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Obito vs. Itachi

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by PassionateStoic, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. PassionateStoic Dark Path

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    Obito survives the mission with both eyes then later in life achieves MS with s/t and Kamui. Eyes are in perfect condition.

    Itachi's eyes and health are in perfect condition.

    Restrictions: kotoamatsukami
    Knowledge: The only thing they know is that they are both Uchiha
    Battlefield: Uchiha Hideout
     
  2. Joakim3 Active Member

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    The only person who could definatively beat him regardless would be Minato, Ei & Naruto due to their wtftrollspeed via Shunshin or Hirashin.

    Nagato, Madara & SM Kabuto are capable but it would require insane dif. They all have ample amounts of ways to obcsure LoS to deal with Kamui hax and have to many CqC options to have Jikakun Edo attempted on them

    Jikakun Edo + Kamui is uncounterable to the rest of the entire verse(which includes Itachi)
     
  3. Luftwaffles Banned

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    Obito destroys Itachi utterly. But...is he immune to Tsukuyomi :hmm
     
  4. Hoshigaki Kisame Monster of the Hidden Mist

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    You do know that if Obito still lived he would be the strongest Uchiha, right?

    He stomps Itachi.
     
  5. Sans Bad Time

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    Itachi's Susano'o throws a rock at him.

    Rock > Obito.
     
  6. Inferno .

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    'Prime Obito' > Madara, so...
     
  7. General Mael Radec Imagine Breaker

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    Grown up obito is said to be the fastest ninja alive, he also has the feat of teleporting The sand village of the face of the planet. Obito the 7 and last hokage, the first president of the shinobi world
     
  8. Nikushimi Savior

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    What's this Obito's speed like? What's his stamina like? Can he use Kamui and Tobi's Jutsu at the same time?

    With the knowledge condition being what it is, Itachi's chances are favored; Susano'o is a plausible defense against Kamui at least in theory, whereas Obito's only defense is intangibility (which may not be on when Itachi hits him).
     
  9. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    I think we're meant to assume it's like if Tobi had Kamui in his other eye
     
  10. Marsala The Ice-Cream Man Cometh Advisor

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    Itachi's only chance is if Susano'o can block Kamui from directly affecting him. If not, neither he nor Sasuke nor even Madara can beat perfect Obito... except with Izanami.

    And there's a strong chance that Obito would have his own Susano'o with space-time powers if he had kept both eyes.
     
  11. Nikushimi Savior

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    We have no idea how much stamina Tobi has, and since chakra determines how big Kamui's area of effect is...

    Presumably he has high stamina, since he's got Hashirama's DNA, but then we have no feats for someone like that using Kamui- especially in tandem with that other ability.

    Unless we just assume he can send Itachi and his entire Susano'o to Box Land in one shot while remaining untouchable, in which case, why even make this thread?
     
  12. crisler Active Member

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    if obito can utilize and use proficiently the two ms...like tobi and kakashi...which is a very favored condition for obito..

    not itachi...not edo madara...not hashirama...no one can beat him.

    hell, someone says minato can? no he can't. minato beat tobi because tobis' attack forces him to get materliazed and minato got that moment....now he doesn't need to get materialized, since he has the kamui.

    imagine tobi with kamui. that's how strong obito is. tobi himself had the best defence, and was already pretty strong even with just taijutsu...give him kamui, lol.
     
  13. Grimmjowsensei True Hokage

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  14. Ghost Active Member

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    Itachi blitzes. Obito's physical feats aren't anything special.
     
  15. Komoyaru RAAAAASEENNNNGAAAAAAAAA!! !!!!!

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    How can you guys be so sure about Obito becoming the strongest Uchiha if he survived? Going with my boi Itachi on this one.
     
  16. Riley F. Member

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    Sasuke's 3 tomoe > genjutsu, therefore Obito's MS >> genjutsu. Intangibility > everything Itachi has to offer (including blitz). Kamui > Itachi's defence/protection. Will of fire Obito > Izanami though i'm not too sure about this one. Obito takes this.
     
  17. Turrin 玄武

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    It's really impossible to do this match off of anything but portrayal. Obito was essentially the Naruto of the Uchiha Clan combined that with him having some of the most Hax'd Sharingan techniques in the manga (Tobi's S/T jutsu and Kamui), being trained by the Fourth Hokage, and him being in his 30s having much more time to train and advance his skills than Itachi, and there is no way I see Obito loosing to Itachi. If Obito had lived (or alternative not turned into Tobi) he'd probably be the hero of the series not Naruto.
     
  18. Genma1998 Sage of 6 paths

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    How do you guys know that Obito would be so strong? I say Itachi wins
     
  19. Black☆Star 平和島 静雄

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    Obito should also have a Sussano
     
  20. PassionateStoic Dark Path

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    His speed is mostly irrelevant and his stamina should be assumed to be that of any MS user seen so far. He can use it adequately for a battle but will suffer effects afterwards. Of course he can use both eyes at once, every MS so far has done so with no problem.

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    As long as Obito is aware of his own identity and accepts reality Izanami is useless.

    Tobi became intangible before he even saw Sasuke speed blitzed him, he did it off pure instinct. Sasuke's speed feats surpass Itachi's.

    The fact that his eyes are incredibly OP when used by two different people should make it clear that having them together would be something that no one wants to encounter, not even Itachi.
     
  21. PassionateStoic Dark Path

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    Btw, even though its not completely clear that Obito would have a Susano'o while having both his eyes (Itachi was surprised that Sasuke had a Susano'o), it is definite that he would have a 3rd MS ability of some kind. So far the 3rd MS ability has been way stronger than the ability of either eye individually. Even though its impossible to predict what that ability is, I don't think Itachi stands a chance against whatever it would be.
     
  22. Bonly The Young Master

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    So you just gave Tobi his other eye instead of the Rinn.Tobito wins :zaru
     
  23. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    'Presumably?' Don't you remember how he was controlling 6 Bijuu at once? Which was stated to require enormous amounts of chakra, and he's not even breathing heavy?
     
  24. Puppetry Ōkashō

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    Tobi's greatest weakness has always been his poor offense. Kamui rectifies this, and his stamina ensures he'll eventually warp Itachi.
     
  25. ZeroWolf123 The Assassin

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    Tobi can now not only use his warping to dodge all attacks but he can also use kamui as well.

    He easily beats itachi and warps him.

    unless itachi pulls of an izanami.
     
  26. Nikushimi Savior

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    Was that stated? I don't recall.

    I just figured- since he's got Mangekyou Sharingan (apparently), Shodai's DNA, and those freaky ghost chains like Kushina -that he could control them pretty easily.

    How hard can it be to control a Bijuu when you've got like three different types of hax that can do it?
     
  27. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    Remember when Minato stated that even Madara couldn't keep the Kyuubi summoned for long?

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    Tobi himself even admitted it.
     
  28. Nikushimi Savior

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    Vaguely.

    Hm. Apparently it isn't easy for Tobi, though.
     
  29. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    Yeah. Enormous amounts of chakra on six beasts simultaneously? That's gotta be hard to do.

    Keep in mind Tobi's not even winded after it, though. His chakra levels are enormous.
     
  30. Nikushimi Savior

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    But Kakashi said Tobi probably couldn't keep them summoned long, and Tobi seems to have agreed. This still doesn't really tell us anything about his chakra capacity; if he's got Shodai's DNA, it's probably safe to assume that it's well above average. But then, we have no feats for someone like that using Kamui.

    There's also no way of telling how much chakra is required to control Bijuu relative to someone like...say...Kakashi, for example. Just saying "it requires a lot of chakra" isn't satisfactory; Kakashi has Jutsu that require a lot of chakra relative to him and most of the Narutoverse, too.

    EDIT: And if the goal here is to assume that Tobi can just point-and-click enemies off the battlefield...again, I ask, why even make this thread?
     
  31. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    where did you come to that conclusion? Kakashi said he couldn't use the Path powers because of the enormous drain full control of the beasts did on his eyesight. all Tobi was agreed with was "Haha, so you recognized that I have to use a ton of chakra on the beasts!"

    The thing is, if Tobi is 'well above average' to that level, he can darn well use Kamui...well a lot.

    Uchiha "I can casually create a Bijuu level warrior" Madara couldn't keep the Kyuubi summoned for long with his chakra. Tobi controlled the Kyuubi quite effectively, and controlled 6 Bijuu simultaneously while using his space-time Jutsu and he's not even breathing heavy. Kakashi has the MS, seen him doing any Bijuu subduing lately? The only guys who've subdued Bijuu with their powers are kind of known for incredible chakra and reserves


    It'd be harder than that, but he'd win. Being totally untouchable plus Kamui is far too much.
     
  32. Nikushimi Savior

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    Oh, nevermind. Some wires in my head must've gotten crossed or something; I read the Minato scan and then the Kakashi one, and they kinda melded together.

    Even so, it's the same person they were both talking about, so it's a fair point.

    I don't recall that it was ever suggested Madara could create and maintain Perfect Susano'o "casually" when he was alive.

    If he has trouble just keeping the Kyuubi summoned and under his control, that might also be a pretty big deal for him. Just saying. That thing makes the Kyuubi look like a house pet.

    Does Kakashi even know about that power? We haven't seen him try... Besides which, with Tobi already controlling them, it would just turn into a battle between their eye powers...and I don't think that would be much of a battle. If Kakashi has even considered the possibility of doing such a thing, he'd have to be aware of this.

    Not if we're assuming he has Bijuu-level (or thereabouts) chakra. Given the biggest targets we've seen Kakashi warp, someone with significantly greater chakra capacity should have no problem just removing the opponent and anything in the vicinity from the battlefield.
     

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