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Orochimaru vs Itachi and EMS Sasuke

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Orochimaruwantsyourbody, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Active Member

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    Location: Konoha

    Distance: 25 meters

    State of mind: IC

    Knowledge: Manga

    Orochimaru has the four Hokages for Edo Tensei
     
  2. Nikushimi Savior

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    Itachi clone feints past the Edo Hokage, grabs Orochimaru, and uses Genjutsu to force him to end the Edo Tensei.

    Then he kicks the piss out of Oro and calls it a day. Sasuke...I don't know...watches.

    Nothing has changed.
     
  3. Pirao Trollslayer

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    If Orochimaru can control them like Kabuto did, he rapes.
     
  4. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Yeah cause obviously the some of strongest kages(And characters.) in the series are going to fall for a simple feint from itachi. And are just going to stand around while itachi undoes edo tensei without trying to stop him and orochimaru ain't gonna do anything to stop him. :giogio

    You gotta lay off the itachi wank niku. There are plentty of other FAR more quality characters in the series you can glorify over him.
     
  5. Nikushimi Savior

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    ?

    It's not even wank.

    Hiruzen by himself was able to pull off Shiki Fujin against two of these Edo Tensei AND Orochimaru himself simultaneously...with his vision blacked-out.

    Itachi's much faster, and it wouldn't take more than a well-timed swap with a clone to distract the zombies long enough to get to Orochimaru and end the Jutsu.

    Or, knowing how well Orochimaru controls them anyway, Itachi could probably just take them on directly, seal them all, and still wipe the floor with Oro.
     
  6. ImSerious Active Member

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    Explain to me how Edo Minato doesnt solo this.
     
  7. Nikushimi Savior

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    Because it's Minato with Orochimaru's intelligence, reaction time, and skill.

    Or, perhaps more accurately, Orochimaru with Minato's Jutsu in another body he's not accustomed to using.
     
  8. ImSerious Active Member

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    Not if Oro lets Minato fight freely.
     
  9. Nikushimi Savior

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    I don't think Orochimaru would want to let him do that, considering who he'd be more likely to turn on. :lmao
     
  10. ImSerious Active Member

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    Cant he let Minato keep his personality while forcing him to fight them? Like Kabuto did to Itachi.
     
  11. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    Edo Forms are not significantly more powerful than their living selves when left free to fight. We have yet to see an Edo Tensei come back and be 10X better, they all fight IC and non of them have over abused their stamina. Edo Minato is just Minato with Regen, and in the case of a long fight:unlimited chakra(which is the only time that factor even matters, as once again we have yet to see an Edo spam their trumps, or abuse their chakra.)

    This match all depends on if the Hokages are sealed or not, if not EMS Sasuke hits them all with Ama Shurikens, Itachi blitzes with Totsuka on the Kages /Oro, and or just goes for Oro with Tsukuyomi.

    If the Kages are allowed to roam free Team Uchiha puts up a decent fight,(and actually has a slight chance at winning pending on if Sasuke can allow room for Itachi to reach Oro, but that is slight) until Itachi runs out of juice, and then they die.
     
  12. Nikushimi Savior

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    If Orochimaru actually has that type of seal, then Minato can still shout out warnings of his attacks before he uses them the way the other zombies were doing. He also doesn't necessarily have to attack unless Orochimaru compells him to with a hand-sign; otherwise, he's free to stand around and chat or let attacks hit him like Nagato did.

    So no matter what, he's not gonna be able to fight with his full power unless he willfully decides to help Orochimaru out. But since the state of mind is in-character...that's not gonna happen.
     
  13. richard lewis Active Member

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    This is true, but still all 4 kages I think would be too much for them to handle and still take Oro out. by hype hashi could potentially solo them, throw in the other 3 and sasuke isn't going to be able to do much. Itachi will have to babysit sauce like he did with kabuto except this time he dealing with 5 opponents instead of 1 and atleast 2 of the kages "minato and hashi" if not all 4 are stronger than kabuto was. I still think we need to get more feats from both the kages themselves and from how well oro can utilize edo tensai b4 we can say for sure who wins.
     
  14. xigloox Active Member

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    rapestomp orochimaru wins.

    Leech all creation out of sight, hide behind a few buildings. Edo hokage spank the Uchiha. Do I need to go into detail how the 4 hokage are superior to Sasuke and Itachi in every way?
     
  15. Orochimaru800 Active Member

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    stupid thread. With all 4 kages(including minato) present and without restrictions, orochimaru doesn't need to fight. He just has to sit back and watch.

    i normally dont agree with XIGLOOX, but he/she is right.
     
  16. Shinryu U wot m8

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    Edo Minato blitzes the unholy fuck out of them or just teleports rasengans in their heads :zaru
     
  17. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    Normally, yes they would be.

    However, this is not Hashirama the landscape devastator, or Minato the Kyuubi slayer. These are the midless zombies an old, decaying Hiruzen was able to take down without his vision, along with Orochimaru's arms.
     
  18. Doge Everything I say is serious.

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    You're right, it's not. It's just horrible reasoning.

    Against Part 1 Edo kages that literally showed next to no feats. Madara has pretty much made it clear out of hype and copying Hashirama's own jutsus that Orochimaru is at a huge advantage now. You really think that Hashi is just not going to be able to use those techs? The Flower would end the battle right there.


    Minato scatters his kunais and tags the battlefield. Itachi attempts a clone feint and Minato reacts. I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict your counterpoint that Itachi outsped RM Naruto, thus leading to the idea that Itachi could outmaneuver Minato.

    Even if he does get past Minato, if he doesn't deal with Hashirama, they lose via the Flower.

    Because clearly, Orochimaru will only stick with Part 1 feats.




    Only click the spoiler if you dare:
    Spoiler:
    No going back now:
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    Orochimaru is the new king, he has overcome Shiki Fujin, The Sword of Totsuka, and his own Body Transfer jutsu to survive and carry out his plans. Itachi failed, he could only stop the pawn and aid of Orochimaru while the master roams free.

    Instead of ending him during one of his multiple encounters, he allowed the beast to live on and partake in his infamous and exhilarating slaughter. The king has been dethroned, the crown passed on to one of the two true possessors of pure dominance, Orochimaru.
     
  19. Doge Everything I say is serious.

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    This guy failed to recall that Orochimaru gained Kabuto's knowledge when he absorbed his DNA from him. You think he doesn't know Kabuto's new intel on Edo Tensei?

    Please.
     
  20. crisler Active Member

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    If oro controls the kages, they'll be very weak. it's just the way ET zombies are.

    if oro lets them be, then i'm sure the kages will provide sufficient info on the uchiha brothers to counter their techniques.

    Itachi and Sasuke can't defeat the 4 kages, but if their main focus is sniping oro then it might work, given that the 4 kages should provide good info.

    It's like, you can't beat 4 rogby players but you still can score.
     
  21. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    It made pretty clear that's Orochimaru's Edo's aren't on the level of the actual Shinobi they're impersonating. Old Hiruzen blowing the Senju brothers X could tell you that. Or Hiruzen sealing Hashi in the dark.


    Even if Orochimaru could use Edo Minato's abilities the way Minato can use them, that leaves Eternal Mangekyou Sasuke to take on Oro, who would be too distracted controlling Minato to defend himself with the other Edo's properly.


    What other feats does Orochimaru have with Edo Tensei?
     
  22. Pein illest

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    Hashirama by Madara feats could solo. Adding the other four is just over kill.
     
  23. Akitō Hokage

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    Okay, this Edo Tensei thing has to stop. They are not suddenly extremely susceptible to Totsuka's Sword because they're Edo Tensei: they're just invulnerable to everything else. Sasuke can't kill the Hokage, and Itachi only has one way (which Orochimaru has info on). This isn't fair in the slightest.

    People have been downplaying Orochimaru's Edo Tensei for years now because of their performance against Hiruzen, but I'm pretty sure we all know that Kishimoto had no intention of Hashirama being so strong and had the intention of Hiruzen being the strongest kage. Thus, you can chalk the entire situation up to an inconsistency. Being an Edo Tensei is a massive advantage, and I feel like so many disregard that; you needn't worry about chakra levels, you needn't worry about injuries, and you're always fighting with the intent to kill. Sorry, but Itachi and Sasuke don't deserve this kind of massacre.
     
  24. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    Reread the Hiruzen Oro battle, and just observe the way Orochimaru fights. He basically kept it to plain Kenjutsu. We didn't see many snake jutsu, if any at all.

    Edo Tensei is most effective the way Kabuto utilized it, sitting in an isolated cave. He didn't join the front lines for a reason. Controlling the Edo's divides your attention. Orochimaru will be hard pressed to defend himself from two seasoned Mangekyou users if he was caught by a past-prime Hiruzen.
     
  25. shyakugaun Active Member

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    Believe it or not i favor the uchiha brothers to win this, Tsukiyomi on Orochimaru good game, Totsuka on Zombie Kages, GG, Enton/Amaterasu lands, GG, Susano can keep them safe for a while from a Minato Blitz, Izanami if all else fails
     
  26. Akitō Hokage

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    Orochimaru wasn't trying his hardest when he fought Hiruzen; that was his flaw. He wanted to torture Hiruzen. We later see that Orochimaru usually opts for large-scale techniques and summons.

    And Orochimaru doesn't need to manually control the Edo Tensei bodies. They have an autopilot function, and it's implied that they retain their reactions and skills - the only thing missing is their strategical minds, but that won't really matter considering the overwhelming difference in power between the two sides.

    Orochimaru isn't a slouch either. He isn't going to get hit by Totsuka's Sword as soon as Itachi gets past the Hokage (which he won't). He's nearly as strong as Itachi, and it's foolish to think that with the help of four of the strongest characters in the series on his side, he'll be losing this.
     
  27. IchLiebe Da Sage

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    Orochimaru even stated himself that he was having the hokages toy with Hiruzen.

    Hashirama can solo easily. He has offensive jutsu and can use mokuton as a defense(although not canon it reflected a bijuu bomb), bringer of darkness, flower world.

    Tobirama has high level suitons that can be used well as support

    Hiruzen is pretty good, good taijutsu, very smart, powerfull ninjutsu.

    Minato is a god.

    And I do consider Orochimaru stronger than Itachi. Orochimaru has shown to resit the shiki fujin, tried to tank totsuka, got around the totsuka seal due to his immense knowledge, and mastered edo tensei to a degree that he summon 4 hokages, 2 of which are top tier. Kabuto clearly showed that he could fight multiple uchiha's at once. Granted in a 1 on 1 fight it would be a tough fight and would put them around the same level since Orochimaru has a lot of weapons and techs to kill Itachi while Itachi's only hope is the sword of Totsuka.
     
  28. Bkprince33 Did i do that??

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    if you where trying to spite the uchiha bros, you should of just put oro in a cave or give him kabuto lense caps, and also give him kabuto edo tensei feats, that way they wouldnt have a effective way to end the technique.

    ems sasuke can hold of the hokages with his susano and enton defense while itachi engages oro and hits him with a tsukiyomi and forces him to end the techniqe.


    that or itachi could outright seal all the kages bar minato, sadly oro edo tensei has terrible feats and if old hiruzen was able to hit the first and second, im pretty much in agreement that totsuka can also.



    shodai by hype should be way superior but oro edo's are so gimped i dont see them doing much.
     
  29. Eliyua23 Active Member

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    If the Hashirama could solo based off feats, Mokuton should nullify Susanoo, then Minato throws Tag and blitzes Sasuke and Itachi, really Orochimaru here is overkill, genjutsu won't work really this match is clearly a stomp .
     
  30. Luftwaffles Banned

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    As summons, I don't see the Hokage sympathizing for Sasuke. Oro can shut Hiruzen up with a tag and lie to the other Hokage on who Itachi is. They proceed to murder stomp the brothers. With hype, Oro w/Hokage STOMP. With feats, Oro w/Hokage win High-Extreme difficulty.
     
  31. Bkprince33 Did i do that??

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    problem is this is oro's harishama, and he couldnt solo hiruzen based off feats.


    how wont genjutsu work when the op didnt give oro kabuto's lense cap?


    minato is met with a ribcage covered enton susano and a regular ribcage susano.



    oro here is actually what makes the match easier, they have a chance to dispell the technique.
     
  32. Luftwaffles Banned

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    You are gonna eat these words. Quoted for future reference :zaru
     
  33. Almondsand Enigma

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    I like for these Edo Tensei to be billed as Sasuke power and not Orochimaru because Sasuke the one that made this possible. Also Itachi with Koto can just make one of the Kages his slave.. (Hashirama) so then it be Itachi with his slave and Sasuke vs Oro and the weaker Kages... We already know who wins.
     
  34. Almondsand Enigma

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    The fact that all 4 Kage are binded to the Edo tensei.. shows Itachi is superior and also would had been the best Kage.
     
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    I agree with Akito.

    Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest of the living Kage and Orochimaru was stated to be toying with him. We were supposed to see that fight as Orochimaru toying with someone stronger than Onoki or Ei.

    Hashirama and Tobirama still had access to every Jutsu that didn't require prep, Orochimaru just chose not to use them. He now has two more extremely powerful edo's in his collection.
     
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    If the summoned Hokages live up to their hype then the Uchiha brothers get stomped .

    If Orochimaru controls them like a noob then he is fucked .
     
  37. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    I'll gladly concede the argument if the Edo Hokage aquire new feats.
     
  38. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru declared himself that he was no match for Itachi, and this was while he had the Edo Kage in his possession. Now you claim Orochimaru without his Edo's is approaching Itachi's level?

    Since you're going about this based on Hype alone, there's nothing set in stone regarding Sasuke vs mindless Minato and Hiruzen, and we already know how Oro feels about him and the Senjj brothers against Itachi.
     
  39. Lawrence777 Active Member

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    Orochimaru's usage of Edo Tensei is indeed different.
    Kabuto uses a more liberal kind of mind control he himself implemented that we've yet to see Orochimaru use. And it isn't something orochimaru can just replicate on the spot either, Kabuto uses a different type of talisman to do this.

    X


    Orochimaru's edo tensei are rigid and are slow. They act like walkers. They possess great fire power. More than the Uchiha even by Hashirama alone.

    But they can and will get blitzed by attacks such as Susanoo and Amaterasu if and when the Uchiha decide to use those. If Orochimaru does not make them more fluid how Kabuto did, using Kabuto's different talisman, Susanoo and Amaterasu will definitely defeat them all. They are not going to dodge those level of attacks with the way Orochimaru controlled them in the past.

    Mind you, it is incredibly likely Itachi will head right for Orochimaru instead of trying to defeat all the edo tensei. This again doesn't matter if Orochimaru makes them act down right mechanical and unable to dodge simple attacks, let alone Mangekyou jutsu.
     
  40. UltimateDeadpool Steam Danger Tyrant

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    Except that Orochimaru's snake sensing eliminates any genjutsu.

    Even without the snake sensing, Orochimaru resisted Itachi's genjutsu and was about to break it. If it were possible for Itachi to succeed, he'd need time to struggle with Orochimaru, time that he doesn't have with the Kages raping him.

    Fully agreed.

    Also let's not forget that Orochimaru is a threat to someone as powerful as EMS Sasuke by himself.

    Orochimaru was having Hiruzen toy with Hiruzen. Also don't consider Hiruzen weak, he was the strongest amongst X, X, X, and X.

    Kabuto got his snake abilities from Orochimaru, he has them by default. Orochimaru doesn't even need "lense caps," he has his eye-lids. Snake sensing allows him to "see" using infra red and smell.

    That never happened. Orochimaru said he couldn't take Itachi's body, not that he couldn't beat him.
     
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  41. Kai R I N N I N G Moderator

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    Itachi gave Koto to Naruto to use against Sasuke. He didn't plan or foresee himself getting released whatsoever.

    Not really to Itachi's credit if it wasn't of his volition to do so.
     
  42. αce Puahah.

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    He could but then Minato would just tell them how to counter his moves.
     
  43. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    Itachi would figure that out after seeing it once anyway.
     
  44. ImSerious Active Member

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    Just cuz Minato will give them warnings doesnt mean they can suddenly run past him and get to Oro lol.
     
  45. Doge Everything I say is serious.

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    What makes you think Hashirama will suddenly be restricted to hell and irrelevant to the story as he will only be able to be a block-buster at best?

    Orochimaru had pathetic Edo Tensei zombies for one clear reason, the plot line couldn't handle it. Madara has been hyping Hashirama to no end, and yet Part 1 Edo Hashi was defeated by Hiruzen. Why? Because Hashirama could very well solo the Part 1 Konoha/world.


    Kabuto was using all of his Edo Tensei zombies simultaneously, I'm thinking Orochimaru isn't going to go down that easily.

    About as many as snake feats he had in part 1. We're going to see soon enough what the Edo Hokages can do. Unless of course, they're so weak that they are only used for knowledge and nothing else.


    A Sea of Snakes would've ended Hiruzen immediately or the use of Manda. Kishi clearly had to keep the plot alive.

    Either the Uchihas stop the flower before Orochimaru hides his head under the ground and refuses to come up, or they die quickly by a Hokage blitz.
     
  46. Rocky Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe Orochimaru just wasn't good at controlling them? Instead of blaming things on plot, think a little.

    Kabuto isn't Orochimaru. And Kabuto got to sit in a cave and control them. Kabuto set his Edos to autopilot when he dueled the Uchiha Brothers.

    There really isn't any guarantee they will fight. Orochimaru's primary reason for reviving them seemed to be knowledge.


    Be more creative instead of blaming the author.
     
  47. Turrin 玄武

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    Depends. Do the Edo Hokage have access to their full strength or are they pale shadows of themselves as they were in Part I? If it's the latter than EMS Sasuke & Itachi have a chance, depending on the effects of Zetsu's Senju DNA on Orochimaru's skills. If it's the latter Itachi & Sasuke wouldn't get raped because Orochimaru will likely toy around at first, but they have next to zero chance of winning.
     
  48. Empathy Disciple of Thunder

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    Hashirama and Tobirama weren't pathetic shells of their formers selves in Part I and were never indicated to be. Orochimaru was just toying around with them like you said in your latter scenario, Turrin.
     
  49. The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Well-Known Member

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    With the 4 Hokages Orochimaru stomps. Without them the Uchiha's stomp. It's as simple as that.
     
  50. Turrin 玄武

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    I find toying around as a pretty poor excuses. The difference in strength was too drastic for me to accept it was all because of toying around. Ether there was something holding the Hokages back or they were retecon'd. I tend to lean towards the latter.
     

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