Discussion in 'Meta Battledome' started by Will Smith, Jul 4, 2012.
Here you go.
What's an Audit?
What exactly do you want to audit?
I thought Vector Prime was examining for us. Hue.
Everyone don't post until I finish.
Uuum, what is this?
Vector prime explaining how Silver Surfer can solo Saint seiya.
Vector Prime seems to post a lot of rambling non-sense that takes a lot of things out of context as well as realies solely on badly translated English scans.
The whole retarded argument about how all the dead and living Gold Saints after getting the 8th Sense using sunlight to destroy a small portion of the Wailing Wall for the Bronze Saints and being killed in the subsequent backlash of energy was him claiming all 12 equal = a star, specifically the sun in power. If I remember right it was explicitly stated in the French and Spanish and original raw itself that they were just generating SUNLIGHT not POWER since the Wailing Wall's weakness is light itself. Kanon's own suicide blast against Rhadamanthys WITHOUT THE GEMINI GOLD CLOTH destroyed a star system full of planets using a normal Cosmos attack, not even GE or anything else and flew into fucking space.
That alone disproves it.
And remember during Poseidon's, it took the Libra Weapons which are normally sealed and carried by the Libra Saint (Dohko) to destroy most of the Pillars of Atlantis, and these are weapons created originally by Athena. This things massively amp up a Saint's destructive power and are comparable to the output offensively or defensively to the Gold Cloths themselves. Those didn't do a damn thing against the Wailing Wall even with Shaka, Mu, Aiolia, Dohko, and Milo throwing themselves at it.
So yeah, this guy really doesn't know a damn thing and I'll leave it at that.
Now lets start I will begin from Galaxian Wars. Let's how powerful really are Bronze Saints. Notification these are not Bronze Saints which achived 7th sense.
Regular Bronze Saint can move at mach 1 (traveling speed) and achive 100 punches per second. That's reaction time of 10 miliseconds or 20 times better than human. For example Spiderman has 40 times better reactions than regular human, and thus 2 times faster reaction than Bronze Saint. I've seen OBDers claim that Bronze Saints have star+durability. Let's see if that's true:
X here we can see that Seiya has been hurt after force of 1870kg has been aplied on his throat.
X here he gets unconcious after force of 1940kg has been aplied on his throat.
here we can see that force of 4000kg is enough to totaly shatter Bronze Cloth.
Anyway let's see some other feats of Bronze Saints:
Hyoga making about 2m in diamter whole in tick ice, and that's without the armour
X look at the whole. It looks like ice was about 1m thick
X - some little info about his durability
destroying a half of part of a glacier which should be around 6m high with single punch
Famous Dragon Shiryu's waterfall reversing. If check the scans you'll, that it wasn't done by physical strength actually and MORE IMPORTANT HE DIDN'T REVERSED IT AT ALL. JUST ONE SMALLER PART OF WATER GONE UPWARDS IN SHAPE OF DRAGON. Indicating that Shiryu used his signature technique Dragon Fist (for the first time) in order to acomplish a feat. And techniques of Saints don't follow the laws of physics very much.
X - here is the Dragon Fist for comparison with waterfall. So how much force was behind that technique ? Given a fact that Seiya was KOed by 1940kg aplied on his throat, also Dragon Fist wasn't aplied on his throat diretcly, but on his whole body, and the fact Bronze Cloth shatters at 4000kg, we can make some calcs.
Here is Seiya after attack, hurt but not even KOed. So we can say it was more than 2000kg (1940kg was amplied directly on throat this was on whole body) but less than 4000kg. Keep in mind those are regular Bronze Clothes which shatter at 4tons, not improved.
Also if you take 2000kg-4000kg and compare it with waterfall feat, you'll see it's quite enough to produce the burst of quantity of water shown on scans with Dragon's feat.
Furthere you might see hyperboles presented in Dragon's speach (about no one being able to endure his attack...), those hyperboles are present during entire Galaxian Wars(I could post tons of links with those hyperboles but it would be a waste of time ) and they are presenting Bronze Saints as top dogs in the world, so THIER WORDS SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH CAUTION.
With all of the above it's quite obvious that Bronze Saints are high street level (and I see claims they are star + and city level in durability and destructive power). Characters like Midnighter, Spiderman, Venom, Carnage can defeat them. Although Bronze Saints would give a good fight. And before anyone of you SHOUTS: BRONZE SAINTS CAN MOVE AT MACH 1 !!! I must remind you that's a traveling speed and 4 guys that I mention above can react to gun shoots at point blank. Also guys like Sandman can defeat anyone of them 1 on 1. I repeat Bronze Saints aren't helpless agiast those characters I mention which oculd defeat them.
For strenght level of Bronzies:
Striking strength: 5 tons (high end, based on high-end estimations of Hyoga's feat)
Lifting strength: 5-8tons
Before anyone of you yells that Striking strength is too low, I'll remind you that Humphrey brothers can break seven plates of 15cm ice thick ice put togather with ram of the shoulders. See this in order for understanding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Q2p1yLKac&feature=relmfu - skip to 7.50 and watch. That feat was acomplish by what would might be considered lesser peak human
This is the end of part 1. I want to hear some opinions and than i will contiue, since this is practicly my first job of debunking here.
Also everything I posted is the same no matter if Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, French, English or USA text and translations. And why is only for Saint Seiya ''that's wrong translations" exuse widely accepted ? For all other fictions ii really doesn't matter which translations those are. By the way those are 100% accurate translations. Also watch the anime in order to see that what I'm talking is true.
I don't give a shit about the rest, but no one here gives two fucks about the difference between "traveling speed" and "combat speed", and rightfully so
hell, the manga practically even says they can both move and fight at mach 1, with each punch moving at that speed
you're a joke
VectorPrick vs dupe-kun at downplaying.
Vector Prime wants to audit.
This reminds me of Unknown claiming that there were magical hyperspace gates accelerating the Bronzes when they raced from Makai to Elysion or Saga being a Wizard
well the latter is probably true after all Saga > meteor storms with his fist
Ok let's who doens't know a damn thing. I was planing to do this later but I'll do it now. First you claim Kanon destroyed entire solar system. Just to mention Kanon vs Rhadamanthus was done in Underworld no stars and planets down there, but let's see the feat:
Here is the whole instance. Fact is Kanon wasn't flying it's his cloth that we see flying. Second he used Galaxian Explosion to kill himself and Judge. Third those planets which appear on the last link are from Galaxian Explosion. Without debating if Galaxian Explosion has a destructive power of galaxy I think that all are familiar that when Galaxian Explosion is used, illusion of planets appear charging into opponets. Best example that those are illusions is when Saga uses Galaxian Explosion in temple. We see many planets inside the temple, and they are illusions since planet can't be put inside the temple (is much, much bigger in case you don't know ) So those planets are illusions from Galaxian Explosion and this feat is widely used to prove planet busting in Saint Seiya. So all of you can see that it's a hoax.
Now I'll adress the Wailing Wall in other post since it's a cream of the pie and it deserves it's own post.
I don't know what you're arguing Vector, are you saying that the saints are not FTL? That would be silly, btw.
G-canon Wizard Saga
that is the final statement
I hadn't read most of Saint Seiya but I'm pretty sure your looking at low-ends or making false assumptions just from what I remember from watching the anime when I was a kid.
Now for the cream of the pie.
They explain how to penetrate the Wailing Wall
Libra Dohko states that all 12 of them combined, using their maximum power can ONLY REPLICATE POWER OF THE SUN ON SMALL SCALE.
BONUS: X Marin states that almight universal + Hades hates and fears the Sun. Universal + god afraid from a small star such as Sun ? Well in that case he isn't universal at all, he isn't even a star level.
All 12 gold saints have gathered.
You and many other Saint Seiya fanboys claim that all they did was generated the sunlight (which by the way is far less impressive, since all 12 of them needed to unite their max power just in order to generate the sun light). But let's for what they used A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER
X It is used in order for them to power up Aioros's arrow. And by the way that's immense energy for Saints. SO THEY DIDN'T charged sun light/ energy diretcly into a Wailing Wall like you claim. They powered up Aioros's arrow. So A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER WAS USED FOR POWER UP AND NOT FOR LIGHT SHOW.
X - hades uses avatars in order for himself not to be hurt (yes for sure universal level durability). By the way why does the almighty hades - creator of the universes only want to conquer the Earth ? Well since that's his ambition nr.1 he for sure isn't even close to universal level (his feats also confirm this).
By the way ULTIMATE BARRIER of the Gods Wailing Wall being penetrated by small amount of Sun powers, yes SS gods for sure are universal+ and their ultimate creation can be destroyed by Sun's light. Gimme a break with that wanking !!!
So the almighty Gold Saints can only REPLICATE SMALL AMOUNT OF SUN'S POWER WHEN UNITING THEIR MAX POWER
By the way sunligth/sunrays (call it as you want) is a fraction of Sun's power genius(es) X .
They are not FTL. Only Gold Saints are light speed. There is one instance in Episode G(non canon) when Leo Aiolia focuses all of his power in his strike (fist) to achive a low FTL movement, by his words. Anyway Japanese manga states only light speed, so whom you will trust ONLINE FAN TRANSLATED ENGLISH OR ORIGINAL JAPANESE ? Actually it really isn't important since he can't achive that movement by his whole body. He can only move a part of his body if he focuses all of his power in that part. I can post a link of the scan if you want.
And, yet they crossed the Elysium which was stated as being lightyears away in a few moments.
As you said you HAVEN'T READ A MANGA AND ONLY DRAW CONCLUSION FROM A MEMORY. So either listen to someone who has read the manga or read the manga by yourself and rewatch the anime. It's your choice.
I've spawned enough Overlords and constructed additional Pylons, but I have yet to acquire sufficient amounts of popcorn.
So in conclusion Vector doesn't know what he's talking about.
Your avoiding the question. Yep. Your clearly a top notch debater
I forgot to say in my first post towards you that only Saints possible being FTL are God Saints. But scuh thing wasn't:
by any means. It's just an asumption since God Siants are highest ranked and should be faster than Goldies if we go by logic Gold>Silver>Bronze.
Also they didn't crossed the Elysion. They crossed the Hyperdimension. And that's a traveling speed feat. Not to mention that Hyperdimension is identical to wormhole (although it wasn't stated that it's a wormhole) Also there were some inside forces in Hyperdimension.
X - note the words space and time disorted (atribut of wormhole)
X - note the words "we're being carried away from Elysion" so there is some inside force at work.
See. Anyway I'll adress this better in separate post.
>Crossing billions of galaxies
Are you nuts ??? What question ? You haven't even asked one. If you don't have anything smart to say than be gone from this thread !
Or alternatively, if we go by what Thanotos stated:
"I have no need to raise my hand directly on those I wish to kill"
"Like Pandora: even a dozen light-years away"
So, how do you know it's a wormhole?
Shut up, dupe-kun.
Do you see anybody flying ships here?
Edit: Did you miss the scan where Seiya reacted to Thanatos FTL: attack and intercepted it? FTL reflexes confirmed.
You know what, someone just lock this thread.
It's full of raging I’M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME and it isn't even funny.
With our super-competent modding staff, I am confident this thread will go on for at least three days.
Did you miss the scan where Seiya reacted to Thanatos FTL attack and intercepted it? FTL reflexes confirmed.
Check the links I gave you for Hyperdimension.
And, did you miss the part where there's no one arguing this? There's no spaceships here. So, that's a straw man.
I've posted these links before, there's no mention of a worm-hole. It's just that the space is distorted and strange.
You're totaly wrong. Thanatos didn't attack Seiya with that. That was charged to Seiya's sister Seika. Reread that chapter. And you'll see that I'm right.
Yeah, and it's an analogy that is as terrible as you are.
Now how about doing us all a favor and fucking off?
The context of the debate never included room for vehicles, bro.
I didn't say he attacked Seiya with it. If he did then it wouldn't mean anything, since Seiya would have to dodge it to get FTL reactions off that particular feat. I stated that he intercepted it.
Go out and celebrate 4th of July Vector prime instead of doing this bullshit.
Just for the record I'm not American nor do i live in America, so i don't celebrate 4th July. By the way no one here cares about your opinion, so just watch what's going on in this thread and don't spam it with your posts.
Dupe isn't American? That isn't saying good things for non-Americans.
I am guessing Canadian or British.
- that thing glowing in Thanatos hands is nor attack it's image of Earth. he intends to show Seiya his sister's death.
X - this is the actual attack
X - now comes the image you posted. Note the words "I don't need to rais emy hands", and his raised hands are only showing what's happening on Earth. Seiya only stood and that amazed Thanatos since he tought taht Seiya can't stand on his legs anymore.
So as you see Seiya didn't even deflect it. As I said you should reread that part since you were wrong.
How powerful is Athena Exclamation ? Well it's definatelly above Galaxian Explosion, but exactly how powerful ? It's a Big Bang on the small scale, but what amount ? Well see for yourselves fans and fanboys here it is:
-http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/21-003.0/compressed/k2163.jpg - the explosion is about city block at best. It was outside of Shaka's temple and it killed him
X - effect's of the explosion. It leveled a field outside of Shaka's house.
The size of the field which was destroyed. Also as seen the temple is intact. So from this we can conclude:
- 2nd most powerful attack of the Gold saints Athena Exclamation (the most powerful is the one used to penetrate the Wailing wall) is only a city block buster at high end.
- none of the Gold Saints have city block durability since non of them can endure Athena Exclamation.
So let me see who's gonna dismiss this ? It's a picture worth 1000's of words and it only shows something about city block in size being destroyed.
Just a minor edit since I forgot. Field was destroyed from temple to those 2 trees shown. Here are the scans confirming that:
see the grass and the flowers close to the trees ? It definately confirms it's a city block in size and that's a high end. Somebody can do a calc is he wants.
Hey, why are you on green??
Question, if it's Big Bang on a small scale, then dosent it make sense that the range would be alot smaller, and the power is compacted into that small size?
hey guys, the explosion of Cell's blast that injured SSJ2 Gohan isn't even city-block sized
that means SSJ2s aren't even city-block level
Such thing wasn't stated. And such asumption is wrong. Since going by your asumption it would mean that Athena Exclamation should only kill Shaka and not level the area around him, since Shaka was the target, they aimed Athena Exclamation into him. We see that Shaka got killed and area around him destroyed, which means that explosion had a yield and power wasn't compacted. By the way it could be 1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000 of Big Bang. We claarly see that it was amount which is enough to level a city block (200m x 100 m) in area rough estimation.
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