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TT3 R1 M5: Zeref vs The Pirate on Wheels

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  1. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Magnolia Stadium presents
    Trial Tournament 3

    For a list of rules and character abilities/restrictions, please refer to the Guide (http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=872462) and Tier List (http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=884935).


    ROUND 1 - MATCH 5


    Zeref

    Lyon [42]
    Wendy [30]
    Duke Everlue [8]

    vs

    The Pirate on Wheels

    Erza [60]
    Fukurou [20]



    Location: Cait Shelter (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-42764-4/fairy-tail/chapter-164.html)
    Distance: Long

    Spoiler:

    Short: The teams start at an appropriate distance facing each other at opposite sides of the location.
    Line of Sight: YES
     
  2. Juvia. Meow.

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    So soon? :cry.

    Strat should be up later.
     
  3. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    Advantage to Zeref because of the synergy in his team and all the options, though we'll see.
     
  4. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Considering it's long distance, the advantage definitely goes to Zeref, imo, but only if he plays his cards right.
     
  5. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Strategy:

    Spoiler:
    Erza Soloes with a Jetpack

    Birdman gives Erza her jetpack, doubling her cool factor and giving her rockets.

    Erza soloes with it.

    Erza flies around soloing people with her various armors and abilities, raining swords, and shooting various named beam attacks. As she approaches, she can use the throwing things armor to throw weapons at them along the way. If they go indoors she will nuke the building by being Erza at it, or with a harpoon torpedo. She can also equip her speediest armors to go mega fast but also with a jetpack to speed blitz everybodies respective faces off. So imagine this (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-317-page-11.html) but with a jetpack.

    It winged sage falcos can eat a dude like Wendy who isn't a dude without getting caught up in the wow death Erza is wreaking, he'll probably do it. I can't remember if he gets their powers when he eats them, but if he does he'll buff Erza so she's even better, or just use new powers to assist Erza but she doesn't need it because she soloes just fine without him and I only care about his jetback and maybe his power to make fire shoot out the back of it to make it zoom.

    Erza soloes with a jetpack.


    Good luck Zeref.
     
  6. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    i like your style, pirateman, i like your style
     
  7. Juvia. Meow.

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    Knowledge

    Spoiler:
    All on Erza but non on Fukurou.

    My team goes over Erza's abilities with one another to be ready.


    Strategy

    Spoiler:
    Step one: Hide and go seek.

    To start with Lyon creates a dome of ice over my team and then puts in hundreds of shattering cracks to take away any possible visibility the opponents team has of mine, after this Lyon will create 3 Ice clones of my team and keeps them their, why Lyon dose that Duke will create a hole which my team jumps down, duke then covers the hole if he can, my team should now be hidden completely and hopefully the enemy team will not know that they have gone underground.

    Step two: Readying for the assault.

    After my team is completely hidden Duke will then summon Virgo who will then transform into a slightly less large version of her self, (MUCH LESS LOL!!!) after that Wendy will give her a speed boost, Virgo will go up and create holes all over the battlefield while keeping an eye out for the enemy team, note each time her head is popping up in a different location while keeping duke and the rest of my team up to date on their locations and where the enemy team is.

    Step three: Making sure the enemy is on the ground.

    If Virgo comes back telling my team that Erza and OR Fukurou are in the air then Wendy will give the attack and speed boost to Lyon, Lyon will then go with Virgo to one of the many holes that she has already created, Lyon will then attack the enemy team with Ice-Make: Eagle (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Ice_Make:_Eagle), after the attack he will then go back down as fast as possible with Virgo, he will then do it again if the enemy is still in the air, if the enemy team plays it stupid and stays in the air still after multiple attack they will after awhile lose to the mere attack of Ice Make: Eagle.

    Once both the enemy's are on the ground (Or the one that was in the air is already dead.) unless they were already, Wendy then gives Lyon all boosts as well as her self, she also gives the speed boost to Duke and if Lyon is tired from killing an enemy member in the air Wendy buffs up his stamina a little as well but not if she is more tired than he is.

    Step four: Taking out the enemy.

    Lyon will create 2 Ice clones of him self and Wendy and sends them with Virgo to the top close to where Erza is, while this happens the real Lyon will go up with Duke, after the fakes are on the top Erza should be attacking them, the real Lyon will then pop up 2 seconds after the fakes and then Lyon will use Ice-Make: Diamond Cage (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Ice-Make:_Diamond_Cage) on the enemy Fukurou thus taking him out of action for a while, Lyon and Duke then go back under.

    After Fukurou is out of the way then target is Erza, Lyon and Wendy will now come close to two different exit holes and then Lyon creates two more ice clones and sends them with Duke, Duke then pops up under Erza saying surprise, at this time Lyon and Wendy will also both pop up, Lyon will activate Ice-Make: Water Serpent (http://Ice-Make: Water Serpent) (probably the strongest attack he has shown thus far in the manga.) and at the same time Wendy quickly creates the barrier and attacks Erza with Shattering Light: Sky Drill (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Shattering_Light:_Sky_Drill), if Erza is still alive after the duo attack Lyo and Wendy then both go onto attack her with other strong moves like Sky Dragon's Roar (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Sky_Dragon%27s_Roar) and Ice Make: Snow Dragon (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Ice_Make:_Snow_Dragon) until Erza is down.
     
  8. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    So why are both strategies spoilerd?
     
  9. Juvia. Meow.

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    It took me awhile to make mine, i started it before his was up.
     
  10. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    Pirates Strategy:

    So we got the Bird Dude give his jetpack (if possible) to Erza, then Erza will whoop Zeref's team asses with various attacks and abilities and a lot of named beams, also the throwing armor of the shit, if Zeref's team is hiding she will bombard dat shit, after dat the mother fucking Erza will go all speed armor BUT WITH THE FUCKING JETPACK! and will blow the building and shit!. The Bird Dude will eat Wendy and will buff Erza FOR EVEN MORE SPEED AND POWAH!

    Zeref's strategy:

    Lyon creates an Ice Dome around his team and covers any LoS there is, after that he will create clones of his team, when that is done Duke will create a hole with Virgo and will cover it up, at this point his whole team is hidden in the ground.

    Virgo will shrink in size and Wendy will buff her, with her speed she will create countless holes all over the battlefield and will only pop out her head to see where Pirates team is, when she spots them she will rush back to Lyon who will be buffed by Wendy and will go with Virgo to one of the holes and use Ice Make: Eagles on Fukuro and Erza if they are in the air, after his initial attack is done he will hurry back down the hole and do the same attack again, if Erza or Fukuro are in the air STILL they will die from the eagles, after that if Erza or Fukuro are on the ground (and if one of them died in the air) Wendy will boost the whole team, and if Lyon is tired she will boost his stamina.

    Lyon will create 2 clones of himself and Wendy and will send them with Virgo to the top acting as a decoy, then he will with Duke go behind the enemy team and will pop out and use Ice Make: Diamond Cage on Fukuro thus trapping him, after that Lyon and Wendy will go to different holes. Lyon will create 2 more clones and send them with Duke who will pop up above Erza yelling "Surprise", while Erza is occupied with the clones Lyon will pop from the hole and use Ice Make: Water Serpent and Wendy will use her Sky Drill. If Erza survived Lyon will use Ice Make: Snow Dragon and Wendy will roar Erza to the death.

    Conclusion:

    Pirates strategy is much more exciting to read, but lacks any What Ifs? and is basically a rambo strategy, Fukuro will be left flyless (assuming he only has 1 jetpack if not then forget about it) which will slow him down, the clones will trick the rampaging Erza who will get hit by the eagles that she doesn't expect. Fukuro will get trapped in the cage (Fukuro did nothing except go after Wendy) and then they will burst Erza down.
    All in all Zeref's strategy is much more creative and useful in the long distance, If this was short my vote would go to Pirate. Note: Since I missread a bit Pirates strategy I'll put the details here, even if Erza rampages the swords and beams to the ground it will be easier for Virgo to notice her, since this is a long distance they won't get hit, and even if they do get hit ur still hitting the clones.

    Vote: Zeref
     
  11. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Erza soloes with a jetpack.

    Anything that pops out of a hole will eat swords and beams in an instant. Erza can probably target all of the holes at once as soon as she feels like winning at whackamole, and we have a bird's eye view of Virgo drilling out the top for each new one.

    Which probably also ends with her mega throwing a moon breaking harpoon torpedo spear at the hole as you duck back in, craterizing the area and Virgo/Ice dude, and whoever else.

    Locking yourself in a barrier with Erza is a fine way to help her solo. Though she can also fly out the eye of the tornado if she needed except she doesn't because any eagles and dragons get sliced into snowcones so my team can enjoy a cool and refreshing dessert after she soloes everyone with her jetpack.

    She might also add Virgo's maid outfit to her wardrobe IC, but I think she might already have one so I'm not 100% sure she needs to.
     
  12. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    @Atlus

    I was going to add a what if, but it was just going to be.
    What if: Erza soloes.

    My strategy was already running long.

    Besides that, Erza is one of the smartest characters with the largest skillsets and best reaction times in the manga, with a godly re-quip speed. She knows which armor to use on a changing battlefield better than I do, so I left them all open to her. Looking up knowledge is also a pain, but she's on Grey's team so she should know all about ice make. Aside from that, I don't think I should need to specify that underground targets need x orders, dudes in a house need x orders, dudes in a cave need x orders....they're all pretty much covered by "dudes hiding in X" orders, and it's not like she'll do nothing while the enemy hides from me.

    I also highly doubt any eagles can pierce her defences, or catch her while she's moving without a jetpack, let alone with. I also didn't really ask Bird-o to go after Wendy, it was just, "If she's there being an open target that Erza hasn't soloed yet."

    Thanks you for voting voting voter sir.
     
  13. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    We'll see, I'll stick with my decision still, Erza may have a good reaction but you never stated her to use any defensive armor, so a buffed up Lyon can and will hurt her. That's why you need a What if.
     
  14. Juvia. Meow.

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    If Erza is attacking every hole 24/7 she will be out of energy pretty quickly, after that my team easily finish up.
     
  15. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    And also, you need to specify which armor she's using, what you did there also puts you on a disadvantage.
     
  16. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    you're talking about the woman who summoned 10.000 swords ?fter battling Evergreen and Laxus.
     
  17. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    that was 200 swords not 10.000 lol.
     
  18. Juvia. Meow.

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    10,000???

    Wtf? :oh
     
  19. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Yeah, I would think continuous ice clones and dragons would be a lot more taxing than a few dozen sword at your location.

    These armors. (http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=46759837&postcount=85)

    We have an IC rule (I think I didn't look at the rules but you should) so that I we don't have to have to type out a bajillion pages.

    Be charitable. She'll uses defensive armors to defend, fast armors to be fast, power armors for power attacks, and the giant armor to throw things, and the this one (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-14-page-11.html) to scatter shot a lot because she loves it. You guys all read FT, so I thought it would be cool to let Erza be Erza. She isn't one of those characters that forgets or under-utilizes her powers like some others might.
     
  20. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    Yea but you never stated that she will use a defensive armor, which Is the problem.
     
  21. Atlantic Storm Booze Intermission Administrator

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    The Honko on Wheels has a top tier strategy.

    I vote for him.
     
  22. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    i might have overestimated a little :whistle

    anyway, i might vote later, only after i have put up the strat in my own match though.

    for now i am leaning towards mr pirate man. i am buying the jetpack shit, as the jetpack isn't attached to solely his body as seen here (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7203-12/fairy-tail/chapter-88.html)

    not to mention that zeref's team doesn't know shit about fukuro and that he can fly. so they don't know that now erza can fly either.

    some decent rebuttals might change my mind, but they need to be very decent

    besides, like the pirate has pointed out, why would erza run out of stamina before lyon, when he's spamming his strongest attacks as well?
     
  23. Juvia. Meow.

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    I know it's a joke vote but anyways.

    Voided :p.

    Lyon is not spamming his strongest attacks and are you forgetting i have Wendy? you know a mage that can refresh my stamina?

    Erza is flying over shooting at like 50 holes constantly all my team has to do is wait it out and after time she will run out of stamina from the constant barrage.

    I state that Virgo is popping up all the time to make holes, if she goes my Lyon popping up all the time will not happen and my team will then have to wait till Erza lands on the ground to begin part 4 of my strat and from what i see the only reason she will land is is when she is out of energy.

    Also my team dose know Erza can fly, Erza has her own flying armor and Wendy knows about it if you have forgotten.
     
  24. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Erza has no flying armor
     
  25. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    Can't her first introduced armor fly? Forgot it's name.
     
  26. Juvia. Meow.

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    http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Wing_Armor
     
  27. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    She's shooting the holes you're popping in and out of. They're a good chance she kills you as you're ducking in and out, because you are the fish and the hole is your barrel and Erza has Poseidon (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-205-page-2.html) armor plus spear (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-45-page-7.html) for fishing.

    A spear that can pierce the heavens (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-45-page-10.html). And a jetpack.

    If Virgo dies then I blow up your entrances and rattle you caves all die from being trapped underground and cave inned. Enjoy your last night sleeping in the Cave Inn! Wahaha.
     
  28. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    just like heaven's wheel armor, that armor had the ability to fly in the anime, but in the manga there was never such a thing as flight
     
  29. Juvia. Meow.

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    So what Erza is watching 50 holes all at once and the half a second that Virgo pops out of one of them Erza is going to spot her then summon a blade then shoot it at her with accuracy from 50 feet in the air and hit her before she goes back underground? yea i don't think so.





    Erza is clearly flying with the armor there.
     
  30. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    I'm with Zeref on that, as hax as Erza is her accuracy isn't that great, and Virgo is fast anyway and she's buffed by Wendy.
     
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    Clearly? No. It more seems like a boosted jump. I don't see her twistin' and tumblin' like she does in Mr. Pirate's strat.
     
  32. Juvia. Meow.

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    She cuts him and then fly's away with her legs pretty much as high as her head, what Natsu is doing is a jump and you can see the difference.
     
  33. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    It seems like floating over flying than me. She jumped, using her boosted jump, and then floated onwards with her wings. She can't fly like she would be able to with Fukuro's jetpack.

    Anyway, the knowledge issue wouldn't change my stance much. I will revise everything after putting up my own strat.
     
  34. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Does Zeref's team even have knowledge on those particular feats for that particular armor anyway?
     
  35. Juvia. Meow.

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    Erza has used that armor loads of times in front of Wendy, she should have easily picked up on it.

    Fairy Tail mages seem to know everything about one another.
     
  36. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    Yea they do know everything about one another, even Lecy magically had a book on Nakagami armor.
     
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    Eh, I'm leaning slightly towards POW atm. And thats no fault to Zeref's strategy.

    I don't see the Lyon mole strategy being that effective against a jetpack boosted flying Erza. From what we saw in Lyon's fight against racer, his eagles probably has the speed to hit a flying fukuro. But Erza's a different story. She wouldn't have any problem slicing right through them.

    At the same point, she's not going to have an easy time hitting Lyon when he can just drop down the hole.
    Though (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-317-page-11.html) armors (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-235-page-8.html) like these (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-205-page-5.html) might suffice.
     
  38. Juvia. Meow.

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    One thing

    For all we know Fukurou's Jetpack is ran by his magic, in fact the chances are that it is, in a time that dose not even have TV or plains having a nonmagical Jetpack seems unlikely, there is no proof he can just give it to Erza let alone her using it as well as he can.

    It's like saying Lucy gives a key over the Natsu so he can summon a spirit.

    Also with out that part of his strat mine pretty much works out 100% if you don't think Erza her self can fly.
     
  39. Sartharion The Onyx Guardian

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    It actually is. It's called "Jet Magic".
     
  40. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    It worked when strapped to Natsu. (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7203-14/fairy-tail/chapter-88.html) And they called him....rocket man.

    [YOUTUBE]DvQwXOCKNLY[/YOUTUBE]

    I literally created this team to give Erza a jetpack.

    Do you think I wouldn't check to make for sure she can actually use the jetpack?

    Probably. However I did!
     
  41. Juvia. Meow.

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    Yes he put it on Natsu, he also used it as a torpedo so we know he dose not have to be attached to it to use it in that way, but once Erza gets it she zooms of uncontrollably and when it's out of charge that he gives it she will land face first in the dirt, if Natsu could have controlled it it would not have zoomed of in the first place so obviously just by having it on your back dose not give you control.
     
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    I'm cutting out the strategy thing I usually post because the wall of text gave me a headache to look at so I'll go straight to my view.

    --

    I think both strategies start off without issue. Erza rushes forward and breaks the Ice Dome and Clones and figures out they are underground. Virgo will start making her holes and Erza will try to close them up and kill her. Virgo will inform Zeref's team of Erza being on a jetpack and she'll starting bringing up Lyon for Eagle attacks. The problem here is I see no reason for Eagle to force Erza to land or kill her. If Erza doesn't manage to hit Lyon or Virgo then I assume at some point the next phase of Zeref's strategy will take effect, where two clones come up and Lyon and Everlue freeze Fukuro, who wasn't doing much to start with. This is where trouble arises.

    I'm not sure if the Jetpack can function without Fukuro. Can the Jetpack detach from Fukuro and be used on someone else? Yes, it happened to Natsu. Can the Jetpack be controlled by the new person or is it reliant on remote/magical control from Fukuro? That's my question. I don't really see how Fukuro is operating the Jetpack while he's flying with it, which means he could be controlling it with his magic. Which means Erza is reliant on Fukuro, and if Fukuro is frozen/incapacitated, then the Jetpack is lost for Erza and she's grounded.

    When Fukuro launches Missile Ho-Ho-Hou at Natsu, it flies right by him. Then Fukuro is shown moving his arms (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7203-13/fairy-tail/chapter-88.html) and the Jetpack reacts accordingly, catching Natsu from behind. This is the only form of control I can see.

    So Erza is now grounded, and two more clones, as well as Everlue come up to surprise Erza while the real Lyon and Wendy pop up elsewhere nearby. Erza kills Everlue and breaks the clones, but Water Serpent probably gets her from behind. Erza will probably be caught in Wendy's Sky Drill. Lyon and Wendy team up with Roar/Snow Dragon and other attacks to eventually down Erza.

    Vote: Zeref

    My original vote was going to be for Pirate, but I hesitated and kept reading responses. And once the question on the Jetpack arose I went around and looked at as many instances of it being used as I could to figure out how it works...but there's not much there. The only thing I could find was the above Missile Ho-Ho-Hou thing I linked, and that makes it Fukuro-reliant. The other issue I had was Pirate not specifying...well...anything.

    I assume when Erza is "nuking" that puts her in Morning Star Armor using Photon Slicer, since that's the only "beam" attack I can find for Erza. Heaven's Wheel is for "raining swords" and Giant's Armor is for throwing things like the Evil Crushing Spear. Flight Armor would be the only other armor I see used here since it's mentioned, though I don't know how well it would combine with the Jetpack, or if it would be of much use with Zeref's team underground for most of the fight.

    For the majority of the fight I see Erza in Morning Star Armor, using Photon Slicer to blast the holes Virgo is digging, maybe changing to Flight Armor to try and intercept Virgo and Lyon. But once Everlue and the clones appear I see her still being in Morning Star, where Lyon and Wendy try to catch her from behind. Erza would probably survive regardless of what armor she's in. Then she either swaps to Flight to try and dodge or Heaven's Wheel to attack. I don't know which one. But it probably doesn't matter either since Lyon and Wendy have the speed boosts and the jump on her.

    There are just too many variables in Pirate's strategy for me to feel comfortable voting for him.
     
  43. Juvia. Meow.

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    Well i think the proof Azeruth posted means that Erza cannot control the Jetpack just like i thought :).

    Thx for clearing that up and thx for voting for the right team in the match.
     
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    Fairy Tail does not have a complicated system. It's magic. True magic, and magically delicious.

    His jetpack is just a magical item like the magical dune buggy car thing Erza hooked herself up to in that chapter. (you all know which one) When you put magic in it it makes rocket thrusters, just like the car makes vroom noises and goes places. The tools always convert magic.

    What'sherfaces speed reading glasses can be used by anyone. You don't need a special glasses magic to read from them. The item does it for you. Harvey Birdman's real magic is pelican gobling, and the jetpack is his tool. A total TOOL.

    However thank you for voting. I promise my rep message won't say TOOL.
     
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    The fact remains he was the one controlling it when Natsu got on the Jetpack and not Natsu, there for it can't possibly be just a normal magical tool like you are suggesting.
     
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    Natsu had motion sickness and turned into a jelly man. He's never piloting anything ever in life. He proves nothiiing.


    You make rocketeering sound like rocket science. You tilt left and tilt right. Even Kirby can do it!



    Erza and instantly knows how to use all the armors and weapons she gets. Just like Kirby! :O So she can tilt left and tilt right to steer.
     
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    Yes Natsu was suffering from motion sickness so if Fukurou was not controlling it then it would have just went down and crashed, instead it flew around in circles and even reacted to Fukurou's hand movements making it attach onto Natsu's cloves.
     
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    Good thing Erza doesn't have motion sickness then, so she doesn't need him to TILT IT SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT to avoid crashing.

    But does anyone even think Owliscious is going to die with Erza there to protect him? Anyone who goes for him is Erza bait, and she's not just going to let him stand next to all the holes the bad guys are coming from.

    She can give him a lift, or he can sit of a roof. Ice birds aren't going to get him when he can shoot laser beams from his hands (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7200-18/fairy-tail/chapter-85.html) to defend himself.
     
  49. Juvia. Meow.

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    Lol missed the rest of my post out i see :lmao.
     
  50. The Pirate on Wheels The Missing Link

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    Uhm. I think that's a little critical. I didn't tell Erza to block or to defend against attacks, but I shouldn't have to tell her to defend herself from attacks.

    If super high mobility is failing for some reason, because, say, she's trapped in a cyclone, the obvious thing to do change armors to something defensive

    Look here. (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-180-page-10.html)

    She gets in a situation where the opponent is too fast for her, so she immediately switches to a speedy armor.

    She cycled all kinds during the fight with tree guy, and since ice is a form of water, her sea empress armor should offer great defence if she's up close with Ice Make man. (It nullified Juvia's S rank water magic)

    Even if she's hit dead on, in skimpy speed armor, she won't go down from that.

    Treebeard hit her in the leopard print armor (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-236-page-11.html) with a giant explosion (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-236-page-12.html), and she shrugged it off. (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-236-page-13.html)

    That was after he hit her with attacks strong enough to wreck her fairy and purgatory armors. (which I think are banned for being OP I guess?)
     
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