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Naruto's Rasengan varations are USELESS compared to Sasuke's chidori variations!!

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Black★Star, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. Black★Star Yami no Sekai

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    Before I write I must say that it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. What I mean is that in terms of versality naruto's rasengan variations do not allow him any ability to alter his fighting style, especially when compared to Sasuke. Let's look at the different variations:
    Basic rasengan- Distract opponent (probably with KB) and ram it into the opponent. Very short range. (No link given because if you are like me you are tired of seeing that jutsu.)

    Odama Rasengan-Distract opponent (probably with KB) and ram it into the opponent. Very Short range.
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    Rasenshuriken-Distract opponent (probably with KB) and ram it into the opponent. Very Short range.
    X

    Are u seeing a pattern? Well u r supposed to.
    These options although they vary in power offer NO possible alternative fighting style and create the impression of no real growth by Naruto as if u are able to dodge the basic rasengan, u probably will be able to dodge all of his rasengan jutsu.

    Now lets look a Sasuke's chidori varations.
    Basic chidori- Immobilise/trap opponent and deliver powerful blow. Very short range.
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    Chidori Nagashi- My personal fav and allows Sasuke to not only repel physical attacks but to inflict serious damage to anyone touching him. Very powerful defensive move.
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    Chidori needles- Can be used to 1)Repel and overpower weapon attacks 2)Destroy earth based jutsu (As he did with Deidara) 3)Use as a quick, low chackra way of inflicting damage onto opponent. Good mid to long range weapon.X

    Chidori infused sword-Vastly increases the range and power of his Kusagni sword and he also has the ability to use this power without the sword as a medium and extend up to a range of 5 metres. It therefore allows him the power of two swords simultaneously and is excellent for short to mid rage battles.
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    Passing a Chidori Current into the ground- seen in his battle with Itachi, it allows Sasuke to attack an enemy without creating an opening. In addition. because of its nature it allows Sasuke to create an opening for his other Chidori moves as it forces the opponent to jump away from the jutsu as the only means of escape. Excellent short to mid range set up manuver.
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    Finally Kirin- Channels the Electricty of nature and harnesses it into a giant Lightning bolt that is unavoidable from any range. Extremely powerful at the cost of almost no chackra to the user. Excellent Mid to long range attack and Sasuke's strongest attack (excluding MS techniques).
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    Now it should be clear that in terms of overall range and versality, Naruto's rasengan variations offer little in battle when compared to Sasuke's chidori variations. Not only do Sasuke's chidori variations cover all the three ranges of fighting (i.e short,mid and long range), they also offer Sasuke a far wider range of options when fighting at these ranges, and the ablity to create openings making for a far more interesting battle.

    Before the flaming starts, I must say that I am a huge Naruto fan but facts are facts and these are facts. One can only hope against hope that Kishi will address this huge disparity in power between the two most influencial characters in the manga in a way that is both fair and logical.

    Wow this turned out far longer than I anticipated. Hope You like it though.



    People keep sayin that its foolish to compare elemental to spatial recomposition. I cant understand that logic.U must accept that Spatial recomposition is limited BUT u also have to accept that it is the only technique (aside from KB) that Naruto has shown a profiiency for in part 2. So with that in mind, my comparison is meant to show the versality that Sasuke has in his arsenal as opposed to Naruto, and secondly how continued emphasis on Different variations of Rasengan by Kishi is absolutely pointless at this point given the natural limitations of this attack. What Naruto needs DESPERATELY are attacks that would allow for greater versalty and NOT another Rasengan variation.

    Therefore all the flaming about spatial vs elemental recomposition is really not necessary so save it.
     
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  2. Munkybhai New Member

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    Well, Rasengan is just chakra manipulation, so perhaps now that Naruto is manipulating the wind element, we will see some interesting variations, similar to Sasuke's lightning arsenal.
     
  3. BIGASIA MHMM

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    after he finishes his senjutus training, he will get a huge boost in speed and strength. remeber though wind >>>>> lightning, but wat u say is true. we can only hope that naruto gets an insane speed boost where he can be like his dad and just shunshin the shit outta people, then his rasengan will be alot more effective. also like munkybhai said, maybe he will learn other variations.
     
  4. Lisar Member

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    well .. if kushina was a part of senju clan .. then naruto is too .. and im sure he could use bloodline techniques ( rinengan ) or smth.. so if he combines rasengan with those blood-line things .. i'm sure he'll be able to beat the crap out of sasuke.
     
  5. Tasmanian Tiger Im back -troll hijacked my acc

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    doesn't matter anymore. Senjutsu training is coming :edu
     
  6. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Jesus Christ. I wish everyone would read this post.

    Rasengan is the greatest form of shape manipulation out there. It's a sphere and you can't go any further than that. Naruto knows this so he's not going to dumb Rasengan down to turn it into anything less than that like. He's not going to trade in a baseball for a toothpick. With that being said Naruto doesn't need to make his Rasengans turn into variable weapons like Sasuke, they aren't designed for that. Rasengan will always be the offensive bullet of Naruto. It won't be turning into anything else outside of that.

    Rasengan will always be a ball with something extra on it. It won't be a sword, staff, needless or whatever because if it was it wouldn't be Rasengan anymore. It would be something completely different breaking it away from what it's originally designed for. That's not Rasengan. Incase it's not said enough as it is I'll put it at an easier way:

    As long as he uses Rasengan it'll only be a sphere considering that's what a Rasengan is. It's a spiral sphere. He has to breakout of it being a Rasengan in order to get something else. It's not designed to be turned into a sphere and then further on into a saber, a shield or whatever.


    Now that Naruto needs to improve his RasenShuriken to a 100% version it'll gain some extras but it'll only be power and possibly a way for it to connect with the enemy. Make no mistake, it'll be the same bullet as we've always seen except this time it'll connect with the enemy somehow. Don't expect any huge changes. Naruto will never, ever be doing any Rasengan Shields, Rasengan swords, Rasengan needles or whatever because it's simple not possible with Rasengan considering it's the highest form of shape manipulation. The Rasengan is the shape; he'll have to dumb it down to sword, needles and saber-like levels in order to see that.

    Now wind, that can be possibly be used in the same way Sasuke's Chidori's are being used. He can make Fuuton needless or a Fuuton sword or whatever he wants surely but it all depends on if Naruto will do it or not. That's the main point here. Needless to say it's very possible making wind into different variations such as Fuuton: Sword or Fuuton: Shield or whatever he needs to turn it into and then finally the ultimate shape manipulation Fuuton: Rasengan but still. It's very VERY possible to do it with wind. The only reason Sasuke can do it with Chidori is simply because it's shape isn't as advanced as Naruto's Rasengans are. Now I'll sum this up:

    It's possible to make variations with wind as long as he doesn't turn the wind into a Rasengan since Rasengan's the pinnacle. Once it goes Rasengan he'll have to dumb it down to something else. It is possible with wind but not Rasengan.


    It all depends if Naruto will need it or not or will want to do it. Sure it's possible but he might not even need to resort into that with the Senjutsu training coming. Maybe if it involves Fuutons he can improve his but theoreticaly anything less than a Fuuton: RasenShuriken Naruto can do it. I'm saying it's possible he can do whatever he wants with wind, we just haven't need it since he didn't need to do it at that current time. It should be possible to make a Rasengan and then use the wind chakra to create a shield or something but it'll all end up being spherish every single time as long as it's Rasengan. You can't expect Naruto to make a Rasengan and then use wind chakra to create some saber out of the Rasengan. I mean what the hell is that? Come on now.

    There's a major difference between a Rasengan and wind. Wind is the attribute which can be turned into variable weapons and used like Chidori. Wind chakra has been shown to be able to do this too. The pinnacle is a Rasengan/wind chakra combo. You don't need to be comparing Naruto's shape manipulations with Sasuke's form/shape manipulations. Whatever comes out of a Naruto form/shape manipulation that's not Rasengan should be compared. It's not that hard.

    There you go. Explained to the tee.
     
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  7. frenchmax Active Member

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    Well I agree to what you said. In fact, sasuke' s chidori is more versatile than naruto' s rasengan. But.....:laugh

    you forget that chidori is nature + shape manipulation
    rasengan is only shape manipulation, and is built totally differently than chidori.

    Now let' s see: if naruto was able to perfect his nature+shape manipulation to 100 %, what would it do? I mean chidori is a middle jutsu compared to naruto' s FRS.

    why? because rasengan itself puts the shape manipulation to it' s maximum with an incredible power. Add wind to it (nature manipulation) to it' s maximum, and chidori variations are useless against it.

    Personally, I' d prefer naruto to create another wind jutsu that uses nature and shape manipulation, that could compete with the versality of sasuke' s chidoris.
    So at the moment I agree nearly to 99% to what you said
     
  8. Espada_Uno I

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    yeh gd work i hope naruto becomes stronger because of his senjutsu training it will be cool if he becomes as fast as his dad so he can beat the shit out of sasuke and naruto also has the "power" itachi gave him so im hopin that after his training he'll be able to take on pein with like senjutsu style rasengan
     
  9. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    Its because chidori and its variations are only physical recomposed chakra therefor the strength of the attack is not equal to rasengan.Naruto never had a full all out fight since the wind training to show his Fuuton mastery.I mean he split a whole waterfall with his Fuuton and he coud shape his chakra around his body.I gues we will now more in future.
     
  10. Syferz Ninja-Wizard

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    Comparing Elemental to Chakra munipulation is retarded...

    Sure to compare Chidori to Rasengan is fine, as they are used for the same purpose, but Chakra munipulation taken to it's maximum level and comparing it to various elemental munipulations is completely off bases.

    Naruto using his Wind element as needles? check! (it's in the FRS)

    Naruto using his Wind element to repel water? check! (does it when he fights Madara)

    Naruto using his Wind element to sharpen a weapon? Check!

    All of these things also are superior to Sasukes, as Sasuke's element is weaker then Naruto's, Sasuke can use fire, but not a verstile enough to match Naruto's Wind element, and this is on top of Naruto possibly using Water as well (his mother was from water country, he has asked about being able to use water element (in anime filler...) Naruto and Sasuke are set up to be rivals with Naruto eventually beating Sasuke out, Naruto learning that he has water element to match Sasuke's fire element, is both common sense, and the only thing that matches his name, heritage, and even the subtitle of part 2.

    Naruto has all the same tools as Sasuke, but Naruto's genius isn't sharp like Sasuke's, it's creative and unexpected, which is why Naruto always seems steps behind Sasuke, but magically catches up.
     
  11. lordsome Has Nothing Funny To Put Here.

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    I'm Just Waiting for the Narutards to come...

    But seriously, Although I might not like sasuke even I agree that naruto seriously needs to work on new variations for Rasengan.
     
  12. BlueSky Rena A Girl of the East (Asia)

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    I would have to agree. In terms of general usefulness for defensive attacks the chidori is amazing.

    The chidori variations allow Sasuke to attack from mid range (as seen in Deidara fight etc), he can use it as spears to cut and give his sword a major cut boost.

    In the defensive manner – Chidori Nagashi took down the entire new team 7 to the ground, keeping Sasuke protected in an electric shield.

    It helped Sasuke take down the micro C4 clays from his body, and saved him against Deidara.

    And Chidori can also be used as a close range killing attack also (with less power than the FRS of course).

    Rasengan is just keep getting more BOOM power yet always the same run kid run and hit me in a 0 range mode.

    Rasengan is only an attack jutsu for 0 range, it as no variations in terms of defensive creativity.
     
  13. lucid dream so it goes

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    The issue of only short range has always bugged me a little, personally.

    Though it will be taken care of before it becomes a serious issue, or at least I should hope so. Speed and tactic can overcome this easily. Naruto is in senjutsu training right now and also we don't really know of any "limits" for the Fuuton element.

    Also, to put it simply, higher levels of Rasnegan are some of the most destructive jutsu we've seen. Even an incomplete FRS was illustrated as massively destructive, on a cellular level no less. What I'm implying is that if it hits, it can kill extremely powerful beings. Kirin obliterates as well, but that is already a complete jutsu and takes prep time and only destroyed a small hill top.
     
  14. Jugger System Crash

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    lol how can you compare these things chidori has lighting chara rasengan doesnt have any elemen those two are so different you can compare them lol
     
  15. WhiteWolf Lone wolf

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    Agree that Naruto's variation is kinda useless in long range. But that's just Spatially recomposition, and Futoon is only one with Spatial and Elemental recomposition.

    That jutsu made a very big impact, and it was only 50%....So it's really not useless.

    Also after Sagetraining, naruto will be faster, stronger ...

    Try avoid Futoon Rasengan then...1 hit and you down.

    Nagashi,Chidori: Not so strong....
     
  16. yatai Prince Poetry

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    This will be settled when naruto learns to do Ultimate rasengan. And in both hands.:nuts

    but yeah. senjutsu.:amuse

    :zaru
     
  17. The Fool Active Member

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    Naruto's spatial manipulation and primary element are both superior to what Sasuke does with chidori. Sasuke has been in more fights but in terms of pure power Sasuke is packing a musket and Naruto is locked and loaded with a friggin canon.
     
  18. quintessential quintessential

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    I get it but i think your being a bit narrow minded.Why compare the two? Like check this out
    TKB is the ultimate defensive technique> Nagashi. Nagashi is not going to defend sasuke against any Rasengan variant because wind>lightening. So I could make a thread saying "compared to Naruto's use of TKB sasuke's chidori variants are useless" ,and argue that TKB is more versatile because it offers both defense and offense and information gathering ability but that dosent make sense because TKB is not meant to be directly compared to Chidori variants.Its unfair to compare the 2.Against other non wind affinity opponents Nagashi is very useful but still not as useful as TKB. Bottom line comparing techniques of 2 ninja like this in isolation is unfair.You must consider everything in their arsenal or like it or not your biased towards one.
     
  19. Syferz Ninja-Wizard

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    it amazes me that people are comparing Sasuke's elementalvariations with Naruto's Chakra Minipulations.

    Sasuke and Naruto have both used their elements for the same things, Sasuke's is more defined, but he has been using his elements since part 1, and Naruto has just learned of his something like a month ago? (manga time)

    Still, Sasuke puts electricity around him, Naruto puts wind around him (madara fight)
    Sasuke uses electricity to sharpen his blade, Naruto has been doing the same.
    Sasuke creates electric needles, Naruto creates wind needles (in the frs)

    Naruto's wind element should be compared to Sasuke's lightening element, they use them as tools in simular variations, just wait for Naruto to have a real fight, problem was Kakazu was set up to show off how destructive FRS is, and give Naruto a weapon that basically has no equal in the manga outside of biiju so far.
     
  20. Vandal Savage Game Theory Administrator

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    It isn't hard to deduce that. Rasengan is just a spiraling nuke in his hand and will only ever create a bigger boom.

    If he creates something else with wind he will most likely have more to work with in terms of modifying it. You can't do much with a compact sphere.
     
  21. LiveFire Banned

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    Rasengan is no doubt strong, and powerful. However I must agree to an extent. As stated before rasengan can only get bigger, thus creating more destruction. It's not very flexible nor can it be modified as much as Sasuke's chidori variations. However this is all unimportant considering the training Naruto is going through right now, which will hopefully solve this problem.
     
  22. Naruto PORTUGAL CARALHO Super Moderator

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    Naruto doesn't have Rasengan variations, only Rasengan upgrades.

    His Rasengan is designed to rape, and it does that better than the chidori.
     
  23. -Maya- Banned

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    Could someone please Name 1 Chidori Variant that would get past FR ?

    None what so ever unless you count Kirin
     
  24. Naruto_Rasengan Banned

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    Everyone should read this post. The Rasengan is already the highest Shape manipulation known anyway. If it's going to be done it's going to be through Fuuton's.
     
  25. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Active Member

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    Naruto uses Rasengan just for one purpose, and you do know he has completely mastered the Fuuton element right?
     
  26. B.o.t.i Active Member

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    rasengan variants whats that???

    I just see incomplete rasengans you do know the move is not even finished??

    Oh this ones a good one if chidori clashed rasengan right now who would win???
    Thats right rasengan.

    Oh another one chidori is OH SO VERSTAILE but can it combine with other elements to make a new attack you known....... drowning mael storm whatever it is he should be able to do it with frogs he should do it with gama would be awesome.

    Anyway rasengan has never been completed .... All kinds of hell is gonna break lose when that frs shuriken starts spinning.
     
  27. sworder Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Just because its the highest for of manipulation doesnt make it more effective.

    Compare blossoming chidori to FRS... tis a OHKO, bigger range, cuts through anything, less chakra, no time limit, and doesnt have side effect.
     
  28. Truepotential Cannot be killed!

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    Chidori Variants are more versatile while Rasengan upgrades possess greater power.
     
  29. N120 Jerusalem

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    You can compare flexibilty provided by an elemntal attack to an attack based on chakra alone, theres a huge difference!

    Rasengan = Chakra + spatial manipulation ONLY where as,

    Chidori (including its varients) = Chakra + Elmental Manipulation + Spatial manipulation.

    so if your going to compare jutsus, compare 2 of the same make-up/catogory.

    a standard Chidori is the same as an standard FRS, in terms of make-up, Both are created the same way: Chakra+element+Spatial manipulation.

    if compare these two:

    Power: chidori just about competes with a sub-standard rasengan, its big brother in the same catogory is just overkill.

    Range: FRS at 50% has so far been shown to be shaped as shuriken, and uses wind- so im hoping its can be thrown when complete.

    variation: FRS is all in one attack which does basically everything to destroy its target, it has micro-scopic needles that destroy an opponent cell by cell, It has the power of both the rasengan and the force of wind, it also has a destrutive power of an atom-bomb on impact.
    so if someone holds an frs up, you dont attack, you run. hence it fulfills both attack,defence and kill.
    Chidori, its variations is small fish, its varied to counter attacks and defend seperatly, it also can be manipulated to attack close to mid range.

    in comparison, one FRS destroys everything in its path, it doesnt need to counter and doesnt need to be utilised differently like chidori.
     
  30. konohakartel saying que bonita es la vida

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    Well look at the two peoples styles. Naruto will always have the element of suprise, strategy, and kage bunshin. Naruto is a brawler and a brawler attacks head on.

    Sasuke is much more conservative in his approach. All his techniques are about doing the most damage while looking effortless.

    And as stated before the two moves being compared arent even composed the same way. Chidori already had the elemental "edge" to start with.But recall the hospital roof. Saske just pierced the water tank while Naruto destroyed its backside.

    If they have another VoTe type battle and charge in with their trump card attacks Narutos comes out on top still. FRS doesnt even need to make contact to affect. After impacting anything it makes a massive vortex of wind needles attackign anything and everything within a 10 to 15 foot radius(thats a conservative measure)

    When Chidori meets any wind type move of same cailber it will lose.Rasengan can be upgraded constantly and aided by others techniques. Which is a facet of Naruto versus Sasuke. Naruto accepts help while Sasuke tries to solo.
     

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