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The Living Tribunal vs. Parallax and Ion

Discussion in 'Comics Battledome' started by Zaelapolopollo, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. Zaelapolopollo Master of the Fates of Arda

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    Just to clarify that neither of these two are on his level...or even remotely close.

    How many seconds does it take for LT to destroy them both? Will it even be one full second?

    Universal powers are nothing to a guy who judges all the omniverse and exists in all multiverses...

    I don't see either of them above Multi-Eternity, let alone Abraxas or LT. (It goes LT > Abraxas > M-E)
     
  2. Vynjira

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    So you admit you've already made a decision that cannot be altered and attempt to prove an unrelated argument true thru a loaded debate.
    Spoiler: 13. Argument from belief
    This is when someone states that they personally believe something to be true, without providing any actual evidence.
    You state what you believe to be true as it should be assumed to be true, without any actual evidence.
    Spoiler: 49. Genetic fallacy
    This is when someone evaluates the merit of an argument based on its origin, or where it comes from, instead of the actual logic and evidence it contains. or
    Spoiler: 34. Poisoning the well
    This is similar to ad hominem, except it is directed against other observers instead of your opponent. You say that there is something objectionable about a person, therefore people shouldn't listen to their arguments.
    Attacking the source of the argument as opposed to dealing with the arguments themselves.

    Instead of continuing what is prolly a worthless citation of fallacies in the arguments, I'll finish with this. The argument in the other thread is Galactus VS Ion VS Superman Prime.

    Your argument basis the relationship in terms of people they've faced over the difference in abilities of the powers between the presented characters.

    For example: Galactus > Ion because an Aspect of Galactus > Abraxas who is > Ion because Abraxas > A-M and A-M > Spectre who is > Ion. Which TRUE or NOT doesn't change the fact Ion has abilities that allow him to beat Galactus or Abraxas. In addition the logic behind the argument bases the outcome over the circumstances. Which is another invalid argument.

    Either way this should be locked.
     
  3. Rice Ball Active Member

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    Ion is nothing compaired to the LT.

    Hes also likely below an mbody
     
  4. omg laser pew pew! is feeling greedy

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    We know like absolutely nothing of the power of the original LT

    Pretty much everything we've seen is a M-Body
     
  5. Zaelapolopollo Master of the Fates of Arda

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    Fan speculation = not canon.
    It's LT with no limits, unless said otherwise.
     
  6. Fundamental physicist

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    M-body of the Living Tribunal = Fan speculation.
    Eternity, Oblivion, Chaos, Order, Galactus and Infinity had M-bodies--that was shown, but the Living Tribunal that's just fan speculation.

    Spoiler: Living Tribunal guards all Multiverses
    X


    Spoiler: There's only one Living Tribunal
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    Full potential Genesis-Vell would be Pre-crisis Ion's level.
    In fact he blinked out time and space itself, then remade it as easiley.
     
  7. Rice Ball Active Member

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    LT's mbody was explained in a Quasar comic.
    Useless scans as we know theres only 1 LT, but we also know theres 1 mbody in each universe.
     
  8. Zaelapolopollo Master of the Fates of Arda

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    It clearly says he exists in all multiverses simultaneously. He would not need an M-BODY for a multiverse, let alone a universe.

    Abraxas, for instance, needed no M-BODY. And I highly doubt LT needs one, either.
     
  9. ZergKage The OBD's Fire Keeper

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    Meh, this is what i try and tell people when i try to explain the LT that attacked Thanos in Marvel: The End was the real LT because there is only 1 LT but people insist that its an M-body. I then ask if it was a M-body and the real LT thought Thanos shouldnt have had the powers he did, why didnt the real LT show up and strip him of that power. Well i think its because he beat the real and only LT like he did everyone else. Thus proving Thanos had the ultimate power. But thats getting off topic, i'll just say there is only 1 LT no matter where you see him, eXiles, What if's, Alternate verses all have the same LT we do.
     
  10. Fundamental physicist

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    The manifastation bodies were only of universal beings as those I mentioned, it was never shown or stated that the Living Tribunal had one.
    It exists in all Multiverses at the same time, omnipresence. It is a abstract, it cannot be seen, heard, tased, feeltor smelled, it's like a spirit, a spirir of everything, everything is a part of him.
    Ion and Parallax would be badly squatted.
     
  11. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    Again, I wouldn't trust the recent Handbook entries. Errors and contradictions abound. I rather see on-panel evidence rather than a Handbook entry.

    Or it could be an M-Body in every universe.

    Was Abraxas an abstract and conceptual being?

    Living Tribunal is an abstract and conceptual being.

    Or an M-Body in every universe..

    And how do abstracts become physical?
     
  12. Zaelapolopollo Master of the Fates of Arda

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    Well...defint the difference between an abstract and a concept? Any examples? I know Eternity is an abstract but what would be a conceptual being?

    As for Abraxas, he is supposedly the antithesiss of Eternity,. As Roma put it "with every act of creation, there is an act of destruction." So, I guess Abraxas embodies the destruction of all that is.
     
  13. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    Cosmics like Eternity, Death, Oblivion, etc. have been referred to as both abstracts and concepts. Though, they're referred to far more as abstracts, so I should correct myself then.

    Oi vey. . . all that is. . . if there isn't a more confusing term that's been contradicted in Marvel publishing history, it'd be that.
     
  14. Fundamental physicist

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    They are however approved by Marvel.

    Well, we should keep the speculations at minimum, to avoid misstakes.

    The abstract of destruction, yes.

    Yes.

    Wrong until proven correct.

    It is one physical being, which are in the center of the omniverse, the impulse of life through it. The Alpha and Omega (Begning and end)
    It's like the seed in the apple, where the apple is the omniverse, and the seed is the golden body.
     
  15. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    As are the profiles they put up on their web-site. It doesn't change the presence of errors and contradictions.

    Agreed.

    I understood that Abraxas is a physical, not an abstract. I don't recall it ever described as an abstract in the Abraxas storyline.

    Alrighty.

    And likewise, can you provide any on-panel evidence that there is only 1 LT?

    If you refer to the scan where LT held the Brothers in his hand. . . which issue is that, if you know?
     
  16. Fundamental physicist

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    Adventures of the X-Men #12, and was given out March, 1997 in U.S.
     
  17. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    Isn't that the same series where Mr. Sinister realized he was a comic book character, as well as an adaption of the cartoon series X-Men: The Animated Series?
     
  18. Fundamental physicist

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    Yes, they were making a series out of the cartoons.
    1996-1997
     
  19. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    If it's a cartoon adaption, how would it be in-continuity? Would X-Men: The Animated Series be in-continuity then?

    I can only imagine Sinister's horror in realizing his work is nothing but for story purposes and amusement in fiction. Literally.

    You'd think he'd abandon his work after realizing its futility, or at least note his fictional existence like Deadpool.
     
  20. Fundamental physicist

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    If it wasent canon, the Brothers wouldent be retconned.
     
  21. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    I apologize, but I don't understand what you're saying.
     
  22. Fundamental physicist

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    The retcon has to be canon, simple as that.
     
  23. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    How does that make any sense?

    DC vs. Marvel isn't canon.
     
  24. Fundamental physicist

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    Well the Brothers (post retcon) has a biography in the Amalgam universe, so they're existant there, Amalgam is considered to be a Megaverse.
     
  25. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    The Brothers were created for DC vs. Marvel and Amalgam. What is your point?
     
  26. Fundamental physicist

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    They're still exist in Amalgam, but are lesser than the Living Tribunal.
    Anyway this is of topic, Ion or the Living Tribunal?
     
  27. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    So? It doesn't negate it being not in-continuity.

    Anything classic Ion has done, the IG did or can do. LT.
     
  28. Fundamental physicist

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    The point you got is, Amalgam is not canon.
    The thing is, we're not sure if that issue is canon.
    It might be, and probably is.
    -There's a list on marveldirectory.com of all comics that are non-canon, try searching there.
     
  29. Thanatos Fell in love with my sorrow...

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    Aren't you the one trying to prove it is canon?
     
  30. Rice Ball Active Member

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    I love it when he counters his own debate :)
     
  31. Fundamental physicist

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    Nope, there is no need for that, mainly because he voted the Living Tribunal as well, the rest is just off topic.
    However if he voted Ion then I would have to post the list myself.
     
  32. Fundamental physicist

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    Because it's so rare ... It's like one in a billion posts, which would mean the next wont come before I've posted futher a billion times.
     
  33. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    The series is an adaption of the X-Men: The Animated Series cartoon. How is that canon?

    You're the one trying to prove the positive.

    In addition, I'm not aware that the site featured such a list, nor do I know how to navigate the site to reach to it.

    Well, there's really nothing that Ion did that the IG can't do.
     
  34. Thanatos Fell in love with my sorrow...

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    You've only made 929... here at least... and those are just the ones that aren't FC or Bender based.

    Precisely the point I was making before.
     
  35. Fundamental physicist

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    Here I'm sitting trying to relax, after a lot of studying, before the math test and now I have to do stuff?
    - Well then, X
    Appearently it is canon, by a site approved by Marvel.
     
  36. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    I apologize, but I still don't see what on the page there indicates it's in-continuity.

    If it's due to the fact it's a published comic, that's not much really. The site is a database. It covers more than just Marvel. From the looks of it, it covers nearly every published comic book in comicdom.
     
  37. Thanatos Fell in love with my sorrow...

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    If you're tired, then why post?
     

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