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Itachi vs Madara

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Joakim3, Sep 30, 2011.

  1. Joakim3 Active Member

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    Distance: 20 Meters
    Location: Uchiha Massacre site (for dramatic effect)
    SoM: Bloodlusted
    Knowledge: Read Scenarios
    Restrictions: None

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    Itachi's eyes are in perfect condition but will degrade as the fight prolongs.

    This is Pre-Rinnegan Madara, he can use Izanagi once

    Scenario 1: Manga knowledge
    Scenario 2: Full knowledge
     
  2. Sketh Indissoluble

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    Whoa... Er.. Simply because I'm an Itachi fan im going to go with Itachi. He has shown some epic feats in the current chapters and I dont think Pre-rinnengan madara can handle itachi who is actually blood-lusted. We have never seen Itachi actually wanting to kill the enemy, nor have we seen him ticked off enough to be considered blood-lusted. I think If itachi really wanted to, showing his feats, could take out madara with major difficulty.
     
  3. goldendriger So DOES want a custom title!

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    Madara is featless. Unless you mean Tobi? In which case, im going with Itachi, Totsuka sword, in theory, would seal him.
     
  4. Corax Active Member

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    Madara is a very bad match up for Itachi. As we have seen already he has a way to deal with Amaterasu,and more likely his intangibility ability can bypass Susano defense. This leaves only Tsu. Madara is a very proficient genjutsu user and has hashirama cells+uchiha blood so more likely that he can break it. Madara with some diff. His defensive-oriented skill set is just very good vs someone who lacks stamina (like Itachi).
     
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    Scenario 1: Manga knowledge. madara.Madara has a move that can stop itachi amaterasu.madara also has the sharingon that can see though itachi genjutsu. Madara would kill itachi .

    Scenario 2: Full knowledge. itachi should be able to take this unless he get warp away.
     
  6. NeoKurama Zoldyck Family

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    Itachi. Madara doesn't even have feats.
     
  7. Itαchi #1 Student of Nikushimi

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    Itachi due madaras lack of feats. What he showed against Konan is not nearly enough.
     
  8. Ghost Active Member

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    What people above said. And didn't Madara already said that with knowledge Itachi would have killed him or something like that. Ofc sometimes what characters say in manga are false. Example Jiraiya beating Six Paths of Pain with knowledge... Personally I don't see that happening or Jiraiya taking out Kisame and Itachi alone.
     
  9. DremolitoX roody-poo

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    I don't know about no knowledge, but I'm pretty sure Itachi could solo madara with an exploding bushin with full knowledge.
     
  10. Elite Uchiha Well-Known Member

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    I dont see how Itachi hits Madara.
     
  11. Nikushimi Savior

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    Is this healthy Itachi (the one who fought Naruto and B...minus Edo Tensei immortality) or sick Itachi (the one who fought Hebi Sasuke)? I think that makes a big difference.

    Sick Itachi doesn't have a prayer of beating Madara except in the full knowledge scenario; even then, it's doubtful, because he doesn't have any stamina to waste while Madara's Izanagi has a set time limit that won't expire prematurely. Madara can presumably offer both eyes for Izanagi if he needs to, which- on top of his five minutes of intangibility -should be too much for sick Itachi. In the manga knowledge scenario, I don't think Itachi knew Madara had Izanagi (which would be what Madara meant when he described a certain "secret" saving him from Amaterasu), so there's a chance he could get shanked from behind when he thinks he's killed Madara, just like Konan.

    Healthy Itachi, I think, stands an excellent chance of beating Madara in the full knowledge scenario. He doesn't seem to have any significant stamina issues- some people attribute this to Edo Tensei, but that's never been stated to be the case. His movements and reactions also seem to be improved a bit over what he demonstrated when fighting Sasuke- which Zetsu did make note of as being an underperformance. So with full knowledge, I would almost certainly expect Itachi to win. With manga knowledge, it's closer to 50/50, since it's hard to say how successful a respawn ambush with Izanagi would be; I think it would largely depend on Kishimoto's whim, so it seems appropriate to just call it 50/50.

    I think one thing is certain, though: Whether sick or healthy, Itachi should have very little trouble landing a counterattack when Madara solidifies, just as Fu and Torune did. Amaterasu would probably be the easiest way to do this, although I think he could manage it with Taijutsu and weapons with some effort. I also think he's familiar with Madara's Jikukan Ninjutsu and its limitations, just like Konan was; it's reasonable, since he's been working with Madara for a long time.
     
  12. andre minato on my level

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    itachi solos in both scenarios
    a little intangibility and izanagi is not enough to stop the uchiha genius
     
  13. Sadgoob Editing Specialist

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    When you say that he can use Izanagi once, what do you mean? Do you mean he can respawn only once, or that he can trigger it once with one eye - which lasts five minutes? That would make or break Itachi's chances.

    Assuming the former, Itachi's exploding close is a good Madara counter, because Tobi has to materialize to touch-warp Itachi. Then, boom. The real Itachi could also hit him with Amaterasu or the Totsuka if Tobi is touch-warping a clone.

    Assuming the latter, Itachi would need to rely on Susano'o for five minutes much like Sasuke did to Danzō. However, Madara has five minutes of unabashed invincibility to get to Itachi and can possibly phase through even legendary items. ​
     
  14. IchLiebe Da Sage

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    LoL,

    It is pretty much a given that they have no stamina issues. Edo's can go forever. Until their sealed. Itachi still has shity stamina issues. Just because that is his drawback to fucking bad every one has their drawbacks.

    I believe Madara could win. If you give him the chains that he fought Minato w/.

    He is very proficient at using his st jutsu. He fought 2 root ninjas, 1 of which is pure taijutsu.

    I think it was stated that altoghter Madara can be invincible for 10 mins. If he uses he 5min Phase, and 5mins for izanagi, of which he don't need the phase ability while in so he should be able to go for another 5mins Phase.

    At all the time be phasing in doing whatever of an offense he can put up until Itachi starts to tire.

    Amaterasu-Don't work
    Tsukuyomi- Highly doubt that he will catch Madara in it, Madara isn't stupid and has shown to be highly intelligent in the sharingan techniques and even about Susanoo.

    Madara can't do it straight up, w/o no ninja tools he has no suitable offense to be shown. So far all he has shown are defensive techs. Give him a sword or a his chains.
     
  15. Nikushimi Savior

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    There is no confirmation at this point that the zombies have infinite stamina because of Edo Tensei. The only thing we know is that they can't be killed and will keep regenerating.

    That was pretty much their only fight, so we have no idea how good they were. Madara did kinda toy with them like children, and it was only because he got touched when he warped Torune that he got injured.

    Swords and chains can be blocked with Susano'o, or simply dodged.
     
  16. Mr.Blonde The grip must be delicate!

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    You don't think he would have killed Madara had he been capable of doing it?
     
  17. SenninMode New Member

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    This match is very interesting. Pre-Rinnegan Madara's feats never were too
    many but the ones he had are good counters to Itachi's powerful arsenal.

    Lets analyze this fight on both scenarios.

    Itachi would have to administer very well his chakra on using Amaterasu,
    Tsukuyomi or Susanoo, given his chakra reserves are less than Madara i
    would say, we saw how Madara summoned and was controlling Kyuubi.
    I think the 3 big ones would be some options but not necessarily.


    Another option is that he probably could hit him using a combination
    of distractions, but i agree it would require great effort, recall how Hiraishin was
    needed to achieve this, although there are examples of fights like the one of Fu and
    Torune, so it could be possible.


    While it is true that Madara can be intangible, it is also fair to ask ourselves
    the question of how Madara is going to physically hit Itachi, in my point of
    view he does not have the speed to do it (correct me if i am wrong). So the
    only way is to warping away him to another dimension.

    If Itachi has Kotoamatsukami then it's over for Madara i would say. No
    restrictions right ?, why wouldn't it work. Then probably Madara finishes
    eating Ramen in Konoha.

    Genjutsu: I do not think is working on a MS user (assuming he has MS),
    because we have never seen his MS eye.

    Amaterasu: everyone is suggesting that Izanagi is the answer for this.

    Susanoo: great deal for Itachi, could be used to seal Madara, but again,
    we have the problem of intangibility, and that Madara could
    warp away Susanoo. Unless Totsuka is very fast and surprises
    Madara.


    In conclusion, i would say Madara has greater probability to win this, but i would not
    give a definitive opinion.
     
  18. Sadgoob Editing Specialist

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    Being able to best Tobi in battle and being able to prevent him from escaping and kill him are two different accomplishments. In this scenario, Tobi isn't phasing away for reinforcements. In the manga, for Itachi, that option was always available to him.​
     
  19. Mr.Blonde The grip must be delicate!

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    Fair enough.But I still think Madara is too much for Itachi to handle.
     
  20. Sadgoob Editing Specialist

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    Is that based on perceived levels? If Itachi beats Kabuto, then would your opinion of his "level" change, since Kabuto's trump card stopped Madara from attempting to kill him?

    Or do you mean ability-wise? Because I would argue that any highly intelligent clone user with very fast offensive jutsu is in a splendid position for Madara's highlighted stylistic weaknesses.​
     
  21. Googleplex Banned

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    Itachi loses.

    Madara can use his space-time to get rid of Amaterasu and Itachi has no real way past the intangibility; honestly with Madara's speed (the one that forced Hiraishin from Minato), I don't see Itachi getting past Madara touching him and getting absorbed.
    More so with a single Izanagi that lasts 10 minutes.
     
  22. Sadgoob Editing Specialist

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    Izanagi lasts five minutes, as it was compounded with his five minute limit of intangibility against Konan. It could be longer still, but we've only seen five minutes for the time being. ​
     
  23. Googleplex Banned

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    That's one interpretation, not a concrete fact.
    I can easily argue that we saw it last ten minutes as Madara was quick to expose his eye to utlise Izanagi, but that's also another interpretation not a concrete fact.

    Its up for debate, but personally I think the 'ten minute Izanagi' argument is stronger seeing as we got the vibe that Madara wasn't going to use space-time, arguably.

    Having said that, that's still a valid point you mentioned and is worth considering.
     
  24. jimbob631 God of War Guan Yu

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    Madara has 20 minutes of immortality by going back and forth between izanagi and intangibility, Itachi hasn't shown the stamina to deal with anything like that. At some point Madara is going to warp Itachi.
     
  25. droidsteel Probably offline

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    Madadra high difficulty.

    Itachi claimed to be inferior to madara and all of the MS jutsu can be counted by madara.
     
  26. Sketh Indissoluble

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    No, because Itachi needed help to kill the clan, and madara was the only other Uchiha who had the skill that was required. Itachi didn't hate Madara, at least I dont think he really did, he just felt sorry for him. This is Pre-rinnengan madara, I think itachi has a damn good chance of winning.
     
  27. Mr.Blonde The grip must be delicate!

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    If the Sixth Coffin is involved,then yes.

    Somehow I don't think intelligence and bunshin usage are the 'special skills' Minato said are required to beat Madara.

    Well then Itachi is,to put it simply,an idiot,because anyone with half a brain can see Madara is the greatest threat to the Narutoverse with the possible exception of the Juubi.

    Then again,considering Itachi's track record,that might not be so far-fetched.:hmm
    I mean,he did spare Orochimaru's life,and that only ended up costing Konoha the life of its Hokage,half of its military forces,and Itachi's own brother.
    If you want to go even further,Orochimaru would have not completed Edo Tensei or met Kabuto,therefore the lives of 40k+ shinobi would have also been saved.
     
  28. Sketh Indissoluble

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    Really? An Idiot? Itachi was more concerned about his brother then he was about Madara. His primary goal was to make sure sasuke took the right path and not madaras. Keep in mind that this threat of Madaras badassness came along after itachi left the village and such. Itachi has the skill, ability, and the smarts to take down madara if he REALLY wanted too. Think about it, we never see itachi actually caring about anyone aside from Sasuke, and Itachi wanted sasuke to get stronger, Itachi didn't care how he got stronger, so long as he did. Itachi pwnt Orochimaru, true, but he let him go. Yer point? He's a member of the Akatsuki, how would he know Orochimaru would attack the village after orochimaru left the akatsuki, itachi wouldn't have known.

    Madara is an idiot for not killing itachi, since he is the true successor to the sharingan and not Sasuke, it even said so, Madara even praised itachis skill and told sasuke that Itachi if wanted to kill him, he could of with ease. Madara noticed Itachi and his skill, that tells you something. Itachis feats are that badass. He may have low stamina, but keeping up with madaras 20 mins of invincibility isn't much considering the fight with sasuke took more then 20 mins, hes not so out of shape in stamina that he runs around for five mins and passes out. Itachis not the type to waste ability either, the moment he notices Madara go intangible, he'll wait him out. Im sure itachi can think of something, i mean he figure out peins ultimate technique after seeing it for a page in the manga, whats that tell you?
     
  29. Grimmjowsensei True Hokage

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    Itachi takes both with moderate - extreme difficulty. The only problem here is Izanagi.
    Aside from genjutsu there isn't a way around that and Madara won't have much issues against genjutsu.

    Although Itachi can outlast Izanagi.
     
  30. Googleplex Banned

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    Its worth noting that Madara Uchiha is the only person whose been able to shut down top tier shinobi (a Mizukage and ROOT's best as well as one of the original members of Akatsuki) with his base Sharingan Genjutsu.

    A Genjutsu battle would be suicide for Itachi whose not been able to replicate such a feat outside his Mangekyou Sharingan; Tsukuyomi.
    This is arguably something that may let Itachi down in the no knowledge field if he manages to urge Madara to use Genjutsu.
     
  31. Grimmjowsensei True Hokage

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    Madara hasn't used his genjutsu during combat tho.
    It seems that it is a different field of expertise.


    Itachi executed genjutsu in mid combat and even ended fights without neededing to resort to anything else. Also the only person alliance thought of was Itachi when they thought those shinobi were being controlled.

    So I think it'd be just the opposite. Genjutsu battle would be suiciadal for Madara.
     
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