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Team Yamanaka vs. Team Hyuga

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Sparrow, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. Sparrow Bite them Back!

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    TEAM YAMANAKA VS. TEAM HYUGA

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    Combatants
    Yamanaka Inoichi - Jounin
    Hyuga Hiashi - Jounin​
    Yamanaka Ino - Chuunin
    Hyuga Hinata - Chuunin​
    Yamanaka Fu- ANBU (Jounin-level)​
    Hyuga Neji - Jounin​

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    Battle Details
    Location: Konoha Forest of Death
    Starting distance:150m
    State of Mind: In-character with intention to kill or incapacitate.
    Knowledge: Basic knowledge of opposing clan's abilities, but not specific techniques.
    Restrictions: None.

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    Things to Consider
    1: Both sides have one Chuunin (Ino and Hinata), one seemingly mid-level Jounin (Fu and Neji) and one elite Jounin (Inoichi and Hiashi)
    2: The Yamanaka Clan's abilities mostly involve sending their chakra and/or consciousness into the opponent, something the Byakugan can likely see and perhaps evade. Working in unison, however, could make this much more difficult in action than it is in theory.
    3: Fu's puppet traps could still be used to great effect given that even if the Hyuga combatants are aware of the chakra in the trap, they do not know that counterattacking results in falling victim to it.
    4: The Hyuga team's Byakugan allows them to see their opponent from the starting distance through the brush of the forest allowing them to be conscious to avoid any traps and attempt to set up an ambush.
    5: The Yamanaka team has two sensors giving them a similar advantage as well as a medical ninja.
    -Whether or not Kaiten can disrupt or cancel out Shintenshin, Shinranshin, etc. . . is unknown and will be left up to you to decide.
    6: For the purposes of this battle, assume that both Hiashi and Inoichi have mastered all of their clans techniques. The rest are limited to their manga feats.​
     
  2. burstorm Sasuke Uchiha

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    Team Hyuga win this with difficulty. Hiashi in the manga took out like 12 Jonin/Chunin with 1 rotation which is a defensive move. That alone tells me that him and Neji are all that's needed here. Fu needs prep to get his jutsu up and this leaves his body vulnerable. Any 1 Hyuga could pick him off in that state. Inoichi gets defeated by Hiashi seeing as how the 2 strongest ninja from each clan will likely face off. Hiashi has all of Neji and Hinata's abilities making him above any Yamanaka. Neji can defeat Ino and Fu solo in my opinion but if not Hinata is there for backup.
     
  3. Mane No

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    Good thread. I think that the Hyuuga's win.

    The Hyuuga's would definately be capable of seeing everything the Yamanaka clan does until they bring it to CQC, so any sort of traps, including Fu's, are useless here. Even without knowledge on what it does, they would clearly see him setting it up, and just avoid it, since the puppet needs to be attacked for the technique to work. I doubt that the trap can be set up in time anyway; the distance should be covered before then.

    The distance shouldn't be very difficult to cross. Once they meet, the Hyuuga's dominate in hand-to-hand combat. They have basic knowledge of the Yamanaka clan's mind switch, so know to keep mobile to avoid getting hit, and can pinpoint the time the jutsu is cast due to disturbances in the body's chakra and the hand signs. The jutsu isn't made for combat anyway and is difficult to hit on a mobile opponent, and if the Byakugan can see the projection, the chances of it hitting are practically nonexistant.

    There's also Air Palm, which can be used to strike the Yamanaka once they make the signs, or after they have already sent the projection, which would cancel the jutsu and cause damage.

    So the Hyuuga clan, with low-mid difficulty.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2011
  4. G-Man It Ain't Easy Being G...

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    Hyuuga clan win with high difficulty. Ino's Shintenshin is fast and if her dad and Fu are at the same level of speed or close to it using their own Shintenshin closing in with them (which the Hyuuga need to do to win) will be difficult to say the least.

    I'm giving it to Hyuuga because, despite it basically being astral projection, it's still a jutsu where they invade your body utilizing chakra (Asuma, because he didn't know about Inner Sakura, suggested Ino lost control of Sakura during their preliminary fight because Ino was low on chakra, which means their chakra plays a role in the possession itself and isn't solely for initiating the jutsu). Even if one of Team Hyuuga gets possessed their comrades can likely use non-lethal, non-debilitating Jyuuken strikes to free their possessed comrade (as well as cause pain to a Yamanaka). They could even seal the tenketsu on the possessed one, thus sealing the chakra of the possessing Yamanaka, and then unseal the tenketsu after the Yamanaka's spirit has been forced out of the body turning the Shintenshin against the Yamanaka clan members.

    Ultimately, the Yamanaka's only real threat is Shinranshin and too little is known about that for me to judge it properly. If it functions anything like Shintenshin the Hyuuga should be able to see it coming. The Yamanaka Clan need traps and tools to fully utilize Shintenshin and the Hyuuga, having some knowledge of the Yamanaka clan's jutsu, will not allow themselves to be lured near any points where traps have been set up. This is what seals the Yamanaka Clan's fate. Their primary form of attack is too unwieldly whereas the Hyuuga just need to get close and start poking and Neji and Hiashi have a mid-range attack (Hinata should as well, even if her Vaccuum Palm might be weaker than theirs, otherwise the thought of her somehow pulling off a combo Vaccuum Palm with Neji becomes absurd) to help further throw the Yamanka off-balance.

    It's safe bet that no one will be ambushing anyone in this match (the Hyuuga's Byakugan will see such traps and they don't use traps themselves) and the Yamanaka needed that slight edge. Ironically enough, had it been one-on-one matches instead of team matches, the Yamanaka probably would have faired better.
     
  5. Mangeykou Byakugan Neji>>>You

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    Hyuga win

    At 15m, Shintensin should be avoidable and seen with the Byakugan

    If the Hyuga close the distance, their options go up exponentially

    Air Palm should shut down any chance of Mind Transfer
    As does Kaiten

    And if Twin Lion Fists and 64 Divinations ends it at close range

    Hyuga shouldn't have much trouble taking this

    Hyuga clan are still the strongest in Konoha
     
  6. Sparrow Bite them Back!

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    While I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, I should point out a couple of things that could help the Yamanaka group significantly in their fight.

    Firstly, they have the teamwork advantage. I say this not because the Hyuga are worse at working in a team, but because the Yamanaka Clan can communicate with each other telepathically. This is a huge advantage as the opponent has no indication that any kind of strategy is being put into action.

    The second thing is Shinranshin. If Inoichi can use this on one of the Hyugas, it could turn the tide of the battle immediately. While we don't know in-depth details of its mechanics, it seems to leave Inoichi's consciousness in his body, which means his defenses are still intact. Using it and forcing one of the Hyugas to attack their comrades or simply making them attack one of Fu's traps could spell disaster for the byakugan bunch.
     
  7. Meruem The King

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    Great thread, I think Hyuga win. Hiashi used that one move that I forget the name of to take out that jounin at a range. I'm not seeing why he can't use that on at the very least Ino.
     
  8. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    :wtf This thread is amazing! The clans of my two favourite characters duking it out!

    I really could see it going either way, but purely because the general census in that the Hyuga win, I'll come up with reasons why the Yamanakas can take the victory.

    Inoichi's Shinranshin is pretty deadly. We don't have much info on it, but it seems as if the effect is pretty much instant once the hand sign is performed. Neji and Hiashi may be able to avoid it (although if Inoichi spams it, I can see them falling), but I don't see Hinata evading this fast technique, making it four against two.

    Does Fu really need prep for his puppet? Because can't he literally just throw it out and have it attack someone? As the OP said, the Hyugas would be able to see the chakra stored in it, but wouldn't know that they can't attack it. This is a huge advantage for Fu. Once he's possessed someone, he wouldn't hesitate either to gouge out his own eyes, therefore making that Hyuga useless (Fu himself would still be fine to a certain degree as he could sense, and communicate telepathically with his clan)

    Ino's Shinten Bunshin may catch the Hyugas off guard, seeing as she can control its trajectory and it's fast. I don't believe Rotation could deflect it, as Shikamaru's shadows are able to pass through Gaara's ultimate defence effortlessly- surely a spirit could do similar.

    All of the Yamanakas have shown good evasion feats, meaning that they'll unlikely be hurt by attacks such as the Air Palm.

    If for some ridiculous reason they enter CQC, Ino and Fu have shown that they can at least hold them off (although if they linger in close combat too long they'll definitely be destroyed)

    And doesn't Inoichi have some genjutsu feats too?

    Anyway, there you have some general points in favour of the Mind Rapers, but the Hyuga could take it just as easily.
     
  9. Naiad Active Member

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    I'll give it to the Yamanakas too.

    If Inoichi manages to hit with Shinranshin ,thats working pretty fast after the handseal is done, it turns the advantage to the yamanakas!
    Fuu would just need to cooperate with Inoichi and take the control over Hiashi or Neji! so the Hyugas would lose a great fighter of their team.
    Then we have Ino who can controll 2 bodys at once.

    I still dont think that the hyugas are are able to see the Shintenshin or Shintenbunshin itself,because they use there spiritual energy,and its nowhere said that they can see it. spiritual energy is only one PART that chakra is made out of-

    so if they doesnt see the the attacks of Fuu and Ino,they will have big problems,because they dont have much time to dodge,since shintenshin and shinten bunshin are damn fast.
    Maybe they could dodge shintenshin because its a well known jutsu of the yamanakas and its going straight ahead. but shintenbunshin is probaply pretty unkown and the user can control the way the jutsu goes. team hyuga have no good chances to dodge this jutsu. and if ino only manages to catch one of them,they have already a big disadvantage;-

    (the yamanakas would be doing good if they are up to to catch Neji and Hiashi ,if they would posses hinata it wouldnt change much,everybody in this battle is a higher level than she is.like anyone said; only hiashi and neji are needed here)

    -because its 3 vs 2 then (with inoichi and his shinranshin it could even be 4 vs 1).

    it sounds pretty easy for the yamanakas,but it is only the case if the hyugas are not able to see spiritual energy.otherwise the battle would turn out a lot harder for the yamanakas. but since spiritual is only a part of what chakra is made out of,and the hyugas are only said to see chakra and nothing more, i dont think they will see any of the yamanaka jutsus.
    although i have to say ,that shinranshin uses chakra,and no spiritual energy,they would possibly be able to see the shinranshin coming,but inos shintenbunshin is still their special weapon in this fight.
     
  10. Archangel Michael ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็ ก็็็็ ็็็็็

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    Team Hyuga win this and team yama don't have speed feat at all so they might get blitz .
     
  11. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    X

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    There's more where this came from :)
     
  12. Jad |#[Dead Man]#|

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    Hyuuga, didn't they say they were the strongest in Konoha or something ? All in all, they aren't catching the hyuuga's with mind transfer, and as soon as they get close, Neji does his thing, Hinata clobbers, and Hisashi Rotates.
     
  13. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    Kakashi said Sakura was closest to becoming Hokage, so I'd take statements with a pinch of salt :zaru
     
  14. ?Sharingan Squid? Dapper as fuck

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    Each of the Yamanaka take control of a Hyuuga.

    They then jump off a cliff and release.
    EZ win for team Yamanaka.
     
  15. Grand Cross Funkiest Dealer

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    Hyugas close their Tenketsu. Yamanakas surrender. :zaru
     
  16. ?Sharingan Squid? Dapper as fuck

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    They can't really do that while being controlled by Ino.

    Problem, Hyuuga? :LOS
     
  17. SoleAccord Let's rewrite a tragedy~

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    Whoa whoa whoa whoa, anyone can say they're the strongest or fastest. Does that mean they could beat Hiruzen? Because they claim they were the strongest?

    I call that pride, my friend, anyone can claim that.

    P.S. I LOVE the Hyuga clan but you can't just take the words of what people say so seriously. If Sakura didn't call herself a burden in Part 1, would you believe her?
     
  18. Synn Active Member

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    They need to get close to do that... :zaru Plus, was Hinata ever shown closing tenketsu?
     
  19. Naiad Active Member

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    getting close to the yamanakas means: suicide!
    they dont see the mind transfer,if they come close ino can take controll over 2 of them with ease,and rape the left one at first and going suicide with the controlled bodys
     
  20. Grand Cross Funkiest Dealer

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    Let's be honest with ourselves here, Hinata is just a liability. Neji and Hia..Hiza..his uncle should be fast enough to get to Inoichi and Fuu considering the Yamanakas have no speed feats and need fairly slow targets to get off their jutsu. Once those two are done Ino's a cake walk.
     
  21. Jad |#[Dead Man]#|

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    Let's be honest, she did Mind Body Transfer herself into two Dead Zetu's. X
    Who is to say that it will work on two alive people ? Wouldn't the strain to keep a hold of TWO alive people be too strong for Ino.

    And didn't Shikmaru say the Mind Body Transfer technique is really slow, and can only go in a straight line, I doub't any of the Hyuuga's will be getting caught in her tech if they see her use it, and it's too risky, if they miss, that's it.
     
  22. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    :facepalm Here's the post I already posted for future reference:

    The technique WAS slow... since then Ino's improved its speed drastically so the foe only needs to be distracted for a split second.

    X
     
  23. Grand Cross Funkiest Dealer

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    Let me show you what's wrong with the links you posted.

    1. Asuma was their Sensei so Ino is very familiar with how he fights. She saw him make the hand seals and knew what he was about to do. This is canon and is the sole reason they were chosen to fight Asuma

    2. Fuu simply reacted and didn't even catch Madara offguard. It speaks nothing for his speed.

    3. Once again, simply dodging a projectile means nothing in this manga since everyone dodges kunai and shuriken.

    4. They jumped out of an explosion, they did not outrun it. I don't see the big deal there. Besides, that still doesn't help their case considering fodder (ANBU) was able to do the exact same thing.
     
  24. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    While this point is valid, you can't deny that this is an incredible speed feat, especially for Ino. She didn't just get out of the way of the attack, but she travelled from one side of the blast to the other, carrying a massive weight for half of it, all in the space of one of two seconds.

    Fu quickly turned to slice Madara. Behind him. Coming up from the floor. There's no way a Hyuga is blitzing him when Fu can react to intangible people behind him.

    Fair enough, but it's still a feat which describes that Yamanaka can dodge quick blows.

    As hard as it is to believe, ANBU are elite ninja. So this does not downplay the Yamanakas speed.

    And let's not forget Ino's reaction time to Asuma trying to attack Choji, but I'm too busy to get the link right now.
     
  25. BrightlyGoob I'm with <b><font color="#ff6600">COCO</font></b>

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    I'm bored, so I'll be dropping by here. :zaru

    Yamanaka techniques are centered around espionage & Mind Body Transfer is for controlling a person to gather information. It'd make no sense if the jutsu was created for the dead as obviously, it isn't a sufficient way of collecting information. I highly doubt that there would be a mind technique created solely for the dead/unconscious as it highly contradicts logic of what their jutsus are created for.

    What we saw from Ino was merely a form of using the technique in a more creative way.
     
  26. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    Plus, Ino held down Six Tailed Psuedo Kyubi, so she should be ok :datass
     
  27. Furubodiburo My speech prevails preach.

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    Byakugan renders chakra-oriented substances/ energies apparent; as clarified within the intiating specifications, respective jutsu (inlusive to Mind-Transfer) are visible to Hyuga members.
    Evading this projection- regarding Neji- would not be a hindrance, given proceeding feats(incorporated within the signature).
    Hiashi possess Rotation, alongside Neji, which consists of volatile perpetual energies, certainly sufficient in repelling Mind-Transfer.
    Hinata is susseptable to Mind-Transfer, most likely, considering her dimunitave agility/ maximum executed velocity.

    Cryptic strategies are inevitably fruitless given the presence of three sensory ninja(that regarding various potential traps designated about the terrain, namely residing within the forest).

    Feats respective to provided members of Clan Yanamanka are inadequete considering Neji's- proceed below.

    Most likely, the long-range oriented congreation's failure to maintain plausible distance would be secured by the opposing clan's superior speed and sensory capabilities.
     
  28. Naiad Active Member

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    Why shouldnt she able to use it on two living bodys? she used shintenshin so much times in the war chapters,she appeared in ,that she seems to have a lot of chakra,and she doesnt need long to kill one of the hyugas with a suicide attack.

    what shikamaru said is past. inoichi said that she improved the speed and releasing drastically.

    the hyugas dont see the spiritual energy ,and its hard to dodge something thats invisible and really fast and unknown!
    they might know about the shintenshin,but not shintenbunshin.

    it wouldnt be that risky in that fight. she has her father and fuu as back ups! she improved,like inoichi said, also the releasing; she returns back to her body in few moments,what we can see clearly in the panels when she helps to seal kingaku!
     
  29. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    Also works for the Yamanaka- they can sense

    Also, the Hyuga don't sense- they scout/track.
    And Neji is the only one with certified greater speed.
     
  30. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    This is false, they track, scout and sense. Dude they have a 360 degree field a of vision that spreads out depending on their strength. Hence it is sensing.
     
  31. Legendary Madara Wind power

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    I would have to say the Hyuga's win due to the fact that the distance is to short and im sure they wont stand still long enough for the Mind Transfer Jutsu to work, and from there they just hit chakra points.

    (Hyuga's win low-mid Difficulty)
     
  32. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    In Naruto I believe 'sensing' is just 'feeling' the chakra of another, and the Hyuga can't do this.

    Of course I'm not denying that they're any less capable (perhaps more so actually) of finding an opponent than the Yamanaka
     
  33. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    Yeah but once you step into their range they feel your prescence, they then go and locate them with their byakugan.
     
  34. Naiad Active Member

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    hyugas cant sense anything in any range. they scout ,and nothing more and nothing less
     
  35. Grand Cross Funkiest Dealer

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    Scouting with binocular eyes that can see through anything and sees 360 degrees around them. :zaru
     
  36. G-Man It Ain't Easy Being G...

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    Why can't they see the mind transfer? It is a jutsu using chakra after all. And all three Yamanaka need to possess all three Hyuuga at once or they are screwed (or at least succeed in possessing Hiashi and Neji). Neji or Hiashi just close tenketsu on whomever gets possessed and the corresponding Yamanaka gets shut down, meanwhile the Hyuuga can now unseal their comrade. Hell, Hinata can just land a non-lethal strike on whomever is possessed. Painful yes, but Neji got up and ran towards an opponent after having a hole blown through his chest and still used a Jyuuken technique to kill the guy mid-air. I imagine he can tank a non-lethal Jyuuken strike.

    No one has mentioned any counter for this. At worst every time a Yamanaka possesses someone that Yamanaka is taken out along with his/her corresponding Hyuuga. It could very well end with Hiashi or Neji vs Ino in a 1-on-1 depending on who Inoichi and Fuu possessed before they got taken out and I don't like those odds for Ino.
     
  37. Naiad Active Member

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    of course it costs chakra,but the energy they are shooting into the enemey ,is their spiritual energy. spiritual is only a part of what chakra is made out of ; Physical Energy + Spirutal Energy = Chakra<- thats what they are able to see. but its nowhere said that they can see spiritual energy.

    Ino can posses 2 bodies @once
    Shintenbunshin is fast! and also unknown to the hyugas! the user can also controll the shootline that the hyugas wont see.
    she only needs to take controll of Neji or Hinatas Father, to bring tthe hyugas to a great disadvantage.

    Inoichi wont use shintenshin,he has his Shinranshin,which doesnt reflect any damage and allows the caster to keep his mind. he can make the target going suicide or use it for fighting like he did once.

    Fuu should stay back and try to take us of shintenkugutsu,and fight as a puppet.the puppet can attack but cant get attacked because then it would activate the body switch.
    if the hyugas attack the puppet they are sealed inside of it very quickly


    Hinata is a lot slower than Ino or Fuu!
    Fuu and Ino showed nice reactions and speed ,if hinata tries to hurt a Yamanaka in their possesed body,they only need to release.
    that could end badly for team hyuga.
    Its also a big point that at least ino,only need a moment to return to her body! when she left kingakus body she got back to her body in about 1-2 seconds, so even in this case team hyuga couldnt even use that moments of a chance in time,if ino has 2 back ups.
     
  38. Santeira The stranger on the bus

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    This is what I've been thinking about. Hyuuga may or may not able to see spiritual energy, however I'm more inclined to they can.

    Chakra is made from spiritual energy and physical energy; and Byakugan can see chakra. It can see the colors, the patterns, Minato's soul (life force that provides spiritual energy) was visible when the Shinigami pulled it out. If they can see two compositions in a mixed form, they should be able to see the separate compositions as well.
     
  39. -JT- Mr Yamanaka

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    It definitely makes it easier for them if they can see them :hmm But the Shintenshin is a hell of a lot faster now, and Shinranshin seems pretty instant, so it might still be hard for the Hyugas to dodge them...
     
  40. Naiad Active Member

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    i dont know any panels or databook comments or whatever where its said/shown that they can see it,i only read and saw that they can see chakra.
    its a mix of physical and spiritual yes,but if they are only using the spirit its no chakra,its only the spiritual energy, i think they cant see it.

    if they do, it would be ,like JT said, easier for the hyugas, but as he said, shintenshin has got damn fast,and shinranshin seems to work instantly,shintenbunshin is still too dangerous for the hyugas to come close.
    every yamanaka jutsu will work instantly if the hyugas get too close.
     

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