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Thanos HotU vs. Beyonder

Discussion in 'Comics Battledome' started by Id, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. Id Τοξότης Moderator

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    Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
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    Pre-Retcon Beyonder
     
  2. Rice Ball Active Member

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    Difficult to say.

    Thanos would likely win if the battle was in the 616 universe.
     
  3. Power16 A real friend last forever!!!

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    My money is on HOTU.
     
  4. Fundamental physicist

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    Beyonder gets his ass whopped.
     
  5. Kamen Rider Ryoma New Member

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    Beyonder stomps. He's an omniversal entity. The HoTU is limited to 616 universe.
     
  6. dr.psycho Active Member

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    Heart of the universe aka Heart of the infinite? Doesn't that grant Thanos the same power as TOAA who is above pre-retcon Beyonder?

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    Here Thanos absorbs the LT, judge of ALL the Multi-verses, and representative of the TOAA.

    and HOTU/HOTI gives you TOAA powers who is above Pre-retcon beyonder.

    Thanos with the power of the marvel writers RETCONS pre-retcon beyonder and owns him.
     
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  7. Rice Ball Active Member

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    He didn't exactly have the powers of TOAA, for example he didn't possess Omniscience and DIDN'T know Adam Warlock had survived the destruction of reality.
     
  8. Power16 A real friend last forever!!!

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    Wasn't that because his power could only reach within reality and not outside. I took it as him having TOAA Omnipotent power within reality and just that not his omnipresence or science.
     
  9. Kamen Rider Ryoma New Member

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    So what? That was just an M-body of the LT.

    The HotU is limited to 616 universe, otherwise Thanos wouldn't have ended in utter darkness after he destroyed the universe. He could have just switched to another.
     
  10. Power16 A real friend last forever!!!

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    Where is it stated that it was LT's M-body because i have been trying to find an instance where this is mention in the comic.
     
  11. Kamen Rider Ryoma New Member

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    Logical assumption. Why should the omniversal Living Tribunal bother with a self-contained universal incident? An entity tasked with overviewing an infinite amount of multiverses that each contain an infinite amount of universes, wouldn't come personally to a single universe.

    That's like saying the President goes to Miami to arrest a petty thief by himself.
     
  12. Power16 A real friend last forever!!!

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    That's not helping me. The event occurred in 616 Universe which is the Prime Universe if anything happens to it the rest will fall so if anything it would be the real LT. It is his duty to judge a universe if it threatens the others and he's suppose to exist everywhere simultaneously.

    So if he even has an M-body why would it be weaker?

    I mean there is only on LT and the M-body is just how he gives himself form so why would there be more than one and unlike Eternity that represents one universe at a time in the Prime Multiverse.
     
  13. dr.psycho Active Member

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    I thought in the book it was made clear by Warlock that Thanos subconsciously left warlock alive so that he could talk him out of it.

    btw if your going to use that arguement I can say Pre-retcon beyonder wasn't omniscience either because he got his powers stolen from by Dr.Doom.
     
  14. Rice Ball Active Member

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    Thats not good enough i'm afraid, CBG braught this up a long time ago, theres no proof that it was a M Body, and just the same ammount that it was the full being, for example Eternity was sent in first and defeated in a instant by Thanos, so the big guns were called in, notice the 2nd Eternity (Multi Eternity prehapes) was defeated at the same time as the LT.

    And thats a bad example. :wink

    It was another power(TOAA) manipulating Thanos, last time Thanos subconscious was discussed was in Infinity Gauntlet when Thanos and Warlock spoke in book 6.
     
  15. Supreme intelligence 3 Member

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    Thanos wins he wiped out all realities in marvel with the HOTU it is = to TOAA as no one not even LT who is all universes could stop him.
     
  16. Vault Time: Donut of the heart

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    HOTU thanos > LT who is > beyonder :zaru

    do the math
     
  17. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    Wrong.

    HOTU wiped out only 1 universe.

    HOTU is a universal power.
     
  18. Supreme intelligence 3 Member

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    What that discredits you all the way. LT got the whole Marvel universe to try and stop Thanos Lt is equal to all the multiverses. No one could stop Thanos not even LT, and everyone know The Heart of The Universe mean the Marvel Universe its = to TOAA.smile-big
     
  19. Comic Book Guy Cassandra Cain Fanboy Advisor

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    Read Marvel: The End again.

    Numerous times, Thanos has stated that the universe was destroyed. In #1, #5, and #6. He even outright states this on the first page of Marvel: The End #1.

    Adam Warlock in #6 confirms the destruction of the universe.

    Thanos in Thanos #1, which follows after Marvel: The End, confirms it again.

    The entire Marvel Omniverse wasn't destroyed by Thanos; only 1 universe was destroyed by his HOTU tantrum.

    Even Pre-Retcon Beyonder was above Living Tribunal, back in Secret Wars II.

    HOTU = supreme being of 1 universe; Thanos #1.
     
  20. Antitard Active Member

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    Beyonder turns the heart into a cookie. People don't really get that Pre-retcon Beyonder IS the strongest character marvel produced, that is why they had to retcon him.
     
  21. azngamer87 Member

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    My money is on Beyonder. It was stated by Shooter that Pre Recton Beyonder was millions of times more powerful then the entire Marvel Multiverse combined.
     

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