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The Knights Templar Found America in 1362

Discussion in 'Debate Corner' started by Superrazien, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. Superrazien Former Wank-Nova 10

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    I was wondering if any of you were familiar with this. I saw a thing on the History channel about a farmer that found a land claim in America that is dated 1362, and is supposedly from the Knights Templar. They continued to show other evidence that points to the Templar being here, and even Christopher Columbus ties into the Templar. I hope someone else saw this so they know what I am talking about. But for anyone who has heard the theory before what do you think? People who never heard of it, do you think its possible the Knights Templar found America over 100 years before Columbus.

    Also they claim that the Freemasons are decedents from the Templar and by creating America they got their new Jerusalem.
     
  2. Altron スキャンダル

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    Knights Templar can go suck a dick.

    Teutonic Knights & Hospitaller Knights > Knights Templar :fu
     
  3. Saufsoldat POOP TRAIN CONDUCTOR

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    Utter bullshit on the first part, the reason why America was discovered was first by the vikings, because they had no clue how big the ocean was and then by Columbus, because he was a retard and if it weren't for America him and his entire crew would've starved to death long before reaching India.

    The second part is even more retarded. Where do you think the name "freemasons" comes from? Correct, they were once masons. The reason why they were so secretive was because masonry is really not a very complicated job and they had to keep what little secrets they had to themselves. It's really fucking hard to believe that the descendents of knights would become lowly masons.
     
  4. Elim Rawne 33

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  5. Garfield ​⁠​

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    Vikings finding AMerica sounds ... totally weird considering the small size of their ships...
     
  6. strongarm85 Active Member

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    The Knights Templar are responsible for building most of the Gothic Cathedrals and played a critical role in importing what we know of as European Architecture. Not only is it not much of stretch for Templar descendants to have had something to do with the Freemasons.

    In case if even if it is a myth, it is a myth that has been perpetrated for centuries and even the original free masons themselves claimed that we're descended from the Knights Templar.
     
  7. Saufsoldat POOP TRAIN CONDUCTOR

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    Still it is regarded as fact by most of the scientific community. Sine American species' closest genetic relatives are their northern-European counterparts.

    Yes, yes it is a huge stretch of the imagination. They were frickin knights, not some random guys who went on the crusades for lulz and loot. Knights do not become masons, it's ridiculous to assume anything of that kind.
     
  8. strongarm85 Active Member

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    Vikings did indeed find America hundreds of years before Columbus. The thing about Viking ships is despite the fact that they were small they were very sea worthy and could handle themselves in some of the roughest seas on earth. The way the Vikings made it to America was by going to Iceland, and then Greenland, and then America. Taking that route the were never more than 200 miles from land at any time so each part of the trip took only a few weeks.

    Columbus on the other hand took the Long way To America and approached by the equator were the earth is wider and he made less latitudinal progress. The vikings on the other hand took the fastest route by comparison and sailed west just under the arctic circle.

    In the 1960s a 1000 year old Viking Settlement was found in Canada. The myth that Columbus discovered America first has only bee continued over the years because people
     
  9. RAGING BONER Rape Culture Enthusiast

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    Vikings sailed from Scandinavia all the way to the middle east and pillaged everything in between...in those tiny boats.


    Don't underestimate them :pek
     
  10. strongarm85 Active Member

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    They weren't just knights, they were Europe's first bankers. They also handled a lot of the trade between the Asia and Europe and controlled huge tracks of land, including most of Spain. At the time of their disbandment they also had the largest fleet of ships in Europe at the time, all of which disappeared from historical record along with the knights who left on them when the Templars disbanded.
     
  11. Altron スキャンダル

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    Well it is generally accepted that they landed along in L'Anse aux Meadows on the tip of Newfoundland.
     
  12. strongarm85 Active Member

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    That is the settlement we can confirm anyways. It is very likely they explored beyond that.
     
  13. Saufsoldat POOP TRAIN CONDUCTOR

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    "Disband" is a nice way of putting it. They were hunted down and killed. And again, there is no reason for formerly popular nobles who many people owed favors to to become masons. It's ludicrous and not even close to plausible.
     
  14. Hothien Self-Proclaimed Atheist

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    Knights Templar may have contracted masons, organized and lead masons, but masons themselves? Unlikely. After all, they're knights. If they become masons, and stop being knights... they're not the Knights Templar anymore.
     
  15. Fulcata I don't recognize your names.

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    It's not as if the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon were the Three Musketeers. The Knights Templar were more or less the world's first Multi-national corporation. Non-combatant members of the Order managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Europe and the Middle East, and innovated financial techniques that were an early form of banking, and building many fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land.

    You know. Building. Fortifications. Like, the stoney-castley kind? Made of stone.
    Who builds things? Especially stone things? You could say it was called Masonry... I wonder who did masonry?Masons.

    The Knights Templar: The History & Myths of the Legendary Military Order. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press. ISBN 1560256451.
    The Knights Templar: A New History. Stroud: Sutton. ISBN 0750925175.


    They were never "just" Knights. Or just Nobles for that matter. They were monks, priests, sailors, craftsmen, bankers, bodyguards, and even masons. The Templar Knights were an absolutely HUGE organization. Not just knights.
     
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  16. MF NaruSimpson In memory of Trayvon

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    whats the disdain for masons in here? A craft is a craft and a trade is a trade, especially in those medieval times or whatever age they were in when you were either working or a bum.
     
  17. Saufsoldat POOP TRAIN CONDUCTOR

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    So my father is a freemason because he owns a house? Again, there is no historical or logical connection between freemasons and templars.

    There's no disdain. It's just that in that 700 years ago it was more likely for pigs to fly than for a noble to become a mason.
     
  18. strongarm85 Active Member

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    I used the word Disband because its more accurate to than saying they were hunted down and killed. Only to a few of top leaders were actually killed. More than 90% of the order survived in some form or another. In Portugal they changed their name to the Knights of Christ. Former Knights Templar went to Scottland were they joined Robert the Bruce and fought off the British.

    1,000 Peasants in Switzerland, which prior to this disbanding of the Knights Templar had no government or military, suddenly banded together and defeated an army of 20,000 knights sent to secure the the area to form a trade route and went on to create the most secretive banking institution in the world, the Swiss bank.

    We're talking about the "Freemasons" They're a well documented secret society that from inception claimed that they had ties to the Knights Templar.

    The Freemason's were never strictly masons. The point of the organization was that they were holding secret meetings with the intent of discussing revolutionary ideals under the guise of a medieval guild.
     
  19. Mider T VM Rapist

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    The Templar weren't killed off, they rid themselves of their status after the slaughter and conducted themselves as lowly masons.
     
  20. Platinum Better Than Gold

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    Doesn't change the fact that the Vikings got there first :pek.

    How solid was this guy's evidence anyway?
     
  21. strongarm85 Active Member

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    Very solid, the Artifact that proves this is a stone that pulled up by a farmer when he uprooted a tree on his land. The roots of the tree had actually grown around the stone.

    Now the stone is written in runes. The thing about runes they are not hieroglyphs and not quite alphabetical. So when you reading runes requires a certain bit of interpretation. Originally the stone was dismissed as a Hoax because it was dated in 1362 (it was actually dated twice to 1362 the second date was coded was not discovered until the last 4 or 5 years).

    Anyhow the people who were "experts" on runes were dismissed it as a hoax for three reasons.

    The main reason was because the farmer was of Scandinavian decent and at the time it just so happened that they were officially recognizing Christopher Columbus as the man who discovered America and there were a lot of Scandinavians who knew from their heritage that their people had reached America a good long time before Columbus did.

    Another reason why because there are a few runes that seem to come from different parts of europe, and there was one rune in particular that didn't seem to come from anywhere and seemed to be made up.

    Lastly the man when who found the stone cleaned out the runes with a nail after he found the stone and made it look as if they were recently carved by the stone.

    Well the stone, even though it was dismissed as a hoax, sat in the town Museum for a decades and they finally got enough money together to ask a forensics expert to examine the stone.

    The expert was able to determine several things about the stone. He was able to determine that the inscription was at least pre-dated European settlement of the region. He was able to determine that the stone had been underground for quite some time and that the root marks by the tree growing around it were genuine.

    Archeologist still immediately dismissed the findings for the forensics expert and told him that it was because he "Wasn't an archeologist." Archeologist consider themselves an expert on dating things and the Archeologist refused to except the findings of a respected geologist and forensics expert on an object that they dismissed as being a hoax decades before. In fact archeologist they interviewed really did come across as an ass hole. He basically argued that the stone couldn't be real because most of the runes originate from across Europe and that he thought the idea that Europeans could make it to southern Michigan prior to Columbus was laughable and argued that it had to be a fake based on those merits.

    In any case, when the stone was first discovered over 1890s it was tied to the Scandinavians and not the Knights Templar.

    The reason why it's tied to the Knights Templar by the History Channel is because in the 1970's in Europe there was a ledger was discovered in France that was a Runic Code that had been held as a closely guarded family secret until that time. The way that you date things in Runes is you write out the whole word. For instance you would write Thirteen instead of 13 when you dated something official. The coded runes allowed the writer to essentially double-date the the runes so that if someone decided to change the date on something that was official the coded date would go unchanged.

    The document even had that unique Rune I mentioned earlier as not existing in any other Runic language. It is an X with a hook on the top right that goes upwards.

    Well it turns out that the code was real, and things that used the coded runes there were still around for people to see today are inscribed on the very churches that the Knights Templar built. The coded runes have not been found on anything no associated with the Knight Templar. The coded runes were found on every monument that the Knights Templar built.

    The coded runes were also found on the stone in 2005 and that is what ties the Knights Templar to the Stone.

    So, if all of this is true, than in 1362 the Knights Templar claimed all the land adjacent the Mississippi River and its tributaries as well as the Hudson River and all the all of the lands adjacent to it and it's tributaries, which ends up being more than 1/3 of the North American continent.
     
  22. Saufsoldat POOP TRAIN CONDUCTOR

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    Which still gives them no connection whatsoever to masons.

    Yes, they were. If you even had a shred of knowledge about the history of freemasonry, you'd know that this is how it got started. The masons created an organization to secure their knowledge of masonry from unqualified people and strangers. They had the secret handshake, etc.

    That's what they became much, much later.
     
  23. chaosakita 我愛羅の愛好者~~!

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    I guess it's always possible, but anything is, and there is really scant evidence for it and it doesn't really matter. Columbus's discovery is what truly affected the world.
     
  24. Fuzzly Might know Judo

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    Freemasons have nothing to do with the Knights Templar. When the Masons were being formed, it was all the rage to be in a secret society. To mean much your society had to have ties connecting it to knighthood somehow. So some members of the Masons forged documents associating the Masons with the Knights Templar.


    Fast forward a few years, and there's this guy. He hates the Masons for some reason (I forget, sorry) and decides to discredit them by going after the Masons' origins, the KT. So he starts all kinds of rumors about phallus worship, spitting on the cross, etc. to make the Masons look bad. Since then all kinds of rumors about the KT have sprouted.
     
  25. Shinobi Mugen Banned

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    Guess what, native Americans found America 12.000 years ago! :zaru
     
  26. Wolfarus Mrgrgr

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    Not sure if it was the same special..

    But i remember watching a program on the subject of the knights templar, OR a program on the holy grail (they tend to tie into eachother anyways). They showed some footage of ruins found somewhere in mid-upper canada, on the east side of the continent, which were very european in build (including a "standard" gargoyle head, a wheat / flour mill, ect)

    So i think its possible that the knights (or at least european explorers of some kind) were here before columbus, but AFTER the vikings. (think they were the first europeans, ever, to find the american continent)

    If memory serves me(completely diff program), they also found a stone chinese anchor of somekind on the west coat somewhere, so its possible that chinese explorers found the continent as well :hurr

    So that possibly puts columbus in 4th place, if not 3rd :zaru

    Edit : Here's an article summerizing the chinese anchor finds on the west coast. X
     
  27. stream Do something, Naruto!

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    Those who discovered America first arrived over the frozen strait of Behring.

    They're called Amerindians now :amuse
     

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