Discussion in 'Comics Battledome' started by tttorres, Nov 6, 2009.
angels for the win, Elaine is the presence
The one with Omnipotence wins
The Celestials both and inside their universe, would lose badly IMO.
Elaine "The Omnipotent" Belloc?
*Stares at question again*
So that's a nigh-omnipotent, a nigh-omnipotent, and an omnipotent.
I see how this is a good match.
Without Elaine it's pretty even.
and about a billion other celestials
vs. Lucifer and Michael.
Elaine is literally the definiton of the whole Creation now and became Omnipotent in her universe. Elaine at end of the Lucifer comics or Michael himself should take them on his own.
micheal by himself vs the entire celestial race?
err no he'd be massacred so would lucifer
unless your nemisis or wielding the IG your not taking down the entire celestial race
well no to be fair the LT could do it..but then again the LT rape stomped all over the IG with a mere gesture so
Scathan, a Celestial, was stronger than LT.
Not that it's exactly pertinent to this thread, but, as usually happens when he's shown up, I thought the LT that fought Prot?g? was supposed to have been an M-Body.
There's only one LT in Marvel.
And if it was an M-body, it would have all of LT power, anyway.
An omnipotent and two nigh-omnipotents...
Yep, this is fair.
i wouldn;t consider that cannon then...unless there was reason given
especially given just how powerful he is..and he;s been shown to treat the guys who pwn Celestials like shit
that has to be some Bullshit...
It is canon, whether you consider it to be or not.
All Celestials do not have the same level of power.
Who has he beaten that easily beat Celestials?
He never actually fought an IG wielder.
so Captain America can choke the hulk out?
the Sentry can stalemate Galactus? these things happened..but their bullshit..i doubt any one takes them seriously....
more so..there have been instances regarding the Lt has jobbed and the editors have flat out stated that its not cannon.his low showings as far as i am aware have been officially tossed out
so yeah...this maybe one of those..
so what? no Celestial has shown omniversal power..none..there is an lack of evidence...
if its cannon that Eternity created the Celestials..and thats not been rectonned..then for a start...their creator bows before him
Big has out and out killed one Celestial..and eaten it...while he has shown to struggle with more then one
more over.the Lt Shut off the IG like it was nothing and more or less told adam warlock that they'd destroy the multiverse but he'd still win
he killed nemisis..aparently...and she was the IG
more over his feats with the brothers and other such things place him well over any thing any celestial has shown
You're talking about PIS, this is not PIS since we have no other showings from Scathan to suggest he is weaker than LT. Your example doesn't apply.
It's not a low showing, you don't know what you're talking about. Scathan was shown to simply be stronger than LT. No, it's not one of those.
No, there isn't a lack of evidence, since you know, Scathan showed that power.
It is completely irrelevant who created the Celestials, that says nothing about where there level of power is.
I have no idea who Big is or what you're talking about.
He never told AW he would win, he said their fight would destroy reality. In fact, LT was never sure he could beat AW.
LT didn't beat Nemesis.
Yes, every Celestial except Scathan.
You are pretty much wrong on everything and most of your argument doesn't even make sense.
When was this?
Scans if possible, please.
I thought LT was the the second-most powerful being in Marvel, second only to TOAA...
Was in the Protege storyline, w/e that was Guardians of the Galaxy.
which is backed up by every one...and almost every comic
thats probably one of those feats like Captain America punking hulk..or spiderman beating fire lord
. . .
I've already told you the difference.
and your completely wrong
your also kinda challenging marvels official position on the matter too
How am I wrong, it all happened in a story you have probably never even heard of.
No, I'm not challenging Marvel's position, you know, since the comic was published by Marvel.
So Squirrel Girl merely Galactus level am I right
i have heard of it...again..when one guy is an omnversal god...that all manners of cannon..treat
and the other is not..you cannot use that feat
i haven't insulted you...
by that logic..like i said Cap can choke out the hulk
and sentry is a galactus level threat
Calling you ignorant is not an insult. You don't know what I'm talking about, or at least haven't read the story, thus, you're ignorant.
No, by the misconstrued logic you are trying to apply it is the same, except those characters have established levels of power which puts those feats as an outlier compared to their others, therefore we can say it's PIS. Scathan's only showing is him being stronger than LT and beating someone that LT could not.
You are either incapable of understanding this, or not allowing yourself to.
what I'm doing is running the LT's over all history of feats
and marvels own state of "he;s top dog..and we'll recton or ignore anything that says other wise"..i mean see what happened to jim shooters little character?
and going "yeah that was criminity"
Yea, Scathan and Protege were never retconned.
it would still be inconsistent with his other performances
i mean it'd be like Trying to reason OWAW for superman
it just don;t compute mind you for the reverse reason (one massively over powered a char..the under) but still
How is it inconsistent?
his multiversal feats
him cannonically more powerful..then the brothers...and what not
How does his multiversal feats make it inconsistent?
Scathan is canonically more powerful than the brothers, as is Protege, MJJ, Wanda, Abraxas, etc.
I never knew that a Celestial can be that strong, but Havoc is right.
It's even stated in LT's bio.
On the other hand:
I can understand the point of The immortal WatchDog. On the other hand Marvel is inconsistent after so many years of comics and different writers.
There have been beings more powerful than LT, for example Pre retcon Beyonder who was literally stated to be omnipotent in the comic and had the back up of the writer, still many people ignore it, and it's retconned anyway.
Heck even in DC you have this crap. The Presence might not be omnipotent, I'm not sure either. Yahweh....
But what we do know is, Scathan defeated someone that even the LT couldn't, whether Scathan had the back up of TOAA, is uncertain, since it's also not stated in the comic. Till it's retconned or explored more in a different comic, it can't be counted wrong if people say that Scathan is above LT, I guess.
Even the comic book fanboys can't decide:
And BTW, this is a spite thread, I guess everyone knows that by now.
those of higher Celestials ( can be others that have yet to been seen )
scathan and exitar are just 2 that have show to be very powerful.
Spectre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god and the angels
Spectre had so much power at this point that he was able to see concepts undreamt of by even his Master (God):
Given that God is omnipotent, that's impossible...silly writers.
i guess he's not so omnipotent like they say
And yet spectre has recently talked about how the prescence surpasses everyone and everything in creation(which includes himself),also spectre and michael have had atleast 2 run ins and both times michael has shown himself to be far superior to spectre.
Lucifer possesses incalculable power; he can shape the matter of creation into anything he can imagine including matter, energy, and more abstract concepts such as time. However, he does have certain limitations. Simply put, he cannot create something out of nothing. He needs existing matter (and where that is unavailable, the Demiurgic power of the archangel Michael) to provide the foundation for him to shape. Only his brother Michael Demiurgos is his equal in power, and only the God of the Covenant is superior to both of them. However, in certain dimensions he is powerless and much of his supernatural power depends upon possession of his angelic wings, but he is never without the formidable resources of his brilliant intellect and his unbending will.
not bad for the fallen one. but he can't make life out of nothing.. hmm
i am going to ask everyone something. do you think the archangels can beat dr. doom with Galactus and Pre-Retcon Beyonder powers, with the ig? i ask this because it took doom
GEB cock slap>>>Full power Spectre.
So basically, the celestials can survive a demurgic energy from Michael? Energy that can destroy "creation".
Why would you necro this?
..Elaine > Michael = Lucifer > The One Above All > Scathan > Tiamut > Arishem > Exitar > Other Named Celestials > Fodder Celestials; yep, this thread is top-notch alright
Separate names with a comma.