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''strength is not determined by the number of tails one has''

Discussion in 'Konoha Library' started by Sasukethe7thHokage, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. Sasukethe7thHokage Amaterasu

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    think he means that in a literal sense?
    like 1 tails with enough training could be > ten tails
    or does he just mean that in different way?
     
  2. Fay

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    Hachibi is wise, he is the master Roshi of the jinchuriki. Kyuubi will learn his lesson soon enough :quite.
     
  3. Utopia Realm Love me?

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    Look at Gaara vs Naruto in part 1. Even though Naruto had 9tails, Gaara had more ability and control (if you wanna call it that) over his beast.
     
  4. dungsi27 dung si diet muoi

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    Well apparently the tailed-beasts themselves are disagreeing on this particular point,so I guess itll be hard for us to say.
     
  5. Coldhands A Thousand Eyes, and One

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    I think Hachibi meant that the Biju is stronger when working together with it's Jinchuriki.
     
  6. Wez ★

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    I think he means it in a different way, neither strength nor training.

    Probably talking about heart, teamwork, and love. Gay shit like that.
     
  7. Dariusd Active Member

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    It harkens to numerous statements about the perfect jinchuuriki, bijuu being weak, and other random statements. There is a reason why KB is such a force to be reckoned with when he's teamed up with his jinchuuriki. Kyuubi/Naruto fighting each other internally while fighting an opponent would only weaken their cumulative power.

    Reminds of the Zaraki Kenpachi and his Zanpaktou fight in bleach...teamwork....
     
  8. Whirlpool Triumvir

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    small amount of kyuubi chakra > one-tails
     
  9. Brickhunt Battle Franky 800

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    I think that he means that all beast are kind equivalents. The tails only mean the quantity of the chakra a tailed beast possess, the quality of their chakra and abilities are equivalent.

    Kyuubi has the more chakra of them all, but so far the only improvement for base Naruto was a very big chakra reserve. Bee, as the second beast, gained "Ink release" and as it went on, the less tailed Jinchuuriki gained kekkei genkai on their own. Gaara, the 1 tailed Jinchuuriki. even gained the extremely versatile sand control.

    It doesn't matter the number of tails, each Beast seems to have an exclusive ability that compensate the less number of tails.
     
  10. Faustus Immortal

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    Translations differ on this part
     
  11. UltimateDeadpool Steam Danger Tyrant

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    Well we had Gobi and Yonbi both send Hachibi flying, so I think Hachibi was being literal.
     
  12. Summers look at my sig

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    OK, but kyuubi could still murk the lot of them.
     
  13. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    "It is all about guts and never giving up"-Jiraiya
     
  14. vagnard Active Member

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    This.

    The general rule is "more tails = more power".... but this is the classic shounen crap when the "power of friendship" surpass common sense.
     
  15. vjpowell Becoming Stronger

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    Hachibi use a very simple logic. Power doesn't mean you are the strongest. Kyuubi has more power than Shukaku but it seem that Shukaku has more ability to control its powers than Kyuubi.
     
  16. Epyon Active Member

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    Genin Naruto defeated Shukaku using the tiniest pinch of Kyuubi's power.
     
  17. KingBoo Active Member

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    the 8 tails sharinganed naruto's tnj and tried it out. all it is really
     
  18. Setas1999 Idea of Evil

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    it is determind by how badass host bijuu have.So 1 tail is the strongest and 8 tails is second strongest
     
  19. eyeknockout fear me, fodder

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    killer bee > naruto

    hachibi is pretty much saying "if you want to surpass me kyuubi, cling to life in an unsightely way and come before me when you have the same eyes as me"...hey, I didn't tell you to close them :mad
     
  20. zenieth <img src="http://i.imgur.com/akvex6n.png"></img>

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    Not really, no
     
  21. Hokage Active Member

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    I think that Hachibi is adding the jinkuriikis experience, teamwork, reason to fight (ie defending a friend vis a vis destroying for the fun of it) and affinity (ie fighting in the desert) in equation. Under normal conditions the 9 tailed fox would probably eat Shukkaku for breakfast
     
  22. Luiz Well-Known Member

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    It's determined by the strenght of your heart. :sniff
     
  23. Jad |#[Dead Man]#|

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    I have a feeling the size of a Bijuu is determined by the number of tails. The horse-unicorn coral 5 tailed Bijuu looked smaller in-comparison to the Hachibi who made Tobi look like a dot on his hand.
     
  24. Spanktastik Member

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    Strongest jinchuuriki so far is killer Bee cause he works together with the 8-tails, thats what I think hachibi is aiming at. The whole chapter is about the bond between host - jinchuuriki and between fellow bijuu, how they are being enslaved by shinobi, they can only be strong if they work together with a host.

    Its not about quality >> Quantity cause the quality of the Kyuubi's chakra still rocks. Have you seen any of them burning stuff in v2? Using bijuu dama like attacks in V2? Using huge ass shockwaves etc? Naruto is probably alot stronger in his pure chakra mode ( cause of the huge chakra) then Killer Bee was back in the day.

    Sure the other Bijuu have FANCY attacks, something we surely will see if Kyuubi and Naruto work as a team. But lets say Naruto wont gain fancy stuff.... Fxcking Roshi's magma cloud got caught by Naruto, V2 burned the crap out of Orochimaru's snakes.
     
  25. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    Kyuubi knows what's up.


    Hachibi is just jealous.
     
  26. Madai Mada eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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    I found this epic old post:

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    Japanese legends


    9tails= #1
    8tails = #2
    5-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 3rd
    2-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 4th
    6-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 5th
    3-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 6th
    7-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 7th in strength
    1-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 8th
    4-tails Bijuu Strength Ranking: 9th
     
  27. LazyWaka Bringer of Darkness Moderator

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    Most of the tailed beasts power compared to eachother was never specifically stated and has only been slightly implied to involve the # of tails. The only one who's place was Known was Kyuubi (as the databook and interviews constantly state that he was the strongest.)

    Except most of the tailed beasts dont even resemble their mythological counter parts. The only ones that do are the 1, 2, and 9 tails.

    The 3 tails is suppose to be a shark.
    The 4 tails is suppose to be a rooster with snakes for tails and uses poison.
    The 5 tails is suppose to be a wolf with each tail representing an element (mirroring the Naruto elemental system.)
    The 6 tails was suppose to be a lightning ferret/weasel.
    The 7 tails constantly changes. I see some sources saying a bat, others saying a badger, and in one case a bull that looks just like a touros from Pokemon.
    And lastly, the 8 tails was suppose to be a dragon-snake with 8 heads and tails.
     
  28. Saturnine Escaping the Wood in Vain

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    It shouldn't be forgotten that Kyubi has had half of his chakra stolen forever by Minato. I'm not convinced that he still has more chakra than Hachibi anyway.
     
  29. WT #for the watch

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    That's Bijuu language for "size doesn't matter".

    We know its bullshit :wink
     
  30. zenieth <img src="http://i.imgur.com/akvex6n.png"></img>

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    Nope that's just flowery bullshit.

    Ichibi's powers have always been

    Wind Bullets
    Sand control
    Dream eating
     
  31. Grimmjowsensei True Hokage

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    Well obviously this.

    Otherwise it is bullfuckingshit. Let me break it down for you.

    Bull(hachibee) >>>>>>>>>> fucking >>>>>>>>>>>> shit(one tails)
    Yeah...
     
  32. Kage

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    he's talking about the heart of the tails or something.

    but in all seriousness i do think it means something to that effect.
     
  33. Skywalker Imperial Conqueror

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    I thought this was always pretty clear.
     
  34. LazyWaka Bringer of Darkness Moderator

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    ^This.

    The whole "it's his mother" thing was just Kishi being a dumbass with trying to flower up Gaara's past. It's adressed that the previous Shukaku jinchuuriki also had sand manipulation (Gaara's was just better because Shukaku was implanted in him before he was born.)

    His dad's gold manipulation was even created for the purpose of nuetralizing SHUKAKU's sand manipulation.
     
  35. zenieth <img src="http://i.imgur.com/akvex6n.png"></img>

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    Dream eating would have been a sweet ass genjutsu if Gaara could have weaponized it.
     
  36. CM Pope The Holy Father

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    It comes down to Kyuubi's assumption being the same as many other peoples: number of tails denotes strength. Hachibi pretty much stated this belief is wrong. Kyuubi's arrogance about that belief is probably what pissed off the Ichibi.

    Consider for a moment that the Sanbi was said to be too stupid to utilise it's power correctly...whereas the Ichibi was capable of speech and using a named Jutsu, in addition to the Bijuu Dama (which they can all perform).
     
  37. hitokugutsu

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    :facepalm

    Gaara's Sand control was the Shukaku, but the Shield of Sand which reacted automatically was his mosters doing. So other Suna probably had Sand control, but no automatic Shield like Gaara. No contradiction here, In fact this was even stated in part I already

    Also both Kyuubi & Hachibi statements are true. Tobi already remarked that the Sanbi was easy to capture because he lacked a host and was less powerful. Which mean Biju with a host are more versatile/skilled/powerfull then traditional Biju.
    So yess, 9 tails, might be stronger then 8 tails, but Bee+Hachibi perfect Jin combination would probably wipe the floor with Kyuubi if he goes solo without Naruto
     
  38. Turrin 玄武

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    The Number of tails determines how much chakra or raw power a Bijuu has, but raw power is not the only thing that makes people strong in this verse. A huge part of it also depend son how that raw power is applied. So if for instance Shukaku was to utilize his raw power to a greater degree of efficiency than the Two Tails, he could end up more difficult to defeat than the 2-tails.
     
  39. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey Advisor

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    No, all it means is that the power scale isn't linear from 1 to 9. Like for instance the one 3 tails could be stronger than the 5 tails and 2 tails but weaker than the 1 tail.

    It would be impossible for any of them to surpass the ten tails, how can a part be greater than the whole?
     
  40. Summers look at my sig

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    sure ok. Kyuubi still owns them all so yeah.
     
  41. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    It's okay guys, just believe it when the girl tells you that it isn't the size that matters.
     
  42. Summers look at my sig

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    FUcking lol, too bad already repped you for the kyuubi van thing.
     
  43. Stermor Active Member

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    while hachibi said more tails means more power... kyuubi made it clear he disagrreed and was still superior to all others...
     
  44. ? &nbsp;

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    Hachibi doesn't know better, you shouldn't listen to him.
     
  45. OneHitKill Undeniably One Sexy Ass Bitch

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  46. Wizard Sorcerer Supreme

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    He's just BS so hopefully kyuubi will help while at the same time making it seem like he isn't weaker than the kyuubi (hachibi)
     
  47. Samehada The Tailess Bijuu

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    I think the tails represent potential more than anything. Also, the Kisame had what is considered a Bijuu amount of chakra but he was defeated but a mere man with green tights and awkward hair. No one is stronger, its just how well they perform during that battle. The Nine-Tails may have unlimited chakra, but if isnt as good in combat as the One-Tail, then of course the One-Tail will win. Thats what he means.
     
  48. BIGnBLAZED Tee YorkCity of MCM

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    Kyuubi was right, eff dat lml. Hachibi needs to step up nd stop gettin dat ass kicked
     
  49. Klue 輪廻

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    Of course he isn't speaking literally. :sag
     
  50. Golden Circle .

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    This is a corollary to the idea that strength isn't determined by how big your muscles are, it depends how you use it. For example, even a man that's slight of build can knock down a stronger man if he hits him skillfully.
     

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