Discussion in 'Konoha Library' started by steve001, Sep 18, 2011.
itachi. he reached god tire without EMS unlike sauske and madara
It's Sasuke's closely followed by Itachi.
Depends on how you measure power. In terms of using what power you do have to its fullest potential over even greater power, no one will ever surpass Itachi. In terms of just the raw power of a given sharingan, then probably Sasuke, at least until Madara is restored or his other abilities if any are revealed.
We've yet to see the full extent of Madara's abilities, and we will never know what his other eye did, assuming the EMS's powers are also specific to a given eye. After being brought back, Itachi displayed a new ability with Susanoo, so it's also safe to say we have yet to even see the full extent of Itachi's abilities with his sharingan.
Only sasuke will reach God tier.
If Shisui was included he'd be on the top of the skill list. Dunno so much about power though.
Shisui's power lies on Genjutsu and presumably speed, other than that there isn't much to even imply Shisui is all that powerful. He was mortally wounded by Danzo after all. Being very powerful in only one area doesn't really make for a powerful person overall.
It's hard to say because it probably will be Sasuke's but they are Itachi's eyes to begin with
True but having Itachi's power and Itachi's skill are two different things, Sasuke pretty much displayed his lack of control and reserve in the heat of battle during the Kage summit.
1. King Sasuke (EMS)
Uchiha Clan Ancestor
I wouldn't include Obito in that list, he died literally moments after awakening his sharingan so there is no way to ever know what his powers were, and we don't know if his abilities would be the same as Kakashi's.
They're all very skilled with the sharingan. But I'm going to put Madara at the top given the hype Itachi gave him. Plus this is the vinal villain we're talking about, he's bound to be the strongest sharingan user.
We've never seen Madara use his sharingan for anything other than his s/t jutsu how can we place him? Itachi is a badass b/c he smarter than everyone else even without sharingan he could still beat most nin with his iq alone. Finally we hav yet to see Sasuke use his EMS for anything other than killing white Zetsu. A feat even the most fodder of nin are capable of.
If the EMS works the same as the MS in terms of having powers assigned to the eyes, then it's possible Madara now only has a third of his former sharingan abilities, losing the Left eye ability and the ability of both eyes, if it works the same as the other MS. Madara's power now lies as far as we know in him having the Rinnegan also. Granted his Space-Time Migration is an extremely versatile technique though.
Sharingan skill (featwise):
Madara (his hype could put him above Itachi though)
Danzou did what?
Shisui has the strongest Sharingan jutsu in the manga
its so powerful it takes 10 years to recharge
Danzo plucked his eye out.
Sasuke has the EMS so he's the strongest sharingan user.
where does it say Shisui resisted Danzou?
he gave one eye to Danzou and the other eye to Danzou's double agent
It was implied it was stolen by Danzo. Ao said he had stolen shisui's eye and again when itachi said, Danzo had "taken" his eye.
taken doesnt imply a fight happened
Shisui could have submitted to Danzou's request because it was an order from a superior
both eyes ended up in the hands of the side Shisui was supporting
I would think that a man who's been running around with sharingan for a 100 years or so would hands down be the most skilled don't you?
His base Sharingan alone can completely make Kyubi submit to his whim. Nobody else can do that. Even Sasuke could only surpress a caged Kyuubi at best.
Also tell me who knows more about the sharingan and its secrets than he does?
you could be right, I was just throwing it out there. We're both speculating in the end.
Plain and simple Madara is the pinnace of Sharingan knowledge and in the long run and big picture, power and skill as well, otherwise he would have never even allowed Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes.
The most powerful Sharingan who is?
Itachi, say one would.
Kakashi who can warp attacks and heads away in an instant
^ He's never been seen decapitating someone with Kamui, and his Kamui has limits.
Sharingan eye power?
Everyone's saying the same thing as far as power, it really depends how you define power. I highly doubt Madara would have given Sasuke Itachi's eyes if he couldn't take him out at any time he chooses.
Madara will not be the most powerful sharingan user, as his eyes will not be strictly a sharingan..........
Madara no longer represents the power of an Uchiha, no more than Rikudo represents the power of a Rinnegan....................
Sasuke will have the most powerful sharingan in history, as it was implied by several variables. From having dojutsu potential that surpasses Itachi, too having chakara similar to that of a certain Madara.
Kishi has clearly set up Sasuke to represent the power of A PURE, 100% HOME GROWN, no senju/Rikudo BS augmenting his power, Uchiha. Thus is why he is allowed to debut the showcasing of the EMS, as Itachi was given the honor of with the MS.
As far as this skill nonsense is concerned it is nonsense, as all have skill with their dojutsu. They wouldn't have got as far as they did with their sharingan without skills.
You may prefer a certain shinobi's style to another, but please oh please do not confuse preference with skill.
^ Madara was the first person to ever achieve the mangekyou and the EMS, and has had decades to hone it. Rinnegan or not he was superior with sharingan than Sasuke could ever hope to be, that may not still be true, but when he still had two eyes, and especially in his prime, he put current Sasuke to shame.
Also rikudou is the originator of the rinnegan so he does in fact represent it, just because he is the ancestor of both bloodlines doesn't take away form that fact.
sasuke/madara with power,
skill with itachi
but itachi isn't just skilled with the sharingan, but with overall every aspect...so it's kinda difficult to decide
he's using the full potential of sharingan genjutsu during battle, start of battle: he sometimes ends the battle that hasn't even started, sometimes uses it during the battle etc...so skilled that he's made his own dimension via tsukuyomi...
ninjutsu wise, he's got amaterasu...well i guess sasuke's better here
he's got susano, that has the greatest/complete form that we know of.
so skillwise i'd give it to itachi,
but sasuke was known to have potential that surpasses itachi so sasuke goes with the power
madara through hype + comparison takes the power along with sasuke
The manga stated more than once that Sasuke has a more powerful Doujutsu than his brother so I won't even talk about Itachi let alone now with EMS.
Madara was the epitome of Uchiha and Kyuubi linked him to Sasuke so seems these two are the most powerful Uchihas ever however for plot reasons I believe Sasuke will end with a better Doujutsu than Madara.
We never saw prime Madara neither Sasuke's current power so how can you compare?
^ The only reason Sasuke is superior to itachi aside from Blaze Release is because he has larger chakra reserves, doesn't really change that Itachi was far more proficient in its use.
Lol, "god" tier, I love fans and their made up ranks and I laugh a little inside when someone uses the word "tier".
I'm gonna say Madara.
You are absolutely right, however Sasuke will be the first to show case the eye which is essentially my argument.
Madara being first to possess the eye doesn't tell us squat on it's abilities, now does it??????????
Your assessment cannot be an accurate one, as again you have little to no knowledge on EMS/Prime Madara and or EMS Sasuke.
His status and power as god did not come from the Rinnegan. All his abilities did not come from the Rinnegan. The power of creation did not come from the Rinnegan...............
Again a person can only truly be the representation of a tool, if the only tool they are using is that tool...................
Thus is why Sasuke was stripped of any other power not tied to his heritage, thus is why hebi Sasuke has been replaced with Taka Sasuke.
You are making the assumption that yin and yang manipulation is unrelated to the rinnegan. Prime Madara went head to head with Hashirama on a regular basis and controlled the nine-tails, that gives us quite a glimpse. And being the first does tell us something, he had decades of experience with it, Sasuke has had all of what a few hours? It is still the first day of "war" after all.
Orochimaru and Madara explicit said Sasuke's Doujutsu > Itachi's Doujutsu and even Itachi himself implied his brother has more potencial.
It's not my opinion but manga states.
Again that is the primary reason why, itachi did not have the physical capability to use the Sharingan to the extent Sasuke did, Sasuke does not have the same self-control and restraint Itachi had, he spams the powers of the Sharingan, that was shown after he nearly went blind in the course of like a day or two of fighting.
You are making the assumption that it is. The sage's ability [Banbutsu Sozo] that was birthed from the Yin-Yang release, wasn't described as originating from his eyes. It's a separate kekkei genkai.
The events didn't make it sound liek "Decades" to me.
That's not what the reasoning implied.
That had far more to do with the people he was fighting, and it was implied that Sasuke went blind because of his use of Susanoo.
He was clearly shown to be of a young age when he gained the Mangekyou, aside from the fact that he had EMS when Hashirama was still alive.
And you are also assuming that Banbutsu Sozo is not related to the Rinnegan it never says it isn't and it certainly never even hints that it is a kekkei genkai.
This page doesn't implicate it is a Rinnegan power. In fact it specifically states it was the power of combining the senju and power...........
The fact that Nagato was never hinted to have it implicates it is not a power of a Rinnegan.......................
We have his feats, and even some hype but that still doesn't compare their power respectively. EMS Sasuke will too have his own hype, his own escapade of feats and most importantly IT WILL BE DONE ON PANEL.
Being the first doesn't give us anything about the power of the EMS specifically which has been my argument from the get go.
Currently Madara is still the most powerful Uchiha in history, and wielded the most powerful sharingan in history, but clearly Kishi has set Sasuke up to be a V2 Madara...............
Sasuke's sharingan is the strongest. It was compared to Madara's, which says a lot about Madara, but Sasuke is a main character. He's gonna surpass him.
And lol at anyone mentioning Itachi's sharingan.
He has set up Sasuke in such a way my point is he can only take that claim because Madara has gone past being only an Uchiha. And of course Nagato didn't have all of the power as the Sage, but the jutsu he used to revive everyone is classified as Yin-Yang Release. And there was no such thing as Senju when the Sage was alive, his bloodline deviated into the Senju.
Shisui or Itachi
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