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Magi by the creator of Sumomomo Momomo - Part 2

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  1. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    People can be conflicted about things. They can feel one way and think or believe another. It's not inconsistent, it's just a fact people are more complicated than what the surface may indicate. Did they "snap"? No, they've chosen their path after years of internal conflict.

    If it was some outside influence that co-opted their better judgment, that would imply that there is a magical way of changing their ways. And that would be too easy. Forcing Aladdin and friends to kill them and for Judar and Hakuryuu to be right up to the end irredeemable would cause all manner of doubts and emotions to arise them.

    Aladdin is such a robotic little putz that anything that could cause him to question or doubt something would be a welcome change.
     
  2. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    I hope even if they are not possessed, but influenced by Ill Ilah.. too big of a change of heart. Hakuryuu loved Morgiana, and now he considers her trash and want to kill her just for being on Alibabas side just like that..? they havent even met since a long time. it would be Kishimoto level of writing.

    I think its like suppressed emotions brought to the surface, like something thats already inside Hakuryuu - not Ill Ilah - but normally he could suppress them, but Ill Ilah brings out the worst in them. anyway Im sure they wont be irredeemable.
     
  3. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    I think it's clear that Belial forced them into a situation where they had to choose to be good or evil and they chose evil. They probably would have gone on being conflicted forever about who they are and what they're willing to do if they hadn't entered into a life or death situation.

    If your friends and family are nothing more than obstacles to what you really want to do...what exactly are you supposed to think or feel about them? They made their decision and it's a decision that no one they care about will support. Everyone they know is their enemy because of the decision they made, and they've accepted it.
     
  4. ensoriki Son Ganon

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    Was it said if Magicians can be kings candidates? I would assume so, there shouldn't be anything biologically stopping them but all our candidates are Goi.

    Is this to limit them? Aladdin basically used a djinns power back when he had Ugo in his flute.
    Magician + metal vessal too strong?
     
  5. son_michael Embrace The Kai

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    it was more like Belial was trying to cleanse them but he couldn't because there was a great evil deep seated in both of them. Trying to cleanse them simply exposed there was a lot more evil then there was good and they embraced the evil.


    normal sane people wouldn't want to kill their loved ones just because their loved ones don't support them. last time Hakuryu left he was sad to leave his friends but felt like he had no choice, now he's ready to slaughter them with a maniacal laughter. Not only his friends, but his pure heated sister as well. You just can't rationalize such behavior. Then you have Judar talking about how he can't turn good because something inside him won't allow it and Hakuryuu getting that third solomon like eye...all are evidence to support these 2 are being manipulated.
     
  6. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    A magician can be a king, but they can't use a djinn. The djinn's magical codes would interfere with the magician's and vise versa.

    If someone tells you to sit down, don't you feel like standing up? Hakuryuu and Judar took offense to the idea that how they felt didn't matter.

    As for the rest, Hakuryuu and Judar do not qualify as insane. They are just really pissed off and have been for a long time. Dwelling on what's happened to them and how unfair it is has prepared them for the day when they cast everything aside and do something about it. It's not crazy to kill people you love or care about it. People do it all of the time, and not always in the heat of the moment.
     
  7. son_michael Embrace The Kai

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    you might want to go see somebody professional...mental institution seems like a good bet.
     
  8. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    How many people do you think are in prison for murdering their spouse or children?
     
  9. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    still they are not themselves if after the whole mindrape they dont go back to their usual self... its one thing to decide to chose evil in a specific situation, if they have to choose, but once that situation is no more, and they dont have the reason to act evil anymore, people would go back to their usual conflicted self - I mean whats the reason Hakuryuu would have to kill Morgiana right now?

    ignore them? incapacitate them? definitely not killing them. its not like Morgiana stands between him and his goal and he doesnt even have a reason to assume she will, at least as far as killing Gyokuen is concerned. even if she would, he has the option of incapacitating her without killing her.

    most of them have a reason to do so, in Hakuryuus case he'd do it just to prove he can, or just for the sake of cutting ties. sane people dont cut ties with others by murdering them, they just dont call them anymore.
     
  10. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    He's judged her and found her wanting. Also the fact that she will very likely try to stop him while acting on Alibaba's behalf.

    His goal involves the Kou Empire and beyond.

    Hakuryuu is not someone that can be ignored. They will confront him, he knows he's not going to be able to convince them to his point of view, and they will try to stop him. There's a reason why there are some subjects that people really don't want to talk about; worming through them will lead to a grisly and miserable outcome. Hence why even while recognizing his anger, Hakuryuu was isolated instead of confronted.
     
  11. Rai 노블레스

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    Spoiler: Chapter 245 script + pic
    新たなジンの力



    煌帝国領 南天山第九補給基地に現れた白龍とジュダル

    ジュダル「(さーて白龍、ここでどうするつもりだ? お前?)」

    二日前

    ダンジョンから脱出後白龍のネツメグサを使いすぐに合流を果たす二人

    すぐにでも玉艶を倒しにいくかというジュダルだが白龍はまだだと止める

    白龍「ーお前とて自分の出生を知ってからアル・サーメンを皆殺しにしようと考えなかったわけでもないのだろう?

    だが、出来なかった そうだろう?」

    ジュダル「?..まあな あのババアクソ強えしよー」

    そしてそれより厄介なのは手下の?親父ども?で世界中にいるうえに本体を殺さないときりがない

    それに常にルフを飛ばし合って情報を共有し 玉艶へと世界中に起きている事を伝え今も自分たちを見張っているだろうという

    白龍「その通り だから?. 本国へ戻る前にどこか奴らの眼の届かぬ場所で、俺達の力を研ぎ澄ます」

    白龍の力で周囲に隠れていた分身体の二人を捕らえる



    場面は再び第九基地へ

    突然白龍とジュダルが訪れた事に驚く兵士達 白龍が煌帝国を不当に奪った賊 玉艶や練紅炎らを討つと伝えると更にどよめきが起こる

    *「紅炎様を討つだって!!?」どよっ

    白龍が言う 紅炎は簒奪者とする意見に異を唱える基地隊の隊長

    隊長「紅炎様は?簒奪者などではありません!!

    私は存じております 紅炎様は白徳大帝の元、白雄太子らと共に戦乱の天下をおさめるべく必死で戦っておられた

    そしていまは、たったお一人で大帝らの志を継ごうとしておられる 世界を一つにするために!ー」

    しかも、あの大火が起きた時も紅炎様がフェニクス攻略から帰還する最中だったため見殺しにしたわけではないのだという

    隊長「ーあのお方が、それをどれほど悔やんでおられるか何故お分かりにならぬのか!?白龍殿下!!!」

    「なぁ、お前たち!! !?」 周囲の部下たちに目をやる隊長

    しかし先程まで白龍に反感の眼差しを向けていた周りの部下たちの様子は一変 口々に練紅炎が簒奪者だとの声をあげはじめる

    隊長「なッ?頭のなかに何かが入ってくる?何かが見える?!!ヒィィ!!」

    白龍が発動させたベリアルの力により隊長もすぐに洗脳されてしまう その威力にジュダルも少し唖然としている

    ダンジョンで白龍とジュダルがされたように 見えないものを見せたり聞こえるはずのない声を聞かせて生き物を惑わせるのがベリアルの能力なのだという

    基地滞在二日目

    兵士「お願いです!!やめてくれ?やめて下さい!!ーうわぁあああ!!」

    ベリアルとザガンの能力を合わせ、玉艶と戦うのに必要な戦力を作るためといいながら 白龍は兵士を実験台にし続けている

    ジュダル「にしてもベリアルは凄いぜ!他の金属器と同時発動出来る金属器なんて見たことねーよ シンドバッドや紅炎ですらもってねー」

    白龍「そうか これこそがベリアルの強みなのかもな?」

    基地の周りをジュダルがマグノシュタット製の結界で覆いアル・サーメンに情報がもれないようにしているという

    また 捕らえた分身体二人には兵士達とは別の働きをしてもらうといいベリアルのとある技を試しているらしい

    白龍「ーだが、いずれ異変に気付かれよう ベリアルで従わせた兵たちに普段通り振る舞わせてはいるが?もって1~2週間というところか

    それよりも、ジュダル マグノシュタットの結界だと?お前なぜそんなものを使えるようになったんだ?」

    ジュダル「?こいつ?にきいたからだよ マグノシュタットで得た黒ルフ?この中にいるマタル・モガメット

    ただの人間の魔導士のの中では恐らく最強の博識の魔導士だ!こいつらのルフからもっと聞き出して、俺はもっともっと

    強くなってやるぜ?!!」



    夜な夜な自分の中の黒ルフを従わせ より力を引き出そうと苦心しているジュダルの描写

    それからも 白龍はマゴイ操作により分身体の構造を分析しようとしていたり ジュダルに遠隔透視魔法を修得するようにさせるなど行動を続けていた

    十日後

    白龍「ジュダル 時間切れだ」

    ジュダル「なに??」

    第九補給基地の周りに迫る大勢の煌帝国兵 突入直前といった様子

    不敵に笑う白龍とジュダル

    次回、マギ第246話へ
     
  12. Black Knight Active Member

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    What!?

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    Motherfucker gained Mogamett's knowledge!
     
  13. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    lol Mogamett is like a cave man compared to Sheba.
     
  14. Rai 노블레스

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    245 RAW: http://www.mangabird.com/magi-245-magi
     
  15. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    What up with magi lately?

    Seems like it takes forever for a chapter to come out.
     
  16. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    Suppose I'll comment on the new Sinbad arc. Although arc is probably too generous a term. It's almost episodic, but not quite in terms of structure. You can't even say the dungeon conquering is the basis for each story segment.

    Anyway, I'm very skeptical of Sasan not being made into a bad guy of sorts before it's all over. Very conservative, very religious. Makes them perfect butt monkeys for crude jokes.
     
  17. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    new chapter is out btw..

    http://[Blocked Domain]/manga/magi_labyrinth_of_magic/vTBD/c245/1.html
     
  18. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    That's some Sith Lord-level mind-warping right there.
     
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    I knew Hakuryuu was insightful but when he's not holding back and given free reign to apply his machinations...interesting that the dolls/black rukh Judal and Gyokuen use is pretty much like the internet
     
  20. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    so the Al Thamens Hakuryuu were controlling are just the puppets? and how does this works, what about the real magi behind them?
     
  21. Malvingt2 The Normal Maniac

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    The group is short of staff for their Mangas.
     
  22. Rukia its Bayley

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    Hakuryuu is such a twat. Hopes he gets killed in a brutal way. Won't be able to put up with much more of his behavior. :giogio
     
  23. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    I was a bit skeptical of going into detail concerning Hakuryuu's rebellion and assassination of Gyokuen, but this stuff is actually kind of interesting. I like tactics and strategy and seeing just how far Hakuryuu is willing to go to achieve his goals. Not only is he lying, but he's literally forcing others to believe his lies.

    And while I don't like Mogamett, it's fun seeing him give Judar a migraine. It'll be interesting to see if Mogamett's Rukh isn't a double edged sword. If he can put up any resistance at all, unlikely though that might have seemed, maybe he can put up more resistance?
     
  24. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    This chapter was amazing.

    These two are really putting in work.
     
  25. Palm Siberia Well-Known Member

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    Does Magi have technology like Naruto does now :eek:
     
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    Pretty impressed with Hakuryuu. He didn't just go in without a plan like Alibaba did in Balbadd. He knew he needed time to explore Belial's abilities and gain a foothold to use against Al Thamen. Speaking of which, their information network is a bitch to deal with. I knew the dolls were annoying but not that annoying. At least Hakuryuu knew those bastards were following him around all the time. I wonder if they got to report him conquering his second dungeon before they got caught?

    As far as Judar goes, getting to use Mogamett's knowledge and rukh should help him not lose to Aladdin in terms of magical knowledge. Bringing in the medium's power on top of it is currently overkill so I'll put him in the lead right now.
     
  27. Rica_Patin True Patrician

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  28. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    there are a couple of spoiler pics out..


    shit is about to hit the fan..

    Edit: they took it down..
     
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    246 raw:
    http://www.mangabird.com/magi-246-magi?page=0
     
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