Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by ℜai, Jan 7, 2017.
SC1: The Last Naruto
SC2: Boruto Adult Naruto
Inb4 hurr durr Mokuton > Jinchuuriki
And , inb4 Hurr durr god gates or SS
Hashirama uses hand seals for his Jutsu , and in the next second his is looking at his own body because his head is now in Naruto's hand who just blitzed him .
Anything below SS is garbage and is not even worth mentioning .
Mokujin gets raped with TBB as pre canon .
Jukai koutan gets destroyed as pre canon .
Kajukai Korin gets nuked with a FRS .
Kurama avatar tanks Chojo Kebutsu with low damage at best and a laser TBB like the one that nuked the Otsutsuki's golem to the outer space destroys what's left of it .
This is of course assuming he's gonna live long enuff to wave a hand seal in the 1st place which won't happen
Scenario 02 :
I was thinking this was war arc BSM HAshirama utterly rapes that one but the last and boruto hashi isn't going to realize he is already dead
Yeah, but the distance is
That's an entire kilometer.
And gates require only one handseal.
Good thing he can do this cool thing called closing the distance .
Naruto and Sasuke in base went from the land of lightning where the 4th shinobi war to the valley of the end before Hagoromo could say few words to Kakashi . Just saying
You mean the shit that Madara destroyed by standing up ? or the ones Juubito wrecked with his chakra arms that were overowered by a 50 % Kurama avatar?
Just saying .
Since when has the Gates ever hit a target that wasn't stationary? Even if they can Hashirama will struggle trying to hurt Naruto, let alone kill him.
Hashirama's strongest attack is < an attack Naruto tanked at a fraction of his full power. So unless you think Chōjō Kebutsu packs more energy than X, it isn't killing anyone other than disposable clones.
On the other hand, one punch from Naruto have made stronger individuals go night-night.
Naruto destroys him
Boruto movie Naruto could send aliens to a freaking space with rasengan
-- can't combat SS without TBB, and he can't attack with TBB unless he wants to die from his own attacks
-- can't break out of myojinmon without losing his defense,
-- can't tank Chojo kobetsu either with his defense and certainly not without it
-- any weaker attack such as FRS or rasengans are flat out trash
Hashirama mid/high diffs
He doesn't need TBB. Hashirma's SS is at best country level, and 100% BSM Naruto from The Last tanked Toneri's small planet level sword without a scratch, and later overpowered it. SS's best feat is destroying EMS Madara's Susanoo + hurting Kurama. 100% BSM Naruto > Toneri chakra sword >>> Toneri casually moving the moon = small planet level >>>>>>> SM Hashirama's SS > EMS Madara's Kurama cloaked Susanoo = country level. SS wouldn't scratch BSM Naruto.
"can't break out of myojinmon without losing his defense,"
Myojinmon was broke out of by Juubito, using his raw strength. Toneri moving the moon is a greater feat than anything Juudara has done and Juudara is >>>> Juubito. The Last BSM Naruto > Toneri > Juudara >>> Juubito >>> SM Hashirama's Myojinmon. Those gates got fodderized by Juubito, they wouldn't hold The Last BSM Naruto down for a second.
"-- can't tank Chojo kobetsu either with his defense and certainly not without it"
Chojo kobetsu destroyed EMS Madara's Kurama cloaked Susanoo, which makes it at best country level. Toneri is small planet level via moving the moon and he couldn't sctatch The Last BSM Naruto. If a small planet level chakra sword couldn't scratch him, then Chojo kobetsu gets tanked without a scratch as its massively inferior to someone like Toneri.
"any weaker attack such as FRS or rasengans are flat out trash"
He doesn't need FRS or rasengan. BSM Naruto punched through Toneri's small planet level sword, BSM Naruto doesn't need jutsu to win. BSM Naruto breaks through Myojinmon with physical strength, tanks SM Hashirama's Chojo kobetsu , and then proceeds to destroy the Buddha with a punch.
BSM Naruto from The Last low difs SM Hashirama.SM Hashirama can't beat BSM Naruto after the 4th War. The Last BSM Naruto > Toneri > Juudara > 4th War SPSM Naruto > Juubito >>> SM Hashirama > 4th war 50% BSM Naruto.
The Last Naruto was blocking moon splitting attacks while in base with Kurama pulling nearly all of his chakras away from Naruto to fight a space golem. He was attacked directly by the moon splitter twice, and it did nothing to him both times, while in a considerably weakened state.
Full powered BSM Naruto basically laughs off the majority of Hashirama's offense and guns him down with shunshin & TBB long range assaults if he feels his cloak can't handle the SS punches in close though there's nothing that suggests it couldn't or that the statue would even be capable of touching an avatar that fast.
As far as returned TBB being an issue, that's impossible as the Mokuton structure couldn't hit BSM Naruto even it weren't carrying a highly dense chakra bomb in one of it's hands, and Hashirama wouldn't be capable of tracking Naruto's speed and reacting to his bijuudama before they detonated on the statue, you're talking about a speed difference comparable to that of Raikage to kid Konohamaru, Hashirama wouldn't even see the orange flashes.
It's debatable whether he'd be capable of tracking War-arc BSM Naruto spree shunining let alone post-rikudo 100% Last BSM Naruto flashing around him in a full avatar. Call Naruto Casper the Friendly Ghost, that's what he'd be to Hashirama's eyes- a ghost.
To put this battle in perspective, The Last Sasuke obliterated a crashing meteor several times the size of the shinobi village with a basic Chidori that pre-rikudo could barely puncture Ei's cloak. The jump in power was several hundred multiples for both shinobi, that same jump applies to Naruto as much as it does to Sasuke - especially when he's in BSM which essentially multiples his already several hundred multiplied boost base capabilities post-rikudo even more. It's great having a bijuu that puts you over the top of your dojustu god buddy.
Mokuton tossing back TBBs at Naruto while he just stands there is probably the stupidest argument i read this week .
So is BSM naruto
The only reason it cut down the moon because the blade spanned larger than the moon itself
The blade failed to cut down a chakra fist from BSM naruto when the far superior RSM shroud was breached by a mere katana
All this means is that pound per pound damage of toneris blade is trash.
Not even the RSM avatar which is far above the full BSM avatar would tank Chojo kobetsu with no damage
Bold is flat out wrong since toneris blade won't scratch SS, not when a mere fist from uncloaked naruto can tank it. And when there's more than enough evidence of a far superior defense from naruto getting breached by far weaker attacks
Yeah it won't scratch it.
It will flat out kill him
Db4 has already stated that base mokujin is on par with full kyuubi
Add SM buff to both, and SM mokujin = Full BSM avatar in durability
SM mokujin was on par with madaras PS as the manga showed
Guess what Chojo canonically busted in the manga,
Hint: it was PS which is on par with full BSM avatar in durability
Lol toneri didn't move the moon through his raw strength
So a terrible ass point already
Myojinmon being broken out through raw strength is a feat of Juubito
Doesn't discredit the fact that it pinned down V3 juubi like a bitch
And till then
When it comes to physical strength
V3 juubi >>>>>>>>> BSM avatar
Stopped reading when you had fkn BSM naruto above juudara
Slap yourself if you think that toneri who got punked by a punch from BSM naruto is above Madara who was stated to be stronger than RSM naruto
And yes. Myojinmon pins him down like a bitch. Absolutely no physical feat from full kyuubi that put it any where even close to juubi
Already addressed this flawed reasoning
A punch from BSM naruto destroying SS? Lol perhaps the stupidest argument I have ever heard
That punch isn't even close to a regular BSM TBB
SS can tank 10 of those at the very least
Lol, naruto resorting to just landing a punch would just result in 1000 mountain dwarfing hands turning him into dog shit in the park
Manga has already established that Hashirama >> any naruto without RSM
Last naruto gets mid diffd by all feats
Manga BSM naruto gets stomped
I'm done here.
Perhaps the worst comparison list I have ever seen
Juudara > SPSM naruto > Juubito >> Hashirama > last naruto > toneri >> manga BSM naruto
Naruto beats Hashirama in both scenarios.
Some people seem to forget that The Last Naruto unleashed what seems to be at least a 50% Kurama avatar out to combat the golem. And BSM Naruto without that amount of chakra still made hundreds if not thousands of clones, still tanked that moon-splitting attack, still got around TSB's, and still trashed Toneri in one punch. 100% BSM Naruto would be overkill.
And it is absurd to think Hashirama would stand a chance against an Otsutsuki wielding the equivalent dojutsu of the Rinnegan.
Well Toneri is stronger than Naruto, the only reason he lost is because he didn't puppet reincarnation technique, he show just after than he can use it and that Naruto can do nothing about it
Not saying Hashirama has a small chance, he is killed before he can do anything
The tier list is obviously
Kaguya - Hagoromo - FF Momoshiki - Juubidara = Toneri - Naruto - Sasuke - Juubito >>>>>> Hashirama ( who himself admitted it )
Hmm, I wonder what make you laugh
Kaguya and Hagoromo shouldn't be questionned
Final form Momoshiki is superior to Naruto or Sasuke but weaker than the two of them combined
Juubidara can probably beat them one on one and Toneri can just use chakra drain and win as per the end of the movie that people seems to ignore but I don't know why
Juubito was beaten by 50% BSM and EMS Sasuke + 10 fodder so he isn't stronger than either Naruto or Sasuke and Hashirama himself said that Retard Juubito was stronger than him so he is fodder to Juubito
No, Naruto trashed Toneri with only BSM. He didn't even use SPSM.
If Juudara was taking on Rinnegan Sasuke AND SPSM Naruto, what makes you think he is equal to someone who got trashed by BSM Naruto?
He didn't use RSM because the movie was still in production in 2012
I'm not sure, but The Last Naruto is augmented by >50% Rikudou's chakra which would be a tremendous boost even without using the greater and more illustrious Rikudou Senjutsu. Mokuton has the inherent advantage against Bijuu while Yoton has an inherent advantage against Mokuton and Naruto managed to accomplish such a feat that blazed through the Shinju.
I'll be leaning towards Naruto unless someone dissuades me from believing so.
boruto the movie naruto was using RSM so he'll trash hashi, but the last naruto vs hashirama would be a good one, cuz hashi already whooped full kurama + PS, so its not gonna be as easy as people are making it out to be,and has a counter for bijuu dama
- either by deflecting it with rashmoun gates
- or grabbing it and tossing it back at naruto
eventhough hashi has the power to fight against bijuu naruto is enhanced by rikudou chakra, sooo.. its hard for me to decide who beats whobut anyone who thinks toneri is even close to madara's power is retarded (no offence) and anyone who also think the last naruto > war arc RSM naruto is also retarded, toneri is the weakest character with rikudou chakra, any rikudou enhanced character beats him bar 1 eyed alive rinne madara
Daaaamn now that's the old Argus analysis' that are thought provoking
But didn't Sasuke have his Rinnegan in the movie?
Plus Naruto having his arm all bandaged and Sasuke missing one.
In fact even Hamura whose name was only revealed after Kaguya was resurrected makes an appearance in the movie.
Clearly Kishi told the movie folks some upcoming secrets. So the power up of the main character himself shouldn't be a secret either.
They already know what the rinnegan look like by that time .
not a big deal.
who said kishi didn't think of him earlier than that?
Sadly the informations begs to differ .
I see people are still posting their Hashirama fanfics in the battledome section. Someone should probably move those
Hashirama is objectively weaker than Toneri and the new age Rikudo bro's
No, the reason it cut through the moon is that it had the power to actually do so; length/width isn't an adequate substitute for substance.
It can exceed the moon's diameter all it wants, if the energy itself is insufficient the blade won't breach the moon's exterior.
Tailed Beast chakra in general has consistently exhibited sublime defensive capabilities throughout the series, specifically against blades/piercing attacks.
Orochimaru's kusanagi unable to breach KN4's shroud after extending several dozen(perhaps hundred) meters
Sasuke's Chidori not so much as leaving a scratch on RSM Naruto's forearm upon hitting him
Kakashi's Rakiri failing to penetrate shrouds of vastly weaker V2 Jinchuuriki
Multiple V1 shrouds defending against Yasaka Magatama and giant kunai without deforming in the slightest.
A KCM clone tanking 3 katana slashes simultaneously
BSM w/o Kurama no-selling a slash from Golden Wheel
BSM w/o Kurama no-selling a shank from Golden Wheel
either Sasuke's katana is special and isn't as weak as you're making it out to be or you're dealing with an outlier.
"Whooped" implies it was a one-sided affair that didn't cost Hashirama his strongest technique.
BD isn't necessary to win.
What does this accomplish when Nardo can simply:
a.) tank it
b.) move the fuck outta the way
Like I already said before, tossing the TBB back is the stupidest argument in this thread
The main factor on whether a bijuudama can be caught and thrown back is size. If the bjiuudama is too damn big then it will just crush whatever mokuton construct tries to stop it(unless it's met with a equally ridiculous mokuton size).
The second factor would be speed, and by that proxy, force of the bijuudama being fired. If it's moving with too much power and speed then the mokuton won't be able to grab it For instance, let's just say hypothetically we use the bijuudama kurama used to send toneri's golem into orbit. Something like that would probably break all but hashirama's strongest mokuton creations with that kind of speed and force.
This is what's gonna happen to Hashirama's Mokuton techniques
Sasuke's Chidori not so much as leaving a scratch on RSM Naruto's forearm upon hitting him
Anyone has a panEl of this?
If it was War arc naruto with 100% kurama restricted to just BSM...hed lose for sure
But in his TL and adult forms?
Hashi has no chance, its a role reversal post war.
Sasukes base stats went up by a ridiculous margin post war, his base chidori went from less than mountain level to
damn-near-the-size-of-a-village level by destroying that meteor in TL...
And his physical speed and strength? Well...
And naruto proved he revieved a similar boost when he kept up with sasuke against monstershiki
Post war naruto and sasuke can hang with full powered otsutsukis solo, otsutsukis are in another realm of power than hashirama could even fantasize about...X X Which was then reinforced by both the second, and third hokages?
Monstershiki>=Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Kinshiki>=<TL Naruto/Sasuke>War Arc Naruto/Sasuke>Juubito>Hashirama
Theres a very clear line here
Hashi gets smashed.
Now we even got confirmation he can contend with God tiers in base:
Yes it is,
by your logic, cutting a watermelon with a sword requires the same amount of power as cutting it clean with a butter knife
Yeah a very stupid argument
Using a weapon that large didnt even require a shockwave, as it was clearly showcased in the manga.
and using a weapon that large is irrelevant against a human sized target when its damage is spread out a distance greater than the circumference of the god damn moon,
so the only part of the blade thats actually hittting the target is a tiny bit, meaning the POUND PER POUND DAMAGE is whats taken into account, and if that failed to cut a chakra fist from an avatarless naruto, then the attack is nothing special. It will not even budge hashiramaas far more durable full fledged mokuton constructs.
no but if it spans a distance that great then the energy required really isnt that high
the actual damage that is dealt to the target is Force per cross sectional area. its called Effective Stress.
so yeah, the greater the area of the attack, the lower the effective damage
literally all of these examples are nigh irrelevant bar the last two which has already been refuted
yeah the same katana which even when augmented by raiton, failed to budge the likes of Ay
unless you think that Ay is moon level now, or unless youre going to tell me that SAsukes katana is stronger than SS then the only logical conclusion is that toneris blade is not as strong as you think it is, and it most certainly wont budge SS when its far more durable than a mere fist .
atleast not its pound per pound damage
And no, this is obviously not an outlier. Because more than enough evidence points to narutos body/fist not being moon level. and of toneris blade having a weak effective force
-- RSM narutos shroud pierced by mere katana. Yes an entity far above a BSM chakra fist
-- a far far superior ashura avatar shit wrecked by VOTE2 clash which wasnt even close to moon level
-- a far superior BSM avatar shit wrecked by a mere drop slam
so far the only arguments i have ever seen relating to toneri, are the usual,
hurr durr, ootsutsuki soo stronk, when the dude is rookie who got shit wrecked by a punch from an avatarless naruto.
a punch with power that isnt even far off from what sakura could manage.
yet im seeing rubbish relating to Narutos body tanking SS, or toneri one shotting it when it failed to scratch a far weaker entity, and when his construct got one shotted by a single BSM TBB, which is far weaker than what chojo can yield
you would only have a point with this, if BSM naruto could actually create a TBB that dwarves SS,
but he cant, nor would hashirama just stand there and let him charge it when a single seal leads to a gate slamming on his head and immobilising him completely
if hashirama was going to move even PS sized quad juubidama away with a fucking jukai kotan, then no way in hell are the TBB from BSM naruto going to budge SS
stupid argument here
Extremely jack-ass argument.
His shittiest TBB could blast away something as big as the Otsutsuki clan golem into orbit in one second , but of course you'd tap dance around that as well , this isn't fucking VotE Kurama that his TBB can be stopped by base Mokujin hand , this post war BSM Naruto augmented with six paths chakra .Look at the gif again , did that Rasengan had to dwarf momo's shinju ? no ? alright .
Lmfao .@bold , read the fucking manga , he said he's gonna need the help of the entire SA to do that , and would probably still fail seeing as Jukai Koutan was trashed by basic Rasengan barrage
I find it funny that VotE Madara can creat 12 TBB with PS swords in time but an adult BSM Naruto can't super charge a TBB when his war arc BM version can charge one that = to 5 TBBs in one fucking panel
The quality of the arguments supporting Hashirama in this thread are pretty lame , i suggest you stop embarrassing yourself more and stop posting in this thread .-snip-
Back to ignore you go.
I made a thread bout toneri's moon cutter in the meta battledome with explanation of how it works.
Not saying hashi necessarily wins so dont get me wrong, its just not gonna be as easy as some of y'all make it out to be cuz hashi;
- fought full kurama + PS and this is full kurama + senjutsu
- he has countered bijuu dama in canon despite it being fired at him, he caught it and sent it back with wood golem,hashi can do that to a bigger bijuu dama with SS arm which is waay bigger than wood golem arm
- thus why madara used PS blade so hashi can't grab it, even then hashi deflected the mofo
Naruto is overall stronger but hashi possesing anti bijuu power is gonna be a pain to deal with, and naruto without going BM is gonna get pummeled by SS, unless any of yall think he can oneshot SS with a punch, and by going BM, hashi hard counters his moves like in canon, wood dragon would also be a pain, and the gates that was shitting on juubi, have'nt said that, i think hashi wins 6/10 times
100% Kurama is stronger Juubi
I think people think the last naruto oneshots cuz they are applying a>b>c logic eventhough its not effective here, naruto no sold a moon cutter and overpowered it, that same technique is gonna one shot hashi. But can the last naruto no sell chojou kebetsu? i think not, cuz they are entirely different techniques.
- naruto is physically superior/faster and has better healing and will definately shit in taijutsu but then again, the fight would end up in an avatar fight which i think hashi would come out victorious cuz i'm finding it hard to believe how kurama can take down SS (when his strongest attacks are sent back at him/are ineffective). And no way is naruto without kurama taking down SS (muri muri)
And is the golem as strong as SS?? claiming beat the golem so he wrecks SS is a shitty logic cuz the otsutsuki golem aint got nothing on SS in power/size and defence. At best the golem is on wood golem level, and SS >>>>>> wood golem (the quality of your arguement is shit too)
Uchihakil's bullshit again
Where did in my post say anything about SS ?? , i said Kurama's standard , casual TBB could blast Toneri's golem into orbit , something stronger than the Mokujin which is Hashirama's second most powerful technique .
Please worry about your BS posts and don't worry about other's ok ? it'd be a great help thank you .
gtfoh with that shit, SS is hashi's strongest attack, you saying kyuubi nuked toneri's golem indirectly means he is nuking hashirama, and hashirma has SS, SS shits on that golem, -snip- and where was it stated that toneri's golem is stronger than hashi's golem? and on top of all that, hashi's golem has a better feat fighting kurama cuz it held and returned kyuubi's bijuu dama while the golem could only regenerate from it.
No , you need to gtfo , and stop posting in this thread if this is the best you can do . i never said that Kurama nukes Hashirama with his standard TBB which what you stupid post indicates . The Last Naruto has enuff firepower to nuke Hashi to hell and back if he goes all out. And yes , Toneri's golem is so far above Hashirama's golem . Hashiram's golem was stated in the DB to be equal to the full Kyuubi . Toneri's golem was fighting on par with and even overwhelming post war six paths enhanced 100 % BSM avatar which >>>>> full Kurama from Hashi and Madar's fight .
And if you think otherwise , let me know right now so i can put you in my ignore list .
hashi drops a gate on kurama's head like naruto did when he was charging a charged bijuu dama, this is a blood lusted hashi, you think he is stupid enough to let naruto charge a giant bijuu dama while he's looking at him??? And you really have poor debating skills resorting to name calling just cuz people dont share your opinion. And hashi's wood golem was equal to 100% kurama without SM buff, SM buffs the golem even further
And again, moukhtun golem unlike otsursuki golem has bijuu restraining powers, so as i said, a>b>c logic does'nt work effectively in this scenario, and thats just hashi's second strongest attack which is not even close to being as strong as SS
No , youre the one who started the name calling , the gates's best feats are holding down stationary targets like an already defeated Edo Madara and a Retarded Obito who didn't even bother breaking from a mere Mokuton clone bind .
Sensing + body flicker means the gates are never landing and if they do , simply undoing the avatar + body flicker gets rid of them . Wonder where the hurr gates were when Hashi was fighting Madara Lmfao.
an emaciated Kurama can charge a giant TBB in one panel , adult six paths enhanced BSM Naruto does it in much much lesser time .
- People still think top tiers can tang with six paths empowered characters .Lmao
Does the same SM buff makes him on par with six paths chakra enhanced BSM Kyuubi with a perfect Jinchuuriki ?
Yeah , didn't think so either .
You started the name calling by saying "uchihkils bullshit post" and this is about the only matchup i see a non rikudou enhanced character beat a rikudou enhanced character due to moulhtun hard countering bijuu.
Kurama charging bijuu dama is not as fast as hashi dropping gates, all the instances where kurama charges a bijuu dama he takes some seconds, and saying hashi can't tag kurama (a big target) when hashi got smaller targets (not only a big target, but a target thats stationary charging an attack is ridiculous), SS murks kurama, kurama needs its strongest attack to contend, which he is restrained from using and drained by wood dragons, hotei hands, myoujin mun and the golem
This is like saying Yamato beats KCM Naruto because of the hurr durr mokuton advantage .
What you should learn is that such advantage is nulled when the Naruto is so far above Hashirama here that the mokuton advantage becomes irrelevant .
Sharingan and Rnnegan has a natural advantage against the Bijuu as well , but Naruto can fight on par with Sharingan and Rinnegan users .
- I tell him how he counters the gates .
- Completely ignores everything i said .
Keep dreaming that the gates are doing shit , sensing + body flocker mean it aint happening , and if they do by some miracle , he simply turns off his avatar and uses a body flicker , please understand this point in your hand cuz i ain't adressing it again .
Hashirama goes for a hand seal and the next second , his head is in Naruto's hand who just took it with a blitz , Naruto shits on his mouth , end of story . I should probably stop wasting my time , you clearly have nothing to offer in this thread .
Don't quote me again , unless you have something to say other than hashirama wank . And i say wank because the manga clearly established that Naruto surpassed all the Hokages by the war arc while we're sitting here debating this shit , lmfao .
i responded to that
> you said the gates aint tagging naruto yea? i said hashi tagged smaller targets (madz and juubito) and kurama is a large target, meaning easier target
> you claim sensing and shuunshin would let naruto avoid the gates
- how does he shuunshin when he is charging a charged bijuu dama??? as i said, hashi dropping gates is faster than kurama charging a CHARGED bijuu dama
> and bout the sensing, a rikudou senjutsu enhanced user was tagged (juubito) naruto with a lesser sensing aint avoiding with with shuunshin all the while charging a bijuu dama
hashi has multiple things and wood constructs to intercept/disrupt naruto
- wood golem
- hotei hands
- wood dragons
- myoujin mun seals
- shinsuu senju
attacks from all directions that naruto has to counter
- above (myoujin mun seals)
- below and sides (hotei hands)
- front (SS, wood golem and dragon)
RSM naruto was said. to surpass kages, even the last naruto beats opponents hashi can't beat (toneri) but it does'nt mean the last naruto would beat hashi unless you prove with feats, last time i checked a character in a tier list might be lower in a list but can beat the character above him due to his power hard countering the one above him, but that does'nt make he/she stronger overall. This is that scenario
It one shotted the golem with a TBB
Though it's a completely irrlevant argument here when it packed just as much power as a regular TBB from full kyuubi
Output that's nowhere near enough to budge even hobi, let alone SS
Is the golem even close to SS in durability?
No it fucking isn't, -snip-
And lol even if he has rikudo chakra. It will Be negligible in this form. Sincd narutos buff is SPSM. This form doesn't use SPSM, meaning it's just a regular Full kyuubi with toad SM buff
Nothing would change, if Mokujin pats naruto in the head. He gets put to sleep
Or better yet, Chojo kobetsu comes and turns him into dog shit
Help of the alliance because he was also fighting Madaras PS at the same time.
Not to mention that this is another crap ass argument when SS has 1000 hands (each being much larger than a TBB) so any TBB that naruto may form, just gets sent back to his face and he gets blown to dust by his own attack
Jukai Kotan being busted by rasengans is also irrlevant when its durability is not why it can divert TBB
Creating a barrage of TBB is much faster than charging it to max
Stupid ass point yet again
Full kyuubi can toss 12 TBB at a time,
Havhibi did 4, BM naruto did 5
Chojo kobetsu travelled at the same speed as those TBB
It took much much longer for BM naruto and hachibi to form a flash TBB since they're poooling a lot more power in that attack
Not to mention that naruto can't make a TBB that will prevent SS from grabbing it. Not when the sheer size of SS is in play and when Chojo can still land, seeing it travelled the same speed as TBB barrage
Just Cus your spanked ass can't handle the cold hard facts, doesn't equate to shitty arguments
When you have the audacity to spout rubbish like rasengans can bust SS or that TBbs momentum prevent SS from grabbing them (when Madara himself had to coat them to prevent that)
Well we know scenario 2 isn't a question then.
That naruto boosted by 100% BSM would blitz Hashirama whether the SS is out or not.
100% Kurama augmented by whatever buttload amounts of Rikudou's chakra he has can be stronger than his Six Paths Sage Mode.
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