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Komamura vs Nnoitra and Love vs Grimmjow

Discussion in 'Bleach Battledome' started by Yoshua, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. Yoshua That Guy

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    LOCATION: Hueco Muendo
    SOM: In character
    DISTANCE: 40m
    RESTRICTIONS: None
    SPECIAL: Love has unlimited mask time.

    So basically the 7th division captains have teamed up to go to Hueco Muendo to fight against the arrancar and come across Nnoitra and Grimmjow. Komamura takes Nnoitra while Love fights Grimmjow.

    SPECIAL SCENARIO: The fights are reversed and Grimmjow fights Komamura while Rose takes on Nnoitra.

    Put both of these fights in one thread so I don't flood the battle pit.
     
  2. yurilandia Yuri Fan Girl No. 1

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    Escenario 1: Noitra R1/Grimmjow R1 low diff :uwah

    Especial: Noitra R1/Grimmjow R1 low diff :geg
     
  3. Yoshua That Guy

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    Care to explain WHY maybe? Even if they win, I don't see it being low difficulty.
     
  4. 2Broken The Madness of Wisdom

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    Well I think Love can take Grimmjow, but with some difficulty due to the way Grimmjow fights and Grimmjow's long range abilites, but I see Nnoritra being a tough match up for Komamura due to his hierro and the fact he likes to fight CQC. So I see Nnoritra taking his match mid difficulty by staying close to Komarura.

    As for the special scenario i'd say Love would take Nnoritra with a little less difficulty than Grimmjow, because I don't think Nnorita could block or tank Visored Love's shikai. That means his only choice left is to dodge which I don't think he could do for long since his fighting style is CQC based. I also think Grimmjow will take Komarura with mid difficulty, because I don't think Komamura could nail him with his bankai and if Grimmjow gets a good hit with a desgarron it will likely be over.
     
  5. Yoshua That Guy

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    While I agree with Love, I have a bit of a disagreement with sajin. He managed to tag vizard tousen fairly quickly, as his bankai is as fast as he is. And komamuras faster than he looks, plus he has good reaction skills. Desgarron didn't seem that amazing as an exhausted ichigo could tank it with his sword, and komamura is an endurance beast.
     
  6. Lord Hirako Member

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    Love solos they have nothing that can put him down and his faster than Both of them a 2 or 3 Hikifukis should do the trick, adding Komamura is overkill
     
  7. Ejenku Zero_Smoke

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    Grimmjow would do down to a Masked Love's Shikai. If he could survive Starrks wolves and Ceros. I don't see Grimmjow having the firepower to keep him down either.

    Nnoitra doesn't seem that fast so I think Koma won't have a hard time tagging him. The question is whether Koma has the strength to get pass his defense in Bankai. I mean even 1 handed unpatched Kenpachi couldn't do it. Even if koma can it took Kenpachi two full power strikes with 2 hands to do it. Koma hasn't shown his Bankai strength is as strong as Kenpachi unpatched.

    Koma also takes damage if his bankai is hit and Nnoi has the strength to kill Kenpachi unpatched. Koma either draws or dies against Nnoi.
     
  8. Grimm

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    Scenario 1:

    Grimmjow "jiu jitsus" on Love and stomps him... Love ain't got a chance against him in CQC and Desgarron destroys him, hell, like Grimmjow would even need to use Desgarron for such an opponent :lmao.
    Besides... Shinji needed his mask for one arm wounded base Grimmjow... Love isn't that different from Shinji... Grimmjow with Ressurection easily has the upperhand.

    Nnoitra vs Komamura is a stomp for Nnoitra..
    Patched Kenpachi >> Shikai Komamura and Shikai Tousen together.
    Released Nnoitra > Unpatched Kenpachi(no kendo)
    Unpatched Kenpachi >> Patched Kenpachi.
    The result is more than obvious... Nnoitra slices the shit out of Komamura and if he can stop one handed Kenpachi's strikes then he can also block Bankai Komamura's with absolute ease. Size of the sword =/= Power.

    Special Scenario:

    Nothing changes.

    -Grimmjow blitzes and destroys Komamura and Nnoitra destroys Love in CQC.
     
  9. Yoshua That Guy

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    Keep in mind that Komamura has never used two hands on his bankai before. I've checked his panels and everytime he fights, he only uses one hand on his bankai, something I find interesting. If what Kenpachi said is true, then I bet Komamura could use some kendo as well with both hands to strike down kenpachi.
     
  10. Grimm

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    Kenpachi's Kendo is different...

    Nnoitra knew that 2 hands make a strike stronger... If the powerup was insanely huge for everyone like Kenpachi's is then he wouldn't underestimate him.

    Don't apply Kendo Kenpachi powerup to anyone else please...

    /I'm out of here.
     
  11. KuzuRyuSen The Specialist

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    There was no real power-up when Kenpachi used two hands against Nnoitora. All Kenpachi did was make his strike stronger to break through Nnoitora. I mean its not a special move or anything that would give anyone some super special power-up. Thus anyone could've done something like it.
     
  12. docj i have returned

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    More 'Spada wank. :apathy

    3 words troll
    Spoiler:
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    Get out of here with that trash. Shinji had no trouble with one-armed Grimmjow and was easily dodging his attacks. Shinji did NOT need mask. He used it to put Grim down quick because he was destroying the town. you talk as if Grimmjow forced Shinji into using his mask.

    Love beats the shit out of Grimmjow. Unlimited Mask time too? Grimmjow gets smacked into the ground just like Stark was. Stark is faster than Grimmjow and he got tagged so the chances of him avoiding getting hit are slim.

    More BS. This is Bankai Komamura. How hard is it to stop a Strike from Unpachted Kenpachi? Hold your sword up and block. If you have enough reiatsu you can stop anothers sword with your sword correct? Shikai Ichigo was able to do it. Hell Komamura was able to stop patched Kenpachi's strike with his hands.

    Nnorita is at a disadvantage he is purely CQC Komamura has the advantage because he has range. Nnorita is not a speedster and hasn't shown the ability to be able to fly. :giogio at people saying Nnorita will rush him in CQC when Koma could just Shunpo away and smash him with KTM. Komamura can be at the other side of the battlefield and smash Nnorita repeatedly.

    Nnorita definitely cannot stop KTM's strike. He can block it to soften the damage but how long can he keep that up before he's paste? Koma takes this 7 times out of 10.


    You are correct nothing changes. Komamura and Love proceed to solo.

    Koma has no problem fighting speedsters, being able to tag Masked Tousen greatly wounding him if it had not been for HSR.

    Tousen is at least equal to masked Ichigo and other Masked Captains. Masked Tousen was dropped by Bankai Komamura. You do the math. If any of the vizards or Ichigo were back handed by KTM the result would be the same or worse.

    Tousen>Grimmjow; also couple the fact that Grimm lacks HSR he's toast. Grimmjow dies 9/10 times.

    Love Smacks Nnorita around. Love's shikai blocked stark's ceros effortlessly. He could easily block Nnorita's strikes and smack him with Hifuki no Koduchi.

    Love takes this 9/10.
     
  13. Johnny &#32

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    I think Love could trash Grimmjow without his mask, tbh.

    I'm probably too bias for Nnoitra to comment on the other match.
     
  14. Akitō Hokage

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    Komamura loses to Nnoitra. Honestly, he's been the least impressive captain for me. His treatment in the Soul Society Arc was similar to Hitsugaya's, but Hitsugaya got some redemption when he defeated Harribel. Komamura hasn't had that chance yet, so he's left with a few very lackluster victories and some embarrassing losses.

    Nnoitra managed to make Kenpachi try his hardest - we didn't see Komamura's battle with Kenpachi, but I really don't think Kenpachi even took his patch off. We'd have to see more from Komamura, but as of now I think he'd lose.

    Love also doesn't have many impressive feats. He hit Starrk a few times, but Starrk wasn't trying. And right when Starrk started to get serious, Love was quickly beaten. I think if Love could use his bankai, he'd definitely be stronger than Grimmjow, but with just his shikai, his feats don't match up to the Sixth Espada's.
     
  15. docj i have returned

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    Your biased Opinion means nothing Akito without anything to back it. I explicitly stated how, with examples how i believe it's possible for Komamura to win the match-up. Your response was solely on the point that He hasn't impressed you enough. Embarrasing? He lost only to Ressurected Tousen and Aizen.

    Only at the end of the fight when Kenpachi realized he could die if he kept on playing around. Ken mearley stopped joking around used Kendo to end the fight. Making Kenpachi fight his hardest is him using to hands from the get go.

    Kenpachi and Bankai Komamura never fought, How many times has this got to be explained to people like you? Komamura left after he sensed Yamamoto's spirit pressure. Even Kenpachi states that "he said something about the old man and left"

    Having the power to smack around the 1st Espada and forcing him to get really serious and using his strongest attack is not a feat? :giogio

    :psyduck 1st Espada Released>>>>>>>6th Espada Released. There's no comparison. Yes, love was damaged by the wolf pack but he wasn't outright killed. So i say he's a pretty hardy fighter. Surviving the 1st Espada's assault greater than surviving the 6th's. Dessgaron is essentially featless trash blocked by a half dead Ichigo.
     
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  16. Johnny &#32

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    Smh. :maybe

    Also, there's no point in fighting Love's corner. People see what they want to see in regards to the Visoreds' accomplishments.
     
  17. docj i have returned

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    Yea your right JS. I Edited that statement to be clearer to what i was trying to get across

    Yea, Love shouldn't have much trouble it at all with either Espada 1 on 1 AND unlimited mask time
     
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  18. Akitō Hokage

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    Why are you calling my opinion biased when we've never conversed before?

    Do you honestly expect me to read and respond to your 'analysis' when it's riddled with such an absurd amount of ad hominem fallacies? I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hasn't even got the tact to debate properly. Sorry!

    And by the way, you didn't explain anything significant in your initial post. You've stated your opinion, but that's really it; you didn't explicate why it's correct.
     
  19. docj i have returned

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    We've conversed several times in past threads. And yes i know first hand your bias towards certain characters.

    I stated my Opinion and refuted your claims backed evidence in the manga. More than what you've done so far.

    Ad Hominem? I'm not arguing against you which what Ad Hominem is...but against your biased argumment that Komamura and Love loses simply because they have not impressed you. I give you a chance to explain your reasoning yet you do not. Concession Accepted.

    And don't act as if i came at you out the blue and i attacked you. You browsed the thread first, negged me, then made your first post saying they were going to lose based on the fact the two don't impress you. The neg was in my CP 10 minutes before a post was made in this thread. So when you made your first post i responded to you to get your reasoning. Which was nothing..

    So basically you negged my post based on the sole fact that my opinion and your opinion differ? Not because it was a bad post or terrible post but because it differed from your Opinion. :apathy

    You are a Hypocrite my friend and the act doesn't fool me. Your a troll like the rest.

    And as i said before i'm 24'd at the moment..EDIT: Nevermind i'm not
     
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  20. Grimm

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    Anyone? Sorry... I don't think so... Kenpachi is the only emphasized character when it comes to this.

    Nnoitra himself completely underestimated him and saw it as a joke. As you can see Kenpachi's 2 handed swing was beyond normal.

    NOTE: docj... You called Akito biased??? BIASED??? :rotfl

    He calls every opinion that he desagrees with it... Biased...

    Even though his own posts are full of his own fanfiction :lmao.
    BTW Akito... You've got it right on in the bolded. That's exactly what he does all the time and that's why I try to avoid replying to him as well.

    Though other members will cry if I ignore someone so I'm kinda forced to reply even though he's a numbskull that won't get one single word of what we say to him.

    EDIT: Oh wait... docj called Akito is a troll?

    Oh the irony :distracted.
     
  21. docj i have returned

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    Name one incident of me being biased towards a character, stating personally how they "don't impress me" which is why they will lose. You can't.

    Oh and G6J if you really believe i'm such a terrible poster, look in the mirror. Your ten times worse-->Pot calling the kettle black :distracted
     
  22. Grimm

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    Tousen... Komamura...

    X
     
  23. docj i have returned

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    Do you lack reading comprehension?? Again i say "reference a post where i said they would win because their opponent Failed to impress me.:

    :fuck
     
  24. Grimm

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    :blinditachi:blinditachi:zaru:zaru
     
  25. Akitō Hokage

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    You're giving me a chance to look smart, docj. You've called me 'biased' several times - that's an ad hominem fallacy, sir.

    Why are you emphasizing the fact that Love and Komamura haven't impressed me? Of course they haven't impressed be compared to Grimmjow and Nnoitra: that's why I'm saying they'll lose.

    And what do you mean I didn't have any reasoning? I gave my reasoning: Nnoitra seemingly pushed Kenpachi a lot harder than did Komamura, and Love hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy because he fought an unresolved Starrk.

    No, that's not why I gave you a negative. I took away some of your points because you've used the same fallacy over and over again and you don't seem to comprehend that it doesn't help your cause.

    At the very least, can you admit that now you've resorted to an ad hominem fallacy?
     
  26. Grimm

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    He is likely googling what "ad hominem" means :lmao.
     
  27. Ausorrin She said its ok

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    Love being overrated as usual. Grimmjow would wreck him
     
  28. docj i have returned

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    Not a fallacy when you are AKito.


    Which again is personal bias. What impresses you does not impress others

    You posted a fallacy that Bankai Komamura and Kenpachi fought which i refuted. You said nothing else.

    Even if Released Stark was Unresolved he is still leagues above Grimmjow.



    What fallacy did i use Akito? Again i say i stated why i believed with examples why Komamura and Love would win before you even posted in this said thread. We had no interaction in this thread, so your ad hominem argument falls flat on it's face. Only after you negged me, then posted in this thread, did i engage you in conversation.


    That's the problem, It's not a fallacy
     
  29. docj i have returned

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    Says the guy who can't spell properly.
     
  30. yurilandia Yuri Fan Girl No. 1

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    Like the (Grimm6jack) :urahaha

    :edu:dance
     
  31. Gina ; ]

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    Biased??? BIASED? Do you even know what does the word BIASED means???
     
  32. Akitō Hokage

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    It's still a fallacy, then. You really don't understand the concept of what a fallacious argument is, do you?

    Okay, I'm going to make this very clear and go through this slowly as you don't seem to comprehend how these debates work.

    'What impresses you does not impress others.' That's true. What Komamura and Love have done doesn't impress me as much as what Grimmjow and Nnoitra have done. What Grimmjow and Nnoitra have done doesn't impress you as much as what Komamura and Love have done. But we're not both necessarily infused with personal bias; we've just got different interpretations.

    Really, I'm not sure how old you are, but if you want to have any success in convincing people later on in life, I dearly pray that you don't adopt this kind of rash attitude. This fight isn't so clear-cut because we don't have any middle-ground to compare the characters from - none of them have fought the same opponents.

    I'm not even going to bother responding to your arguments because you've made it patently evident that you can't participate in a debate without resorting to name-calling and other petty insults. Not only that, but you also don't seem to understand that in a thread like this, interpretation is what really matters.

    No, it doesn't fall flat on its face because you resorted to an ad hominem fallacy when you refuted yurilandia and Grimm6jack's posts.
     
  33. J★J♥ Vento Aureo

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    All i can say about this thread
    Nnoitora stomps left and right
     
  34. Takahashi I'm with Eyeshield 21

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    Embarrassing losses? I wouldn't say that at all. He's had the misfortune of going up against Aizen twice, and fighting Bug Tousen, who was clearly incredibly strong (He went from having his arm destroyed by a backhand to effortlessly stopping KTM's sword with one twiggy bug arm). Hardly embarrassing, many captains would be trashed.

    I'm of the opinion that they never fought, given the lack of any injuries on either side and the fact that Komamura ran. I also find it hard to believe that between a Bankai that transfers damage, and a guy who likes to be cut, there wouldn't be any significant injuries if they'd actually fought.

    Stark admitted that his strongest attack was necessary, and that "mere ceros" wouldn't be enough for Love and Rose. I'd say that speaks a lot about how he perceived their strength, as well as the vast difference in power between the two attacks. It's also worth noting that Love and Rose were still ready to fight afterwards. Sure, they were hurt, but it's not like they were actually put down.

    None of the Vaizards have a whole lot of feats. But don't you generally factor in "author's intent" when you post? Don't you think there's a reason Love fought the Primera and was recognized as being strong by him?
     
  35. Grimm

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    Something that docj doesn't know what it is since he called Akito biased... :geg

    His post wasn't biased at all.

    1st decent thing this dude said in all his life in this forum.

    Yes, even Nnoitra can solo this...

    X

    Fix'd... He didn't refute my posts at all. He tried to... Failed miserably. Unfortunately since he was against me, many people don't want to point out his flaws since most here don't ... "like me" per se... They should be because otherwise his ego will grow too much and one day he will start saying that his opinion is fact, well, not like he doesn't do that already...
     
  36. Takahashi I'm with Eyeshield 21

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    :lmao

    Grimmy, he used one of your quotes, but replaced "facts" with "biased".

    I figured you'd seen it done before, maybe not :hmm
     
  37. jNdee~ MangSlayer

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    You're the epitome of biased here actually.

    Once Grimmjow's dick is mentioned, your mouth automatically opens up and proceed to suck at it.
     
  38. HiroshiSenju Hiroshi Senju

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    I can see Masked Shikai Love taking Grimmjow, despite his lack of feats, but it won't be a cakewalk. The Vizard Captains all strike me as pretty powerful (more-so than Ichigo, almost intuitively given their experience and access to the same type of abilities but to a higher degree), and Love at least has some pretty good reaction feats with Tengumaru in that he was able to hit a mobile Starrk. Hifuki no Kodzuchi, if anything, would certainly deal a lot of damage to Grimmjow. Both seem CQC oriented, but I have a feeling that Love is just on a higher level in terms of raw power and the fact that he survived Starrk's wolves which are stronger than Released Starrk's ceros. If nothing at all, Bankai Masked Love beating Grimmjow is almost a given.

    I'm not sure how to approach Komamura vs Nnoitra. I do think Komamura can cut Nnoitra. He simply has too much raw power not to be able to at least deal some damage to the guy. The biggest issue is Nnoitra's excellent CQC skill, which would give Komamura trouble. Otherwise, however, Nnoitra is a fortunate opponent for someone like Komamura who tends not to move around much in a fight because Nnoitra isn't particularly fast, so Komamura should definitely have some openings available. Someone brings up the point of Komamura using Kendo. It's actually not a bad idea. Kenpachi's Kendo strike was not a character specific boost entirely. The use of two hands enhances power for everyone; it's just more noticeable with Kenpachi, who possesses a significant degree of raw power on his own. Other captains, of course, can't replicate powerful strikes to the same degree as Kenpachi through sheer physical strength EXCEPT for Komamura whose strength is his forte (considering also he has better strength feats than Kenpachi). Either way, both sides will take a beating. Komamura will get cut up a few times and Nnoitra will get smashed a few times.
     
  39. Grimm

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    Oh he did that??? Yes I still remember that quote... Never though anyone would even remember something as insignificant as that.

    But seriously Gin... That was... Random... :geg
     
  40. Tapion Active Member

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    I can see love and Koma taking this...for the special scenario grim vs koma grim should win, and Love vs Nnoit...Love should win .i dont want to go into detail...:noworries
     
  41. Yoshua That Guy

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    Love being overrated? More like Grimmjow being overrated as usual.

    This is pretty much my reasoning to the battle, just perfect. Love's reactions were good enough to keep up with released Grimmjow, and his attacks were devastating. Making the first espada use his strongest attack is much better than that desgarron that got sliced by half dead Ichigo. Plus, all that fire would be too much I think. For crying out loud, one swing from that club busted the entire block.

    X

    Komamura vs Nnoitra would be a tougher battle for the 7th division captain, but yeah, kendo isn't a special technique requiring reiatsu or anything, it's just two hands on the sword, something that Komamura has never shown us, and most people already think of Komamura's bankai being the most destructive (bar Yamamotos), so imagine what kendo with KTM would do.

    While Nnoitra does have good CQC skills, Komamura's bankai does give him some range, and Nnoitra's not that fast to begin with. That and even if he does get close, Komamura is an endurance beast, and would most likely be able to push him back. Either that or shunpo away and hit with bankai till the praying mantis is squashed.
     
  42. Grimm

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    Wow... What the hell has Love done to actually put him above Released Grimmjow or Released Nnoitra???
    :rotfl

    (Some of)You guys never cease to amuse.

    Komamura defeating either Nnoitra or Grimmjow is just :apathy. Specially Nnoitra who we can compare with Komamura directly.
     
  43. docj i have returned

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    More denial


    Wrong, i never said Grimmjow or Nnorita did not impress me. As a matter of fact they do but i never said because they Personally impress me more i'd give them the win. Akito your not using interpretation your using whoever appealed to you which turns this into a popularity contest and that's not how debates work. With your logic i could say Hitsugaya impressed me the most , therefore he'd get the win over Juha Bach because he hasn't impressed me as much as Hitsugaya. That's my interpretaion...doesn't make it right now does it?


    When you say Grimmjow and Nnorita win because they impress you more. That's not a debate. That's your personal opinion. Add on the fact that you gave no explanation when asked, and used a false feat to (Patched Kenpachi fighting Bankai Komamura) push your argument/interpretation and when refuted you went on this tirade saying i was attacking you personally and not your faulty logic.

    My attitude is not rash, you are clearly overly-sensitive.

    Fighting the same opponents has nothing to do with discussing character strengths in a debate. As Takashi said there is a such thing as Author's intent.

    I accept your concession. It's been 4 posts and you haven't said anything to back up your argument. No manga evidence, just "personal opinion/interpretation"


    I never said anything to Grimm6jack personally in my first post read again.

    i will agree With yurilandia however. The only replies i've seen from this poster with Grimmjow in the title no matter the thread is Grimmjow low diff

    This
     
  44. Stein &#32

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    Scenario 1:
    Love with mid-high difficulty.

    I'd say Komamura could win with high difficulty, Nnoitra is a good opponent for him to be matched up against, though if Nnoitra overwhelms Koma (not KTM) in CQC early on Nnoitra could win. :hmm

    Scenario 2:
    Love mid-high difficulty again.

    Either High difficulty. One Kendo strike from KTM is too much for Grimmjow, though I can't imagine him being hit by it easily.
     
  45. Grimm

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    Starrk was too modest.

    He's like Luffy from One Piece... Luffy calls fodder or mid-tiers "strong".

    And no doubt... They are strong. But implying that Starrk saying that Love is "strong" automatically makes him stronger than Grimmjow is quite stupid.

    Starrk calls them strong yet he later when serious stomped the shit out of him and Rose together and was even being mercifull to them...
     
  46. Zeit Now With No Shits Given

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    7th takes both scenarios, no more than mid difficulty collectively.
     

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