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[Spoilers] Biju Mode Naruto vs Rinnegan Madara

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by SuperSaiyaMan12, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Note: Naruto has more than five minutes in Biju Mode. Assume he can at least last an half-hour.

    Battlefield: Madara vs The Kages
    Starting Distance: 100 Meters
    Knowledge: Madara knows as much about the current Naruto as Kabuto does, and Naruto knows as much about Madara as his clone did.
    Restrictions: Meteor Technique, Kurama Control/Suppression

    Who wins? Also note that Naruto starts in Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode initial and Madara starts with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, and Madara isn't an Edo here.
     
  2. Jak N Blak Jakanese run shit.

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    Yes someone with a brain makes it non-edo Madara. Now we can have an interesting battle.

    Now I wish it was Naruto fighting this dude instead of the kages. These dudes are just so haxx...shit would go dbz levels...anyway...lets get into it...

    Naruto starts in KCM and Madara with EMS activated...
    Fight should go with them starting with some pretty basic shit. Madara should be the one to kick things off. With a 100m range he might start with one of his large AoE katons or Jump str8t into Susanoo and prep those magatamas. Ofcourse neither will do jack shit since Naruto would easily escape the AoE of either katon with his basic speed...same would be done if confronted with the magatamas.

    Naruto could easily close the distance afterwards and charge in with an FRS but he knows Madara has the rinnengan but shit...if Madara is up in Susanoo he doesnt seem to be able to activate the preta path in conjunction with it if what happened with Onoki is any indication of that being true.

    Madara's susanoo's durability feats aren't that great to think that an FRS can't penetrate or make somewhat of a 'gap' in it. One FRS doesn't get throw? How about 12? or 20? Naruto no longer has a cap on the amount of clones he can make in KCM.

    So after forcing Madara out of susanoo out of susanoo and what-not...Naruto would most likely attempt to finish him off with less chakra-expensive techniques like Rasengan Planet or Rasengan Riot. It won't work ofcourse thanks to preta...fucking preta...

    Naruto would then need to look for a different way to get a hit on Madara. Madara ofcourse would start taking Nardo way more seriously...mokuton comes into play...not sure if Naruto can escape its AoE efficiently. He could summon Bunta, Hiro or Gamaken and tell them to,'fly' so he temporarily escape the mokuton onslaught. Problem now starts because of the pollen and its sleep shit. If his summon is still out, he should be able to hold out until Naruto regains consciousness since the effect doesnt seem to last that long. Just couple seconds...I won't and can't get specific about how long the summon would need to hold out, lol.

    Now you might say why I think the summon could hold out. Well its basically because of its size...it didnt knock out human sized opponents quickly so I wouldnt expect it to knock out a boss summon immediately.

    The thing here is that...I have no clue what Madara could use to force Naruto to using Bijuu mode. KCM is more than enough to take on Madara. Meteors has been restricted...so now...I have nothing further to say...other than...Bijuu mode naruto soloolololols
     
  3. Nikushimi Savior

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    Madara subdues him with Mokuton and steadily drains his power with Fujutsu Kyuin. This fight may last half an hour until Kurama Mode reaches the prescribed limit, or it may end faster than that depending on how much chakra Madara can steal.

    Naruto has a chance but only if Madara gets incredibly stupid and lets him pop off a giant Bijuudama.
     
  4. Vergil642 Nikushimi's Successor

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    Madara absorbs every Kurama empowered chakra based attack casually with Fuujutsu Kyuuin. That means BM's chakra construct Kurama body is gone, Bijuu Bombs are out of the question, Rasengan variants are pointless and Naruto is reduced to Taijutsu and KBs. Which are casually dealt with by Shinra Tensei, epic Mokuton, Susanoo, Amaterasu (assuming Madara has it), Katon: Kouka Messhitsu and probably more. If Madara grabs Naruto once he can soulrip him and its over too. He's also fast enough to react to surprise attacks from A and strong enough to block that level of attack with just his hands.

    Madara's going to win mid difficulty at most 10/10. He's got exactly the right tools to beat Naruto and is generally absurdly powerful too. And that was before his newest feats.
     
  5. TheGreen1 Weilds Dongle of Death

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    Well, Naruto can end this with a Sage Mode clone held inside a Kurama chakra arm holding a Rasenshuriken. Madara absorbs this, and then the clone goes and starts wailing on him. Madara drains the clone, gets turned to stone, and then crushed back into dust. Naruto has the advantage here, as he knows more about Madara and his abilities, than Madara knows about Naruto's. Heck, Naruto could speed-blitz Madara and slap him around. Run and then throw a henged Sage Clone at Madara, who absorbs it like a tool, and then same result

    The Sage Mode Clone is the game changer here. Kabuto doesn't know about Sage Mode, and doesn't know that absorbing one is a pretty fucking stupid idea.
     
  6. Taijukage Active Member

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    madara will have a very hard time. but preta path is naruto's worst nightmare alongside the powers of madara's susano which knocked 5 kage on their ass and has legs, removing its only weakness.
     
  7. TheGreen1 Weilds Dongle of Death

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    Sigh, in my post, I just explained what was up. If this is Naruto minus PIS, who has had to deal with Preta path at least three times now, he knows what can counter that, and he can make it quite easily. Madara is the one who's fucked, since he has no clue about absorbing Natural Energy.
     
  8. αce Puahah.

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    You extended Naruto's Kyuubi time but restricted only Madara in the restrictions?




    However, it doesn't matter. Given the scale of the forest he created, he can subdue Naruto for more than a moment. After that throwing Susano-o attacks at him would be a viable option. Bijuu aren't that great at defending against piercing attacks. Also, the pollen would be a huge problem. Also, if the forest proves enough to make sure he's stuck for a good while, Madara can drain a large portion of his chakra with Preta, enhancing himself in the process.

    He can also run around the battlefield with gigantic Susano-o jumping around and he basically has 6 arms at this point. 4 on Susano-o which can block and maneveur and two on himself which cast jutsu.

    I'll give it to Madara with high difficulty. With the meteor this would be a stomp, so I guess I see where you're coming from.
     
  9. TheGreen1 Weilds Dongle of Death

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    Chakra Roar could quite possibly uproot all those little trees. I mean, it sent five bijuu back quite far with one shot.
     
  10. Taijukage Active Member

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    lol naruto has "dealt' with preta path yet used rasengan on nagato seconds after realising that nagato had all of pains powers.
     
  11. Mister Banned

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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Preta Realm can absorb Naruto's Bijuu Shroud.

    Previously I would say Naruto's chance of victory would be to allow Madara to absorb his shroud then enter SM whilst the absorbing process takes place; Madara would be stone.

    Now, Madara has the Flower Tree World which can make Naruto unconscious by simply breathing.
    Naruto certainly has the potential to push Madara, arguably thee best potential in the battledome as of now. However the Mokuton really edges it to Madara- he won't have to use absorption for anything more than defensive purposes.
    Mokuton can even bind Naruto's full Bijuu form: should a flower spawn close enough, Naruto is out.

    If the objective is to kill, Madara can proceed to safely absorb the chakra from the unconscious Naruto. From there he can choose to: absorb Naruto's chakra till he dies; crush Naruto with Mokuton; use Susanoo to crush him; incinerate Naruto with a Katon.

    Without the meteorite Madara still has options.


    -- this is me excluding logical reasoning using all the sources we have and only focusing on feats; using the former I would bring in the Rinnegan and Mangekyou Sharingan ocular powers too --​
     
  12. Jak N Blak Jakanese run shit.

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    Hold dup. Madara gets blitz'd
     
  13. Kenpachi TZ Away

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    Hashirama's Mokuton pwned 9 Bijuu. Madara has Mokuton, EMS, Rin'negan and drops meteors the size of Everest around for hell of it too.

    ... I'm reaaaaaally failing to see how this is much of a fight particularly for a Jinchuuriki.
     
  14. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    We don't know how many Biju Hashirama had in his possession.

    Naruto kicked the ass of five Biju at once.
     
  15. Kenpachi TZ Away

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    Oh, my bad. Though fact still holds: Mokuton > Bijuu. Does it matter how many tails there are ESPECIALLY when Madara has enough chakra to double stack Meteor no Jutsu and has enough to still be a challenge to multiple Kage where (Nagato flirts with the Reaper with a simple Chibaku Tensei)? By the way, what is the official name of "Meteor no Jutsu" anyways?

    Just my 2 cents,
    Kenpachi TZ.
     
  16. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Mokuton is greater than the Biju when they are just mindless animals or are not fighting at their full power while being controlled. As a Jinchuriki, Naruto can use Kurama's full power while Madara, Tobi, and Hashirama just scratch the surface.

    There is also the speed advantage that Naruto has, if you recall. Fast enough to bat away five Bijudama with just movement alone.
     
  17. Kenpachi TZ Away

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    Seeing as this internet bug forces me to write posts where I manually write in BB code, you'll forgive this post's lack of panels. I'll give you page references instead... and as I'm too lazy to go to wiki to reference the Path's names, I'll just name abilities instead.

    First off, Kurama control/suppression restriction... what does that mean exactly? Because aside from invading Naruto's consciousness and making Kurama his bitch like Sasuke did once, there is no direct interaction with Kurama in any form.

    Proof? Curious as to how you can prove that two of the greatest shinobi other than the Rikudou Sennin in the Narutoverse failed to utilize or otherwise suppress a Bijuu at the fullest extent of their powers.

    Speed is the only asset Naruto has in this fight. Because everything else is against him.

    Let me begin by noting that Madara's EMS is hyped basically as the pinnacle of Uchiha and his Rin'negan is potent enough to effortlessly pull two meteors out of orbit and smash the shit out of everything. Not only is that bad enough, he showed us by pulling Meteor no Jutsu while inside Susano'o and actually using to form seals that he can potentially use both doujutsu abilities in free combination.

    ::Base/SM/KN4-6 Naruto::

    Pwned. Plain and simple.

    ::Kyuubi Chakra Naruto::

    Susano'o with Mechanical Armor for defense, along with Chakra Absorption should Naruto's Chakra Arms be able to somehow pass through Susano'o or from up the ground.

    Shinra Tensei to disrupt Naruto's movements and pwn any Kage Bunshins Naruto might sneak into using Henge no Jutsu as the environment (assuming the Rin'negan loses its chakra seeing ability of the Sharingan) along with Amaterasu as Naruto attempts to brace himself or gets thrown away or Mokuton to lock away his chakra and pin him to the ground after where he comes over and Deva Path's the rest until Naruto's unconscious.

    Even Sage Mode Petrification won't work for it operates on the principle of overwhelming one's chakra... and Madara has an impossibly huge chakra.

    ::Bijuu Mode Naruto::

    Chp. 297, Page 9: As shallow a copy as Yamato is and as far as his Mokuton pales to Hashirama's (or Madara's), he stated Mokuton forcibly suppresses the Kyuubi Chakra and his shallow abilities with Mokuton can still suppress KN4 Naruto. In the hands of anybody like Hashi or Madara, that means V2 Jinchuuriki Mode, KCM and BM can all be put to a grinding halt.

    And he can use Shinra Tensei to potentially overpower BM's strength given how OP it is in his use, could enter Naruto's Inner World and dispel the Kyuubi chakra as Sasuke managed to do once, or simply spare himself the effort and create a Chibaku Tensei to pull in and trap BM as Pein did with the real Kyuubi. Then he crucifies Naruto with a Mokuton cross and bleeds him dry with Chakra Absorption, torches him with Amaterasu, smashes him with a Banshou Tein or simply pushes the entire thing into space for the lulz of it all. :-/

    Seriously, Madara is overkill enough. Allowing him Mokuton is like pulling a Hiroshima to make toast. That effectively allows him to solo the Narutoverse... as he is currently doing so in canon.

    Just my 2 cents,
    Kenpachi TZ.
     
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  18. Corax Active Member

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    Madara is the hardest match possible for any biju power user, even harder than Nagato. On top of Fuujutsu Kyuuin he has Shodai s mokuton. These jutsu are more than enough to defeat Naruto since his main strength comes from biju mode. Of course he can use SM clones but they aren't on a lvl to fight Madara who has the Rinnegan+Susano.
     
  19. TheSweetFleshofDeath Active Member

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    And if Susanoo isn't enough for Bijuu bomb, preta path is.
     
  20. Roman NO GA FURUERU

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    Madara would probably win this by Preta Path. He doesn't have the speed to keep up with Naruto in order to attack him directly, but absorbing Kyuubi's chakra would give him more chakra. No chakra based attack would work on Madara, and that's practically everything that Naruto has in full Kyuubi Mode. The question then becomes how much chakra can Madara actually absorb via Preta Path?

    The only way I can see Naruto winning this one is if he uses a clone to gather Natural Chakra after Madara absorbs all the Kyuubi chakra that he can (could be all of it even), and lets himself get caught like he was when he fought Pain and actively draws it into himself until it starts to overcome Madara.
     
  21. TheGreen1 Weilds Dongle of Death

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    Sigh. I will say this once more. I think Preta path is actually Madara's downfall. If Naruto fights smartly, and I'd hope so since when he's in BM or SM, he seems to be far more serious and intelligent. Either way, he could do this:

    Spoiler:
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    Imagine instead putting a Sage mode Clone in there. When he starts absorbing chakra, he's getting that Natural Energy. Madara doesn't know about Sage Mode's absorption problems, and he's going to fall for it like a tool if Naruto uses this. Anyways, to make a long story short, he absorbs the sage mode clone, and he gets turned into stone.
     
  22. Joakim3 Active Member

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    Yes that would work if that was Nagato (baring he decided to start nuking himself)

    Unlike Nagato, Madara doesn't have to solely rely on Fujutu Kuyin of Shinra Tensei for defense, Madara has the former + Mokuton + Sasuno'o to create a barrier to protect himself on top of you know......dodging?

    Secondly in order for the Nature energy trick to work Madara would have to directly come into contact with a clone or Naruto himself, this would never happen as they would have to get through Sasuno'o first which, it doesn't help the Madara can use Fujutu Kuyin and Sasuno'o simultaniously

    If Naruto can get Madara out of Sasuno'o or Madara being IC decides to be super cocky and try 1 vs. 10 combat against a Sage/RM clones by all means your theory works if not than Naruto is royally fucked
     
  23. Corax Active Member

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    This will be a huge PIS since he can destroy them with shinra tensei or his newest big katon.
     
  24. Joakim3 Active Member

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    lmao I know.......I wouldn't put it against him....He's on Sasuke/Nagato level of arrogance :facepalm
     
  25. Rosencrantz Active Member

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    I have yet to see anything Madara has used (FEATS DON'T FORGET) that Naruto really could not counter. Susano gets smashed through with a bjuu bomb. Mokuton? A chakra roar that sent 5 bjuus flying back is not good enough to get all of that pollen/mokuton away from him? Naruto has perfect counters for his jutsu since he has the speed even when not in Full Bjuu Mode to avoid everything he throws at him and then in Full Bjuu Mode, he can blow through all defenses he could put up. The only issue would be his chakra absorption. But seriously what manga are we all reading? Naruto has faced this ability so many times that it is hard to imagine that he could not deal with it. Naruto already showed that he can use Sage Mode with his Kage Bunshins so after he absorbs some Sage chakra he turns to stone. AND keep in mind he does not always have the chakra absorption active. A well time bjuu bomb/rasengan variant could do wonders.

    Using feats I am surprised people think Naruto has no chance sheer speed and chakra roar negate so much of what he can do anyway.
     
  26. Deshi Basara OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, SEE YA

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    Completely agreed with this!
     
  27. TheGreen1 Weilds Dongle of Death

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    He could, at least for the kage's. However, Madara can't use that Meteor attack here, at risk of killing himself. This isn't Edo Madara. He's quite able to die. And another thing, is he immune to his own poison/flowers? Logic says he should be, but hey, he's not Hashirama, he could kill himself, hoist himself by his own petard as one could say.
     
  28. ImSerious Active Member

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    What is this about subduing Naruto with Mokuton? He sent 5 Bijuu's flying with a roar, get that shit outta here.

    Ima go with this. :blinditachi
     
  29. Turrin 玄武

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    Whether BM Naruto even has a chance depends on if Madara can absorb Naruto's giant Bijuu dama with Preta Path & Madara can react in time to put up Susano'o to defend against a BM Naruto blitz. If Madara can do these things than Naruto even with BM and the restrictions placed on Madara has no chance to win. If Madara can't do these or can't do one of these things than the battle becomes anyones game since BM Naruto would have a chance to defeat Madara with one of these attacks, while Madara would have a chance to defeat Naruto with Flower Tree World, restraining him for the instant necessary to knock him out with the pollen.
     
  30. itsamemario Member

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    Madara would still be too much for Naruto. And lets not forget Madara has Izanagi that Naruto has no knowledge of.

    Izanagi feint + Soul rip combo wins this no problemo.
     
  31. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    ...does this Madara even have Izanagi? That was Tobi who performed it, remember? And not only that, Madara hasn't displayed Soul Rip.
     

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