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[Popularity Poll] Naruto Uzumaki

Discussion in 'Konoha Library' started by Platypus, Jan 1, 2017.

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Poll closed Jan 11, 2017.
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  1. Lucaniel non serviam

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    >thinking you need to like the uchihas to know naruto is a bad character

    :skully

    obito is the WORST character in this manga, sauce is almost as bad as naruto, and madara is a shitty, vastly overrated character. i know all of that, and i also know that naruto is still garbage, for the same reasons you've surely been unable to escape reading: that he's presented as an underdog despite having all the advantages, that his hero's journey is abandoned and he's turned into a destined child who has everything handed to him, that he's set up by the plot to be able to turn villains into friends without saying anything at all convincing, that he's pathologically obsessed with sasuke to a pathetic degree, and so much more

    you can't be oblivious enough to have not seen these reasons listed elsewhere, so quit shitposting, you sad child
     
  2. Seraphiel S A D B O Y S

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    Nice try Uchiha wanker!
     
  3. Lucaniel non serviam

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  4. Zensuki (⌐■_■)–︻┻┳══━一

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    Fuck this noise. You can argue that Naruto in part 1 was very unskilled, so it made the fights more interesting and resulting win more rewarding but don't act coy like he was presented as some underdog when he had the strongest tailed beast sealed in him and in every fight where he wavered, it awakened for devastating damage.

    Don't know how many times its needs to be iterated for some of you to know that the manga, the character Naruto and everything he stood for, was not about being an underdog. It was about perseverance, and no matter the bullshit excuses you come with up, like child of prophecy or sage hand me downs, Naruto stayed loyal to that theme, emotionally and physically and inspired others to do so.
     
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  5. Kiba's Slut Boy World's #1 Kiba Inuzuka Fanboy

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    But, then wouldn't naruto's "perseverance" be directly linked to his massive Chakra bank + Nine Tails Chakra.

    Naruto had been blessed with massive amounts of Stamina/Chakra from the start.....which is why he progressed so much faster than his predecessors.

    If there's any character in this series that should be honoured as "Underdog" or "Most Persevering"....it's Rock Lee.
     
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  6. WorldsStrongest The Abysswalker

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    This, so much this.

    Gai, Rock Lee, hell even freaking sakura was more of an underdog than naruto during part 2.

    Sakura started out as legitimate dirt tier, but by the war arc, she had elevated herself to a kage level status with no genetic advantages or 1 shot moves or a giant chakra nuke in her guts, she made it there on her own.

    Gai was legit a horrible shinobi who couldnt even pass the academy entrance exam, but he persevered and eventually made himself the equal of kakashi, who was a genius with an inherited genetic advantage, and eventually surpassed him with hard work.

    And lee is basically the same story as gai, only a little more heartfelt as we saw lee grow up and get bullied and whatnot, but then the chunin exams happened and he was a badass.
     
  7. Zensuki (⌐■_■)–︻┻┳══━一

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    No its not. Naruto's perseverance comes from his beliefs and values. Stuff like this:

     
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  8. MasterORB Active Member

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    Here's the thing Naruto was never a underdog so to speak, is theme was always be recognize by people because of is loneliness read the first chapter again, that's why he want to be and Hokage. Not only that theme of this entire manga as always about bonds with people family, friendship, love and so forward. Yes, Naruto was always try to Save Sasuke in my idea was he saw that Sasuke try to protect Sakura and Him from trouble remember the 2 exame and against Gaara when Sasuke was trying to save the 2 of them, and not only that he saw the state that psychologically that Sasuke was when he face Itachi and you don't want to see your friend go through that.
     
  9. Crimson Flam3s Rampage Sage

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    part 1: 9/10
    part 2: 6/10
    end of series/boruto: 8/10

    He was pretty interesting in part 1, you could always vouch for him to prove everyone wrong when they looked down on him, sad story to him but he was certainly amusing. Part 2 he became more bland and less complex, it was mostly cheeky speeches and child of prophecy bs.
     
  10. Kiba's Slut Boy World's #1 Kiba Inuzuka Fanboy

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    The point is that Naruto's "perseverance" from his beliefs and values would have achieved nothing if he didn't have the mass amounts of Stamina to progress so quickly in power.

    He inspired and influenced others by getting powerful very quickly mainly due to the handicap of Mass chakra already handed to the character.
    If he never had the power to beat strong opponents , he would've been unsuccessful with his TNJs and he would've garned no attention.

    His character was set up to act as a *false* underdog who succeeded through sheer perseverance......but,the reality of how it was written is that, Naruto didn't really persevere much.

    PS: This particular panel you presented....is what led to the Sasuke Obsession throughout shippuden.

    It's not a particularly positive message....considering how part 2 turned out. :catblink
     
  11. Kusuo P Active Member

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    Forgot to mention that he's the king of uppercuts...a plus in my vote. :narulol
     
  12. Zensuki (⌐■_■)–︻┻┳══━一

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    You're looking at it backwards: it was Naruto's drive and perseverance as a kid that led to him to where was. He could of easily said fuck it numerous points in the story (such as saving Sasuke, wanting to cooperate to Kurama, killing Obito and so on) and not accomplished nearly the same things. Potential is what Naruto had, and his perseverance is what led to him fulfilling it.

    Bullshit. His potential was always evident and it was far from an underdog. The biggest plot point of the entire manga, what it means to be a ninja, involving Sasuke's redemption and return, was enforced via Naruto's perseverance. You mistake perseverance for something entirely fight based when in reality is was far more relevant emotionally, what Naruto thought of his bonds and the way of a ninja.
     
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  13. Blu-ray Moderator Moderator

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    What is this talk of Naruto not being an underdog? It was one of his most definitive traits along with never giving up and bonds.:oh

    That everyone considered him a failure that would never succeed was reiterated time and time again ever since chapter fucking one, and was especially highlighted during his fights with Neji and Kabuto where they constantly put him down and dismissed his dreams and goals as impossible. It went beyond him simply being unskilled. The very essence of his being was being written off.

    Him having Kurama didn't change this presentation whatsoever and the stigma associated with having it contributed to the underdog status if anything. Even thirty chapters before the end of the manga his status as an underdog was still being reinforced through his Asura parallel.

    Yes persevering and never giving up were traits of his as well, but they went hand in hand with his status as and underdog. He eventually stopped being an underdog, as that's a given if they finally succeed, but that doesn't mean he never was one.
     
  14. Blu-ray Moderator Moderator

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    Coulda summed that up in far fewer words.:catsweat

    TL;DR he was an underdog. The whole damn village looked down on him and wrote him off as a failure, and that's all it really takes to be an underdog. That he stopped being one at a certain point doesn't change the fact that he was one.
     
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  15. Zensuki (⌐■_■)–︻┻┳══━一

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    Sure from their perspective Naruto was an underdog at the time, and seeing how they eventually changed is big reward, but in the perspective of the reader, did people honestly believe Naruto was an underdog after seeing his Kurama rage feats? Always felt like the narrative gave the reader more than the characters observing Naruto knew for that very reason.
     
  16. Dark Passenger Member

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    Why do people call Naruto an Obito wanker? Because of the "coolest guy" comment? Unless I'm not remembering correctly, didn't he basically tell Obito to be a man and stop hiding behind his mask and accept his punishment for starting this war before the Bijuu were pulled out of him?

    I think he just felt pity for Obito honestly. You don't go from saying you'll rip someone apart to shedding a tear once you see their memories. Perhaps a bit of appreciation too seeing as how Obito is the one responsible for his revival.

    And didn't someone translate the actual raws into Naruto saying that "The Obito who wanted to be Hokage (as in the Obito who regretted his decisions) was an awesome guy" or something similar? Some guy named TALK or something. If so, that'd make a bit more sense in my opinion.
     
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  17. Haruka Katana (Φ ω Φ)つ¤=[]:::::::::::>

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    The guy is TaKL and yes what he said is true. It is still not enough for us to NOT cringe at whatever line he is defending Obito with tho :apathy
     
  18. SoulFire! Venerable Sage

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    Naruto was certainly a social underdog in the beginning, given his status as a village pariah due to his role as Jinchuuriki. The fact that Minato was his father had no affect on the village's viewpoint (we really don't know how many were aware of this)--he was still hated and feared.

    Of course physically Naruto was anything but an underdog, what with his Uzumaki stamina and the beast in his belly. But it was that perseverance that Zen speaks of , that persistence and determination that drove Naruto on and allowed him to eventually master his inherent strengths.
     
  19. Blu-ray Moderator Moderator

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    But our perspective isn't pertinent to whether or not he's an underdog, as that's defined by the opinions of characters and his circumstances in universe. Any reader can tell he was bound to be successful by virtue of him being the protagonist alone.

    Furthermore it's not like we knew things the characters didn't. It was common knowledge he was Kurama's Jinchuriki and that he retroactively hailed from a prestigious clan considered par for the Uchiha. That didn't stop them from writing him off as a failure.
     
  20. oMeGa1904 Triela

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    Well Naruto could be considered as an underdog as "expected loser". But consider him as an underdog cause of him having "inferior position" can have room for doubt considering his stamina and immense chakra is inherited and the whole Asura thing. He never had any disadvantage, in fact he has a lot of advantages himself considering he's an Uzumaki and having Kurama inside. Rock Lee and Might Gai are the true underdogs in every meaning of the word.
     
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  21. Kiba's Slut Boy World's #1 Kiba Inuzuka Fanboy

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    The emotional perseverance of "Not Giving up" trope is common in practically every shonen MC.
    This is nothing special or unique for Naruto's character.

    I don't think people are arguing about Naruto being an Outcast in society in the beginning (or Societal Underdog)......it's more about people (and characters in the series itself) praising Naruto for working harder than anyone else to reach his point (despite his chakra advantages....and later prophecy stuff).
     
  22. Indra Well-Known Member

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    People seem to forget that yes, Naruto showed plentiful feats which puts him on a near-high category of talented and strong shinobi, but it's not because of talent itself. Naruto always had help along the way, it basically started from the beginning when Minato created the seal formula to blend his chakra with Kurama's in order to increase his own chakra pool (and probably make it stronger?).

    A lot of Naruto's standout feats, like making the Rasen Shuriken for example, wasn't just his own. Naruto (who was being supervised by Kakashi) was speeding up the training with shadow clones, another feat which was only possible due to his unnaturally high chakra pool (cough cough) and his large stamina (Uzumaki genes). The only reason why he was able to perform this feat was due to these overwhelming circumstances. Not because of this spontaneous talent that just appeared out of no where.

    Another example would be his Sage Mode mastery. Again, he needed large reserves, larger than what he would have had if Minato never made the seal function in the way it did. Plus Naruto was using a training method which again was used in order to speed up the process normally. Pa explained that the oil that he was slathering Naruto with would attract nature energy, and the point of using this method was so that Naruto could feel the sensation of the energy gathering onto his skin, and soon enough he'll be able to gather the natural energy on his own.

    Both of these abilities which started to put Naruto on a higher pedestal than his cast, weren't just things he did because 'OH MY GOD NARUTO ACTUALLY ISN'T AN UNDERDOG' - No. From the very beginning and end they made it very clear that Naruto was a shinobi/person who became strong through the cooperation and help of others. He never did anything alone, he always had help.

    People just seem to forget the little details and just point fingers at how strong Naruto became, despite the fact that most of his power ups again weren't even his to begin with, and the one's that he did earn through sheer hard work, was through the help of numerous circumstances people paved for him.

    The Kage Bunshin technique would also fall under that category considering the whole chakra reserve upgrade via seal from Minato. Just my two cents on the subject.
     
  23. HoroHoro ---

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    You're speaking semantics like the majority of Naruto's apologists does, it doesn't matter which translation is the more accurate, that is still the same Obito Uchiha who committed god knows how many atrocities including the death of his parents, Neji, 40.000+, and the demise of the Uchiha, essentially making his best friend's life a living hell. The actions and convictions of the character and what they led to is what makes him a disgusting human being. The fact that Kishimoto tried to make Obito more sympathetic with Naruto by proxy, holding no particular ill will of his motives and actions throughout the story is asinine. Black Zetsu was not wrong in what he said about Obito, Naruto did not even know Obito, thus, Naruto's exclaimation is beyond retarded.
     
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    How could he be a underdog, when in the first chapters he masters a forbidden technique, and has regeneration on the other, now the way he acted in a brat way, was what it made look down upon people is what makes him a underdog, imagine him be a more serious type of guy.
     
  25. -Ziltoid- the Agenda

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    Kishimoto's entire fetish for villains is beyond retarded :gglife

    His wife must be a ex-convict :catskully
     
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  26. oMeGa1904 Triela

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    He's the underdog cause he's seen as an "expected loser" by his peers. However that's cause they speak from ignorance since all the other genins don't know he has the Kyuubi inside (it was a rule not to tell anyone what Naruto really is) and don't know how OP can be his Uzumaki genes, which no one else knows but ancient Senjus or Orochimaru and co. However the other meaning of being an underdog, as having a "disadvantage or not so popular", he's not. He's well known and in fact people (adults) didn't want him to be a ninja cause they feared him.
     
  27. MasterORB Active Member

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    But he still can we say in terms of abilities, he was better that its other peers, so if he was not lazy and a clown he would not had being the so called the underdog and had more respect by is peers and the adults.
     
  28. oMeGa1904 Triela

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    I'm only arguing he had some underdog status but it's only noticeable when he's surrounded by people who don't know him. And only one of the definitions of "underdog" which is as an "expected loser". If he werent or acted as a clown, to seek for attention, as much as he did when he was young and a troublemaker/trickster, then sure his underdog status would have been null.
     
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    That's I agree with you, that's why we could say that he was a 100% underdog. Bur for me this manga and the main characters objectives was bonds with other people.
     
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    Name situations in part 2 where he was regressed to his part 1 personality without reason.
     

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