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Jiraiya vs Tsunade

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by narut0ninjafan, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. narut0ninjafan Active Member

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    Location: The bar where Jiraiya threatened to kill Tsunade if she betrayed Konoha (EDIT: ok that turned out to be filler, but still X)
    Distance: 5m
    State of mind: IC
    Knowledge: Manga
    Restrictions: Sozou Saisei, Sage Mode

    Who wins?
     
  2. LegendaryBeauty Queen of Slugs & Drugs

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    Five metres?

    This isn't going to end well.
     
  3. Puppetry Ōkashō

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    Jiraiya is far too versatile and powerful in base for Tsunade. She's been stripped of her ultimate technique, so she's forced to rely on her puunching, and Katsuyu.
     
  4. Estar Mage-nin

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    In Character? Tsunade. Jman will stare at her boobs and she will punch him in the face ^^

    Real combat: Tsunade does not stand a chance against Jiraiya even in his base form. Not at all
     
  5. LegendaryBeauty Queen of Slugs & Drugs

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    In five metres. With Tsunade having the advantage at close quarter combats. And deadly strength.

    Five metres.

    And Jiraiya still wins? Okay.
     
  6. Eternal Pein Amegakure

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    Sadly at 5m Tsunade can just punch Jiraiya in the face with her chakra inhanced strength and win.
     
  7. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Whats a Base Jiraiya gonna do at 5m when he's IC? Yomi Numa doesn't do crap when you have the strength to pull yourself out. And certainly any Katon attacks can be dodged. Jiraiyas forced to use Needle Jizo to stop Tsunades attacks at close range. And even then, he'll still take major amounts of damage when she lands her strikes. If he manages to take off to a range and summon Bunta, then Tsunade summons Katsuyu. Furthermore, a few strikes from Tsunade and Bunta is dead. If Jiraiya tries Toad Flame Bombs Katsuyu protects Tsunade. If he sinks Katsuyu with Yomi Numa, big deal. Tsunade can still take out Bunta with ease. And as long as a few Katsuyu divisions break off and attach to Tsunade, she still has her source of protection.

    In other words, regardless of whether they use their summons or not, in the end - it will still be Jiraiya and Tsunade fighting it out on their own. And with no way of attacking her at such a close range with no Sage Mode, all Jiraiya has left is basic Katon and rasengan attacks. All of which are easily dodged by Tsunade.
     
  8. Sadgoob Editing Specialist

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    What's Tsunade gonna' do against Jiraiya's piked hair armoring?
     
  9. hmph Serious about fiction

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    Walk backwards.
     
  10. narut0ninjafan Active Member

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    You guys might want to consider that Base Jiraiya should be faster than Tsunade, but I will change the distance if it's too unfair.
     
  11. Estar Mage-nin

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    Do you have any knowledge about real combat? 5 Meters is still more then enough space to: Retreat, walk backwards, dodge, sidestep, in narutoverse jump far away, summon a doton shield...and Tsunades arm is not 5 meters long ^^

    Even if the distance was just 0,5 meters Jiraiya can dodge this. You know even if someone stands infront of you you can still dodge attacks and since Tsunades Attack Style is straight forward boxing its so easy to rpedict her moves...hell even i could dodge that.
     
  12. River Song Purple Doodad

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    Punch. As much as I love this technique and I do, Tsunade lifted up Gamabunta's Tanto this defense won't stop her for very long. If this was say 20m or even 10m I would give this to Jiraya but since it is 5m I think Tsunade will take this

    EDIT: I beleive Jiraya might have a chance of dodging her first punch but even if he gets away Tsunade can shunshin
     
  13. Senjuclan Mori No Senju Ichizoku

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    Earth Release: Underworld* Swamp (土遁・黄泉沼, Doton: Yomi Numa)
    Ninjutsu, A-rank, Offensive, All ranges
    User: Jiraiya

    The more you struggle, the more you sink
    A bottomless swamp from Hell!!


    With all her strength Tsunade should sink faster :zaru

    They are no longer at 5 meters then

    Let's forget for a minute that he is faster than her but do you know what would happen to her if she punched him?

    X

    This times three. Hari jizo pierced Orochimaru's foot completely and Jiraiya was at 30%. Tsunade will be arm would in greater trouble. Plus, is that really all that Jiraiya can do in CQC as you claim? He can't use rasengan? He can't use toad gourd prison? He can't use toad mouth bind? He can't use wild lion mane? He can't use food cart destroyer? He can't summon Bunta to block her? PLUUUUZZZZZZZ


    Katsuyu say hi to Doton: Yomi numa

    When fighting a great number of enemies or having to face gigantic creatures, this is an extremely effective technique.

    Katsuyu is fodder for this jutsu. If she keeps her gigantic form, she is easy to sink. If she breaks down, she is easier to sink

    She protects her before or after she is sunk with yomi numa?

    Big if there given how large Jiraiya can make the swamp

    I remember, she has great dodging feats, right? She is going to dodge ranjishigami and Gamayu endan, right? She will also dodge gamaguchi shibari, right? She will dodge yomi numa, right?

    Come on man. Tsunade is inferior to Jiraiya even in base
     
  14. Orxon shurorororo

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    Jiraiya is no fool, he's not going to engage Tsunade in close quarters. He can very casually retreat and create some distance then destroy her from range.
     
  15. Estar Mage-nin

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    Honestly i dont see the 5 Meters to be a problem. Base Jiraiya has about the same speed and Tsunades Attackpattern is so predictable. She always goes for full damage - pulling back arm moving shoulders - if you know martial arts such punches are heavy indeed but are SO easy to evade...for real. The 5 meter distance is no problem at all Jiraiya can easily dodge. And 5 meters...he still as plenty of time to retreat.

    also agree with senjuclan
     
  16. Musefreak Greatest Swordsmen

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    Jiraiya takes this easily he is more versitile and has more summons and jutsus to use to easily overpower Tsunade.
     
  17. Scorpion GET OVER HERE!

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    What the hell? 5 meters = automatic Tsunade win? Honestly Jiraiya just jumps back and puts her in Yomi Numa.

    But IC means Jiraiya stares at her tits and gets his head knocked off.
     
  18. goldendriger So DOES want a custom title!

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    IC- Jiraiya would look at her boobs and- Nah seriously, IC Jiraiya is a serious fighter, i dont remember him fighting Konan and say "Hey, baby...can i buy you a drink afterwards? ;D"
    Plus as many others have pointed out, Tsunade pulls her arm back for a punch, Jiraiya moves back, runs out the bar and preps while Tsunade pulls her arm out of the table and gives chase...right into a Katon
     
  19. Chimichaunga Dragon of the West

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    Jiraiya would win. Tsunade couldnt even defeat Kabuto and she is afraid of blood! how could she even be a ninja? i do not know. But she is strong just Jiraiya is stronger since he could hold his own against Orochimaru and was chosen to Hokage first.
     
  20. Nvus Sole

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    Jiraiya's vice aside, Jiraiya would win. He has a wide range of techniques such as Yomi Numa that can cover more than a 5m radius.
     
  21. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Except by the law of logic strength lets you pull yourself out :zaru


    Yup.

    Faster than her? I don't see how base Jiraiya is faster than Tsunade. Tsunade has successfully reacted to and even blitzed Orochimaru. She even blitzed Manda, who was able to blitz Jiraiya and Gamabunta simultaneously. She manages to cover gargantuan distances during the Pein arc within mere moments. Jiraiyas best speed feat was dodging some of Konans paper attacks which wasn't exactly spectacular. His ribs would completely crumble, as would most other bones in his body. Her hands might recieve a few slashes and piercings if he has his hair sheild up, but like Tsunade can stop that once shes already thrown the punch. Tsunade takes minor damage that she can tank and easily heal from. Jiraiya gets made battle incapable. I should add, Jiraiya was drugged, that does not mean his chakra levels were at a measly 30%. Give me proof of said statement.

    Rasengan? Whats he going to do with a rasengan? Tsunade just dodges it. Or knocks him out as he prepares it. Toad Gourd Prison was only ever used in Sage Mode, if he was able to use such a powerful technique in base he would've done so when fighting Orochimaru. I should add that he requires the Summoning technique beforehand, handseals and reaching down to the ground to summon requires time. At 5 metres Shunshin + punch = dead Jiraiya. Toad Mouth Bind is pretty useless, sets both Jiraiya and Tsunade in an enclosed space where large summons and jutsu which have AoE are unusable - pretty much screws over most of Jiraiyas battle techniques. Wild Lion Mane would be the death of him. If be tries to bind her with hair she not only rips her arms out, but she pulls him forwards and punches him in the face.


    I've already covered that. Thanks for ignoring me! :) Yep, Yomi Numa has Katsuyu sunk, but equally - a punch from Tsunade has Gamabunta crippled. Furthermore, its not like Katsuyu gets swallowed whole straight away. Tsunade can just desummon Katsuyu and resummon her should she see fit. Tsunade has the chakra capacity to heal hundreds and hundreds of people at once. Summoning Katsuyu will require minimal chakra.


    Waheey, you ignored me again! What stops big Katsuyu having smaller divisions attach to Tsunade for protection?

    What?

    Not once did I ever say she would dodge even one of those moves. She doesn't need to. She can rip herself out of them with brute strength of have Katsuyu or a Katsuyu division protect her from damage. I have given explanations above. Please read and do not ignore.

    Nope.
     
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  22. Distracted Active Member Retired Smod

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    law of logic? Physics doesn't let you work on brute strength sometimes. Ever heard of quick sand?

    There are two ways to get out of quick sand. First, is to grab something (a vine, a branch) and pull yourself out.

    Second is to very slowly move out. The way the liquid works the harder you pull and the faster you move the more it pulls you in. Tsunade would pull really hard and just get pulled in really deep.

    Raw strength doesn't help her in that situation.
     
  23. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Using only brute strength, Tsunade may only be able to get her arms out. Granted she would need to hang onto something to completely pull herself out. But given that through simply concentrating chakra to her hands she could grab a hold of the surface of the mud lake. She could hoist herself out relatively easily.
     
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  24. αce Puahah.

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    Please elaborate.
    I'm very lost.
     
  25. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Please read my above comment. Thanks!
     
  26. Mangeykou Byakugan Neji>>>You

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    You might want to restrict Ninjutsu in general otherwise Jiriaya wins :lmao
     
  27. Senjuclan Mori No Senju Ichizoku

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    By law of logic people don't shoot fire from their eyes nor can they survive as talking puppets with a transferable heart. Get real man. The only law that matters is the law of Kishi. By law of Kishi, Tsunade dies from yomi numa

    I base it on the databook

    -snip- To blitz means to hit someone before they can react. Blindsiding does not count as blitzing. Tsunade has ZERO blitzing feats. She got trashed by a mere jounin, Kabuto. He blitzed her

    -snip- You are making stuff up

    Dodging small objects thrown at high speeds is more impressive

    Orochimaru foot was totally pierced. If Tsunade connects, her hand will hit the spikes and not get through it.

    How the hell is she going to get to hit Jiraiya when he is totally clad in iron spike? But realistically, how the hell is she even going to punch him when Jiraiya has so many options to fight her

    ?????? I thought she was just going to punch him. If she does, he can use rasengan. Furthermore, you mean to tell me that Tsunade has some of the worst reaction speed feats in the manga will dodge Jiraiya but Jiraiya cannot dodge her fodder punches?

    :laugh Or knocks him out as he prepares it.[/QUOTE]

    Rasengan needs preparing now?? -snip-

    It is not a senpou though. It is a simple kekkai jutsu, which means he can use it without being in sage mode. Also, since when does a ninja use all his jutsu against an opponent? That is a silly statement

    Get real. Jiraiya summoned a toad so fast that Kisame at 0 meters could not complete his sword swing. 5 meters is MORE than enough. Plus, you are funny because you think that fodder Tsunade with her fodder speed can do all these things while Jiraiya who actually has feats will just sit there and not use shunshin himself

    What does he matter? She won't be able to hit the ground. She won't be able to hit him either because she will simply be caught in it and die like the fodder hokage she is

    How is she going to rip her arms out when she is covered with metallic hair

    Can you show me one feat from Tsnade's punches that makes you think it would incapacitate Bunta, a summon that tanked shukaku's landscape altering fuuton. Orochimaru tanked a direct from her.

    Why did Orochimaru not do this? Plus, the databook says Jiraiya can sink it whole

    Assuming she can even do this, she will just resummon it to be sunk again. It is a waste of chakra

    What protection will she provide when both her and Tsunade are sunk. Man, Tsunade should be left fighting the likes of Kankurou not Jiraiya


    You are simply saying things that don't make sense. How is she going to rip herself out of sinking sand when it will sink her deeper. How is she going to rip herself out of metallic wire? Plus, Jiraiya can impale her with it. How is she going to rip out of gamakichi shibari when it moves so fast and she will be covered in it. Plus, Jiraiya can just clash a rasengan against her punch and be done with it

    Seriously, Jiraiya is a tier above Tsunade. Tsunade only has super strength and regenerative powers. Her super strength is easy to evade. Plus, Jiraiya has multiple option to kill her. Yomi numa sinks her and she is done. Gourd toad prison burns her to death. I could go on. This woman should not even be pitted against Jiraiya unless you restrict 90% of his jutsu
     
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  28. Goose Feather of Infinity Administrator

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    I'm going to assume that Jiraiya isn't drugged here, since it isn't specified. (I was caught off guard by the link in the location)

    The five metre distance gives Tsunade a tremendous advantage over Jiraiya. True, Jiraiya is very versatile and has plenty of jutsu suitable to stop a blitz, but Tsunade can easily close such a small distance and land an attack before Jiraiya is able to cast a jutsu. Unless Jiraiya can summon an armour toad or use Hari Jizō in time to block the inevitable assault, he's going to take a significant amount of damage in the first few seconds of the fight. However, Jiraiya is quite durable and has a very large stamina, so a single hit probably wouldn't kill him. It might limit his fighting ability, though.

    First thing Jiraiya has to do is create a distance. Trying to fight in close distance against Tsunade is perfectly fine, but not when you've just taken a punch from her. Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu would be the best bet here. Gamayudan or Ranjishigami no Jutsu are fine as well, though. Just bear in mind that one or two hits from Tsunade could probably knock the distraction toad out, and Tsunade can probably evade Gamayudan. Once at a suitable distance, Jiraiya gains the upper hand. Tsunade has no long range attacks, whereas nearly all of Jiraiya's repertoire consists of them. As long as he can maintain fire, Tsunade should have no way of getting close and without Sōzō Saisei, she's forced to rely on Shōsen jutsu which is far slower and less reliable. Simply charging in isn't an option. She's eventually going to be overwhelmed by the masses of oil and fire being flung at her. A small variation of Doton: Yomi Numa can also prove to be very useful here, since he can use it to restrict her mobility (not for very long, though).

    Even if Tsunade can get into close quarters, by this point she'll have lost her advantage. Jiraiya will be ready, and Hari Jizō can be activated in time before Tsunade can get an attack in and he can respond accordingly with a Rasengan or an Ōdama Rasengan. Summoning Katsuyu wouldn't do her any good either, since Jiraiya can also summon and isn't limited to just one.
     
  29. goldendriger So DOES want a custom title!

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    Im actually struggling to see how this is even a debate.
    Lets assume Tsunade starts the fight, i dont think Tsunade has even done a jab, she pulls her arm back and swings. Jiraiya's skull would be in peices unless he...you know, ducks. He jumps back (Bit more distance now) and theres nothing stopping Jiraiya from turning and running to gain distance.
    If Tsunade can land her first punch, she'd win, 1 punch would stun Jiraiya for another and another, but given Jiraiya's abilities i cant see how he cant evade the first punch, as soon as Jiraiya gains distance Tsunade's advantage is finished, even if we go by summon vs summon, Toads get KO'd by Tsunade fist, and Katsuya is useless again good ol' swamp. So they're back to square 1.

    Jiraiya wins 9.5/10
     
  30. NarutoWinsByDefault Active Member

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    Tsunade has crappy feats, even drugged Jiraiya has better feats.. Saying Tsunade could win is just grasping at straws, even if she wasnt restricted at all she couldnt win. Jiraiya has one of the most wide spread variety of Jutsu in the manga, along with a handful of summons. Once she punches lions main her hand will be ripped apart, thus making it vastly harder to heal. If she gets sucked into a swamp, who knows if she can get out, but getting out will require work, while Jiraiya can finisher her off. Im sure a rasengan would rip her arm apart if it meets one of her punches.. The only legit threat I can even think of is switching around Jiraiyas nervous system..
     
  31. LegendaryBeauty Queen of Slugs & Drugs

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    ...Are you seriously trying to sell that?
     
  32. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    " Using only brute strength, Tsunade may only be able to get her arms out. Granted she would need to hang onto something to completely pull herself out. But given that through simply concentrating chakra to her hands she could grab a hold of the surface of the mud lake. She could hoist herself out relatively easily. "

    And you'd think Databook would base it on SM Jiraiya. Not clear at all. Not accurate. Not safe to use.


    Sorry, what? I remember Tsunade with a hole in her chest lying on the ground bleeding out and quivering. While Orochimaru stood up and laughed at her. When she stops quivering he is shocked. She gets up off the ground and swings a strike so fast he has no time to react and is hurled backwards. Go reread the Sannin fight. Trashed? Blitzed? Tsunade almost killed Kabuto, in fact - he was forced to use her hemophobia to stop her from doing so. He not once blitzed her, the one time he got behind her, she was able to move around and tackle him away, but because of Kabutos chakra scalpel piercing her as she flung herself at him, her huge strength could not be used, and thus he was not very injured. He did not blitz her. Even if Manda did not see her coming. The fact she managed to jump off the ground, grab hold of the giant sword, pull it off the ground, swing it around in mid air and throw into Mandas jaw - before it could eat Gamabunta and Jiraiya, is a massive speed feat - way better than dodging paper.

    Don't accuse me of what you can't prove. Read X

    Manda is able to blitz Jiraiya and Gamabunta. Konans projectiles do not seem significantly faster than mere thrown kunai.


    Doesn't need to. Orochimarus foot hitting Jiraiyas hair spikes cracked his ribs. What do you think a Building Buster punch is gonna do?

    What options? Toad Flame Bombs? Whoops, Katsuyu tanks that. Yomi Numa? Whoops, Tsunade hoists herself out of that. Gamabunta? Whoops, Tsunade cripples him. Don't even try telling me Jiraiya is faster than her at close range. You have nothing but a simple jumping feat to dodge projectiles to back that up. Hell Jiraiya isn't even a close range or taijutsu specialist. Even by hype [which to be honest shouldn't need to be used] she is an expert of evasion. Jiraiya is not.


    Since when was a rasengan so fast you could form it when a fast opponent is mid way through a punch? Baha. Link me to Base Jiraiya masterfully forming a rasengan in his hand and throwing it forwards in way less than a second. ..Worst reaction feats? Reacting to Orochimaru. Reacting to Manda when its mid way through an attack. Keeping with Kabuto, whose said to be on par with Kakashi. Base Jiraiya has okay reaction feats. But unfortunately not actual dodging feats.

    Yep. Requires the user to charge chakra into their hand for a while before throwing it forwards at the opponent. Only SM Jiraiyaand Naruto has been capable of creating Giant Rasengans instantly iirc. I believe Minato also did it, but unfortunately Minato isn't Jiraiya.

    /Shrugs

    You'd think such a powerful technique would've been used in Base if that were the case. Jiraiya has never used the technique out of SM, I'm not going to suddenly assume he can. It did not say it was a Sage Art, but then again nor did Chou Odama rasengan - but we know that it increases in size because of the addition of natural energy. Iirc thats only obtained through Sage Mode.

    -snip- A fodder punch is one which has no effect or use. If you cannot see that Tsunade has blitzed with punches. And can make craters with her fists. You would how utterly bullcrap what you just said was. Tsunade being fodder is a stupid comment that you threw in because you're ignorant. Please tell me how Tsunade is in anyway fodder. -snip-

    Anyway, back to debate. Kisame was not swinging his sword very fast. Jiraiya also summoned off panel, we have no idea how much time he had to summon it.

    Caught in it? Iirc its caught targets who stand still. It slowly absorbed Sasuke. It caught Samehada as it was held immobile. Jiraiya could not capture Kisame and Itachi as they ran away from the closing walls. Given the close distance, a shunshin takes Tsunade to Jiraiya and his little toad wall trick doesn't work.

    Because his hair does not have the strength to bind someone capable of pulling about 100+ times their own weight in mid air.

    Orochimaru regenerates. The Bijuu Ball seems to be a different type of damage. It also spreads out over an area. Tsunade focuses on a small point - ie, point of contact. One punch will not kill Gamabunta, but certainly break some of his bones, several punches will leave him battle incapable.

    " Also, since when does a ninja use all his jutsu against an opponent? That is a silly statement " Databook also says Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

    All summoners can do this. Standard feat. Tsunade can heal hundreds of people at once, and she notes medical ninjutsu to use X. Summoning Katsuyu requires minimal chakra. And yep, it is a waste of chakra. Just as continually using Yomi Numa to try and kill her would be.


    -snip- Personal opinion =/= Fact

    Jiraiya isn't going to use two giant Yomi Numas straight in a row. Not IC for him to do so at all, if it failed him once, then he has no reason to use it again. For reasons already given, neither Tsunade or Katsuyu will sink.


    Use given explanations to answer your question. Jiraiyas Needle Jizo is not incorporated in his Wild Hair Mane, so she would not be impaled. Jiraiya cannot form a rasengan and throw it quicker than Tsunade can merely do X


    SM Jiraiya is a tier above her. Because he has so many more powerful, diverse jutsu, incredible speed and durability. Base Jiraiya? Not so much. On level with her. Tsunade has a gigantic slug capable of spitting acid which is around 50 times the size of any average human [like Tsunade for example]. It melts rock. Katsuyu can divide into hundreds and hundreds of smaller divisions which can have medical chakra infused into them. The divisions can tank Village Busting jutsu. And absorb people to protect them from damage. Tsunade has great movement and reaction speed. She's not a speedster but she's not a weakass fodder like you stupidly make her out to be. He can't use Toad Gourd Prison in base, no proof that he can - end of. Obviously - Tsunade doesn't just have super strength and healing abilities. A lot of her style comes from Katsuyu.
     
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  33. Mithos The Hero

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    Under these conditions, Tsunade wins.

    5 meters - by Narutoverse standards that is very close. Jiraiya, who has no real speed feats in base and minimal evasion feats, is starting 5 meters away from Tsunade. She could easily cross that distance immediately and engage in CQC where she would keep him under constant pressure. He won't have time to use his jutsu. Tsunade has better speed feats than him - namely blitzing Orochimaru from laying on the ground, intercepting Manda mid-strike, getting behind Kabuto, and covering a lot of distance quickly to confront Pain after he "nuked" Konoha.

    She only needs to land one hit - it can even be a tap - and she wins. At this starting distance she will land it before Jiraiya can manage to escape into mid or long-range combat, where he is much stronger and Tsunade is weak.

    He won't have time to summon; his hair jutsu won't work because it won't protect him from the force of her attack - her hand will be cut up but he will be dead, or severely injured to the point where she can take him out afterwards; and he won't have time to use Rasengan - and even if he did it's a bad idea because he has to come towards her to use it, which he doesn't want to do - he wants to get away.

    Under these conditions Jiraiya is very hindered because most of his arsenal can't be used or won't be effective in the situation - combined with Tsunade's superior speed feats and taijutsu, Tsunade eventually lands a hit after the match begins and wins.

    If the conditions were different and the distance was farther apart, it would be more even.
     
  34. nadinkrah Shark Demon

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    lol Orochimaru isn't even fast... Even Genin Sasuke kept up with him..
     
  35. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru wasn't even trying against Pre Sasuke. Hardly a fair comparison.
     
  36. Egotism Nostalgia. Ultra

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    -_______- Troll is trolling? Was orochimaru not keeping up with 4 tails Naruto without much difficulty?
     
  37. Kazumi Saitama Lady Diamond

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    Enough said.

    I fail to see Tsunade winning this battle when:

    A) Jiraiya basically has full knowledge. Unless Tsunade has developed some snazzy new Jutsu Jiraiya has not seen yet, then he would not only know every Jutsu in her limited arsenal, but he would also expect and interpret any form of attack Tsunade has to throw at him. Tsunade would be aware of Jiraiya as well, however due to his vast arsenal and versatility, predicting his attacks will not be nearly as simple. I am willing to state Jiraiya could possibly surprise her with attacks. Furthermore, predicting Tsunade and her one shot Taijutsu should not be difficult.

    B) Jiraiya is not particularly slower than Tsunade. A heavily drugged Jiraiya did react to the same Orochimaru a healthy Tsunade reacted to.

    C) Jiraiya has taken damage far greater than a punch from Tsunade. Jiraiya took a full blown assault from the KN4 and survived. The KN4 >>>>> anything Tsunade has. If my memory serves me correctly, Jiraiya was brutally beaten by Tsunade once and still lived, so a punch from her is not killing him.

    D) Tsunade is the weakest of the Sannin.
     
  38. Meruem The King

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    This is actually a very close fight, if Jiraiya uses his hair of awesomeness, he might win.
     
  39. Estar Mage-nin

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    I agree with most here - Jiraiya wins by far. There is not a single good argument for Tsunade winning thi except the 5 meter starting distance and at it was stated already by most including me thats not a problem for Jiraiya at all he can easily make the distance greater or dodge
     
  40. nick1689 Cause I'm a hero, y'know?

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    Advantage? I hardly think so, in strength yeh, but Jiraiya has alot of ways to shut her down in CQC, especially when he has full knowledge of her fighting style. His hair, swamp of the underworld... If Tsunade goes for the outright blitz to smash him down, she will die
     
  41. nadinkrah Shark Demon

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    He wasn't using any big jutsus, but his speed wasn't any different from other fights. He even changed his legs to snakeform against Sasuke, but Sasuke could predict everything.
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    Orochimaru was tanking everything, thats why he used Rebirth twice. He was barely keeping up
     
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  42. Milan? "order."

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    Tsunade jumps at him faster than he can react and fucks up his central nervous system with a touch of her hand.

    Or she demolishes his facial structure.
     
  43. nick1689 Cause I'm a hero, y'know?

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    yeh cause clearly Tsunade has the speed feats that suggest she can outright blitz Jiraiya without him being able to react
     
  44. Estar Mage-nin

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    You know that he has the higher speed rating?
     
  45. Milan? "order."

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    X we see a mid level jounin, with a 3.5 in speed, taking a soldier pill, which we should be able to presume would increase his speed by 1 or 1.5. Basically now Kabuto has a 4.5-5.0 in speed, correct?
    VS a Sannin that has been in hiding for 10+ years, while non combative.

    we see the Sannin catch the powered up Jounin, with a speed of up to 4.5-5.0, off guard and mess up his central nervous system X even after she had been X
    Now, can you imagine if she was at full health in a battle with Jiraiya, whom she knows very much about?Tsunade is definitely capable of attacking someone with higher speed than her own, based off of feats. I hope we can agree on that.
     
  46. Lightysnake Niku still has bad taste

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    And unlike Orochimaru, Jiraiya is healthy, fully alert and ready to fight.
     
  47. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru had no arms. Did not influence his speed at all. The Sannin fight is where he shows some of his best speed feats. Besides, Orochimaru has been ill every time he's ever fought. Everyone seems to forget that.

    Jiraiya lacks the feats, end of.
     
  48. Kazumi Saitama Lady Diamond

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    While Orochimaru has always been ill during his prior battles, the time period around the Sannin battle was Orochimaru at his worst before his final battle against Sasuke. During the Sannin battle, Orochimaru was in excruciating pain due to his decaying arms. He was also bedridden for an extended period before even searching for Tsunade. So, to claim Orochimaru was not even slightly affected by such stipulations is preposterous. Furthermore, his body was gravely rejecting him. So much, that Orochimaru resorted to transferring to a random body until he could possess Sasuke. When your body is in such conditions, your speed would be affected. A somewhat healthy Orochimaru maintained reactions to the KN4 and we know Tsunade is no where near that speed. At such speeds, he could have easily blitzed Tsunade with a Kusanagi to the throat. However, we see Tsunade did keep up with Orochimaru. Additionally, a drugged Jiraiya reacted to Orochimaru as well.

    Tsunade does not have anything impressive that places her speed significantly above Jiraiya, especially considering a blitz from her. Tsunade would advance and Jiraiya would react before aiming a Rasengan to her face.
     
  49. Milan? "order."

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    See above.
     
  50. CherrySwirl Banned

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    Oh, so Sage Mode is restricted? Then probably Tsunade.
     

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