oro's invasion to Konoha.

    Why did he not tell Hiruzen anything at all after all those years? :mayuri
     
  34. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Let's say he leaked information about Hidan and Kakuzu and Konoha used strategies which relied on knowledge of their abilities. Zetsu would have recorded that, Tobi is going to quickly realise who leaked that information.

    I don't fully get how Itachi is a spy for obvious reasons, but I don't think ticking off Obito and Pain would've helped Itachi's cause.
     
  35. Hussain .

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    Zetsu is going to record the battle, not the event where itachi is telling them. :apathy
    And there is no proof that Obito is going to get that because it can be easily said that on that team were both Kakashi and Shikmaru
    who are considered to be geniuses, so it shouldn't be so fishy if they looked like the figure out their abilities fast. :catdude
     
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    But he wouldn't, because Obito wouldn't. As we seen, Obito knew Itachi was never on his side. In the entire time he had the chance to kill Itachi, he never once tried, despite his double agent status.

    Because Itachi was a valuable asset, and eventually was going to play rights into his hands. While also eliminating himself from the equation. Obito would have no reason to kill Itachi if he gave Konoha info about Kakuzu and Hidan, they failed anyway.

    Obito didn't even need them, Pain was always the ace in the hole.
     
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    Shit, I don't know. Maybe Hiruzen was getting Alzheimer or something. The only we thing we know before Obito was unmask is that Danzo and Itachi he was only know as Madara.
     
  38. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Obito also knew Itachi would stay in line till Sasuke was in Obito's clutches. However, if Itachi started making Akatsuki's mission harder by, for example, telling villages who the members were and how to counter their abilities, then he'd be dealt with and Itachi knew that.
    Itachi was valuable to Obito only because the former would lead Sasuke to the latter. Apart from that, Itachi didn't have any more value than a regular member.
     
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    Which villagers could Itachi even tell? They all thought he was a murderous mad man, no one would ever believe him.

    Not to mention doing something like that would be considered outing Hiruzen and Danzo. Who would've had to have him killed for securtiy measures.

    Obito had him locked in, unable to call for any help, even if he tried. Literally no reason to take out an asset, regardless of how much of one, that can't betray you anyway.
     
  40. Hussain .

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    Itachi encountered Naruto in the forest when he gave that crow. How was it going to hurt if he took that extra step and told him (Or Kakashi in part 1) inside the Genjutsu about what is going on? Or at least about some of the Akatsuki information?

    Zetsu can't record what happened inside the Genjutsu can he? And he clearly was not following itachi anyway since he did not know about that encounter. :catdude
     
  41. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Zetsu's always recording it seems. If he catches Itachi leaking info he'll be caught. Remember the Zetsu network?

    If they countered their abilities from the beginning without having the time to learn and counter their abilities, it will be obvious that they knew about the Akatsuki's abilities beforehand.

    They would at least consider his information if he's providing info on S-Ranked criminals.

    Likewise if Itachi started leaking info, Akatsuki would kill him for the same reasons Hiruzen/Danzo would.

    That's another point: Itachi had all the odds against him and betraying Akatsuki would not be worth the consequences it will bring. He was locked in from all sides.
     
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    It would've been pointless. Naruto telling Kakashi would've went nowhere. When Kakashi did hear the truth about Itachi he was sceptical and didn't want anyone else to know.

    Naruto telling anyone else would lead back to Danzo, and then Itachi dies, having acomplished nothing really.
     
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    But for example Jiraiya he knew about the Akatsuki and told some information to Kakashi, and when Kakashi told him something to Itachi he told Kisame to take Kakashi with them, to do something. Even than Jiraiya didn't know about the true behind the massacre, even the 4th Raikage did know about Narutos parents but not the Uchiha massacre, only Kabuto knew about that and maybe Orochimaru.
     
  44. The Death & The Strawberry Put your grasses on, nothing will be wong.

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    :trollIts called tough love, no matter how much I like him doesn't stop me from chewing out bullshit.
     
  45. VHS Moderator Moderator

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    Forget about his shit spying skills for a minute. How did it only just now dawn on me that Tobi's "X" line wasn't just empty hype and wank, but blatant and contradictory bullshit? I practically zoned out the Zombie duo arc but still.:geg

    His mere presence within the organization was itself a deterrent against them acting against Konoha to begin with, according to Tobi anyway, yet Hidan and Kakuzu being sent there while he was still alive and kicking showed that he didn't deter shit. Thought I noticed every hole, but I missed the most gaping one of all.:sag
     
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    Well, from the time I've spent on here, I've noticed that only haters go on about "Itachi was a fucking retard, he was a trash spy, he ruined Sasuke's life, etc."

    :mlpshrug
     
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    Maybe the deal was leave the village and Sasuke intact, and I help you get the Biju.
     
  48. The Death & The Strawberry Put your grasses on, nothing will be wong.

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    For the bold
    1. Isn't true, what else would someone do in that scenario?
    2. Is true, was likely just bad writing
    3. Well, yes he did.

    Doesn't change me for liking his character and what he stands for(I say him as a jesus figure), but he did do some fucked up shit , that shouldn't be ignored.
     
  49. PhantomSage Solo King

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    That's what everyone is saying.

    Okay.

    But he's alive. :catsmug
    So that kinda balances it out :catsmug
     
  50. VHS Moderator Moderator

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    A pretty shoddy deal since Obito ended up fucking both after Itachi kicked it.:cattired

    Unless you're talking about some hispanic drug kartel by the same name, that's one comparison I don't get whatsoever.:oh
     

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