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Unresticted Tier List Construction Thread

Discussion in 'Konoha Training Grounds' started by Kinjishi, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    In working towards a future Semi-Unrestricted Tournament, let's discuss the tier list. Our main objectives will be to...

    • Update Tier List
    • Balance Tier List

    *Many links in the profiles are outdated and not functioning. They will be fixed, eventually.

    Please discuss.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2016
  2. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    Gai needs to be priced higher or have his 7th gate removed. He intercepted Madara in V3 with a couple mile spanning Hirudora, and was able to blast in and threaten Madara without getting touched by Goudama from Juubi Madara.

    I think Legged Susanoo should be banned.

    Minato should be priced higher because of his war feats, and Reaper Death Seal is a real cheap move IMO. He can just kill himself and your Nagato at match start and have 40 points worth of team smash the opponents remaining 12.

    Kakashi needs to be limited to pre War Kamui cause he can spam that shit a bunch before keeling over, and he was able to snipe BM Naruto so fast that Obito thought he just killed the clone. He also has the size to warp Gedo's head, and Killer Bee. He can also warp himself.

    C0 has the same problem as Reaper death seal

    Sauce needs to be properly restricted to essentially Kabuto fight EMS.

    Gaara should get Shikaku back with new feats if we are allowing other Bjuu.

    Why is Bjuudama allowed lmao? That sounds like nuke city from distance.

    That's all I see from first glance.
     
  3. Dr. Leonard Church away fighting dragons

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    Madara should not have clones. Period. He solo'd pretty much the entire last SU because he could spam Mokuton and Katon with upwards of 5 clones, nobody could get close to him, nobody could AOE him (Preta Realm), nobody could find the right Madara. Only reason he lost was because he got up against himself, or (IIRC) Kakashi @Short.

    We could restrict him further (no Rinnegan/Mokuton) but that seems a bit much.
     
  4. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Agreed. Alive Godara has shown how strong he truly is. Either no clones or a single Kage Bunshin should be allowed for him, but I wouldn't restrict his Rin'negan or Mokuton. He has no Sage power on his own, no need to address that.

    Gai warrants a bump, especially if we allow 8th gate.

    Minato should have no RDS and Kamui needs restriction.

    No problem with C0 IMO, we have more than enough tanks who can take it or block or circumvent it.

    Sasuke and Naruto definitely needs a talk.
     
  5. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Retired Mod

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    Madara definitely needs to be nerfed--as faffles said, he proved himself to be hugely OP in the last UT.
     
  6. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    Madara was definitely an issue last time. No clones sounds appropriate. Bumping Gai up a tier sounds about right too. I think the cutoff for the last tournament was somewhere around ch600, so there's still a lot of material that has to be covered. I noticed a distinct lack of Tobi/Obito, and he's certainly a candidate for addition.
     
  7. Dr. Leonard Church away fighting dragons

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    Tobi needs a restriction stating he can't come back from the spirit world or whatever the FUCK that was. Other than that and the obvious restrictions (no Jinchuriki, limited phasing...), I think we can put him in no problem.
     
  8. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    Uchiha Madara's profile is completed. Please comment or make any further suggestions.

    • Banned the use of all clones.
    • Restricted use of Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki powers
    • Banned Rinbo: Hengoku

     
  9. Dr. Leonard Church away fighting dragons

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    Only asking how we're supposed to kill him. Blind, living Madara tanked multiple bijuu tails and only lost an arm. He's immune to ninjutsu (Preta), almost immune to taijutsu (feats + Susanoo), and probably doesn't care about non-epic genjutsu (Sharingan). um
     
  10. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    Kamui I guess. Soul Rip. Frog Song. I'm sure there are some ways. Outside of Susanoo, he doesn't have a whole lot going for him offensively. Fire techs could maybe trash low tiers but I don't think it'll stop other high tiers. You just have to gang bang him with good team work I guess.
     
  11. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Obito definitely needs restrictions on Kamui.

    Also, Naruto and Sasuke need restrictions - namely Sasuke's Rin'negan techs, Final Susano'o, Rikudo chakra, 9 Bijuu mode, Indra's bow and the final Rasengan used.

    Kakashi needs PS restricted as well, just in case.
     
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    Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi should just flat-out be restricted from any post-Rikudo powerup. Every single bit of it is borked as fuck.
     
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    Deidara solo's
     
  14. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    Naruto's profile is almost complete. Just a few things to clarify.

    • Should Ōdama Rasenshuriken (http://static.mangainn.me/mangas/314/114356/001_11_27_2013_05_42_11.jpg) be allowed?
    • Should Fūton: Chōōdama Rasenshuriken (http://static.mangainn.me/mangas/314/106355/016_06_12_2013_06_02_18.jpg) be allowed?
    • Should Naruto have access the other eight Bijū's chakra?

     
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  15. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Maybe.
    No.
    NO.

    Also restrict Fukasaku and Shima. He's already OP without access to the strongest genjutsu.

    I guess we should mention his genjutsu immunity with Kurama.
     
  16. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Madara shouldn't be allowed to mokuton meld.
     
  17. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Why not? There are more than enough nukes.

    But Naruto really shouldn't get Fukasaku and Shima.
     
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    I agree with limiting Fuka and Shima, Frog Song would be very hax with the rest of Naruto's arsenal.

    And if this just fine tuning the unrestricted Tier List, or are we adding in other ninja as well?

     
  19. Kinjishi <marquee loop="true"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/

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    Removed Ma and Pa. Still not sure what to do about the super rasenshurikens yet.

    Completed Nagato and Mū. Sasuke will be next.
     
  20. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    The first one looks way more potent and is Sage energy, while the second looks faster and just a little less potent, being composed of Kyuubi chakra. Both look super suspect IMO.

    I think Bjuudama should be banned, but if we're keeping that, I don't see why these would be banned.

    No way Naruto should get all Bjuu stuff. That'd make him way too versatile on top of SM/KCM/ and clone game. Is BM allowed for Kyuubi, cause that form of Naruto can physically deflect and outpace multiple Bjuudamas.
     
  21. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Yeah, we should probably restrict Bijuudamas (mini-BD can stay). And Oonoki's Jinton lightsaber.

    Also, perhaps we could allow Madara to copy techs.

    Are we going to touch Obito with a 10-foot long kunai or it's better if we don't bother with his hax?
     
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    Dude has Susano and mokuton can and deflect bijuudama tier nukes. Camping in mokuton and spamming forests is still haxx.
     
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    Zabuza level should be "Root Level."
     
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    I'm getting rid of the jinchūriki. They're all just overpriced Bijuudama nukes. None of them can even pair together at those prices, defeating the whole purpose of Rinnegan synergy. None of them will be able to pair with Tobi. And I looked at the last tournament, and no one picked any of them. It's better to take away their transformations and allow them to be support characters.
     
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    I agree with restricting the Jinton Beam, it will be too powerful, especially coupled with a person that can provide Onoki with chakra.

    If we are removing the Bijuudama spammers, then Onoki's Jinton Beam needs to be looked at.

    Are we allowing Manda II to be summoned by Kabuto? I mean, it doesn't have too many feats as far as durability goes, but the thing itself is the largest summoning in the manga and dwarfs the Bijuu. While it lacks a powerful offense, its size alone will be an issue to many. And are we granting it the same powers of Manda, such as skin shedding and burrowing underground? I would assume yes since it is a clone and thus has the attributes of the original, right?

    My next point is that I think Kabuto needs a bump up. Indefinite Sage Mode, body immune to damage, sensing, poison that stops any Mokuton users, boss sized summoning, access to a second body to perform techniques, knowledge on almost every character in the manga, plus Edo Tensei (granted it is hard to pull off, but nonetheless, if accomplished he is powerful), Kabuto is definitely a threat and a one man army. I don't know how testing in the past has gone, but he is quite powerful. As of now, his maximum pairing is him plus one of the 24 pointers, Darui, Chiyo, or Yamato. Similar to Madara and Naruto, his versatility is too high.
    So my question is, how has testing for Kabuto gone before? Is he too powerful? Or right where he is? Lower?

    Next, Sakura needs to be moved up. Adding in Katsuya, she is a mini Tsunade, so she should be at least 12 points, upward to 20. She has everything Tsunade has, except different showings (one could argue better speed as she hit Kaguya, Shin Uchiha, Juubi clones, etc.). My other question is about her seal. Does she have three years worth of chakra stored into her seal, or is it less than that? Because if she has three years of chakra stored up, her chakra is one of the highest on the chart, something which should further bump her up.

    Are we keeping the restriction on Konan to only how many paper tags she originally showed? What about granting her access to the full amount that she showed in the Paper Ocean? I mean, she had to prep paper ocean for several weeks, so she isn't pulling out that technique in a match, but I see no harm in giving her more exploding tags, especially in an unrestricted.

    Next, what is the stipulation for Ginkaku/Kinkaku going Version 2 mode? Are they able to freely access it or is it something that only happens once one of them dies?

    Also, I agree with moving down the Jinchuriki, allow them to be support, with access only to Version 2 and smaller Bijuudamas.

    Finally, I would like to once again propose adding in Shin Uchiha. If we aren't at that stage yet then I apologize, but I do want him adding in here, as a lower tiered MS user and space time warper. I have a bio for him in my blogs which you can use, by all means.
     
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    Keep roshi, limit Bjuu Modo. He's a solid addition. Ban Rinnengan, or access to teammate Obito if you don't want that with him. But overall good business move.
     
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    also 16 point Kitsuchi is not on the list and he's a major doton piece Imo.
     
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    Sorry, I had the flu and couldn't get much work done. Sasuke should be just about completed.

    ? Should we ban all humanoid (http://static.mangainn.me/mangas/314/111636/006_09_27_2013_16_51_27.png) versions (http://static.mangainn.me/mangas/314/86505/12_05_30_2012_05_14_21.jpg) of Susanoo (Sasuke & Madara)?

     
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    I hope you're feeling better, Kin!

    Yes, we should ban the humanoid Susano'o forms.
     

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