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Itachi vs Deidara and Sasori

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Lishenron, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. Lishenron Nope

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    Risky topic is risky.

    Itachi takes on Deidara+Sasori

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    State of mind: IC

    Knowledge:
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    Location: Sannin Battle field

    -Itachi is not sick. He is at full health

    - Itachi has knowledge of Sasori's poison. But not of Third kazekage or 100 puppets

    - Sasori starts off in Hiroku. Doesn't mean he cant go to his full form however .

    Can Itachi solo two akatsuki members? Or does he get ROFL stomped?
     
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  2. Sketh Indissoluble

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    Itachi takes it Mid difficulty. Itachi has superior feats, intelligence, and jutsu to rape both of them. Sasori is a puppet, thus he is made of wood, thus a Katon turns him and his puppets to fire wood. Deidara gets LOLGENJUTSU stomped like the first time. All else fails he lights sasori up like a christmas tree and rape stomps deidara in CQC before he can summon his bird to fly. Sasori only has puppets going for him, all of which can be dodged via Sharingan prediction. The only thing that can basically harm Itachi here is Deidaras C-4 bomb, which can argumentatively be blocked by susanoo.
     
  3. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Active Member

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    Deidara will not fall to Itachi's base genjutsu again, as he now has an anti genjutsu eye. Sasori has over 100 puppets, so it will take Itachi quite a while to defeat them all with basic Katons.
     
  4. Lishenron Nope

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    that's true. puppets would pose an issue
     
  5. Joakim3 Active Member

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    Um you do realize Sasori and Deidara are like Itachi's worst match ups? hell each one by themselves would give Itachi a HELL of a fight

    Either way Sasuno'o can be circumnavigated (Yata's mirror in particular) via C4 (Sasori doesn't need to breath so he can just force Itachi to stay within C4's AoE or Deidara could simply go the nuke level way and incinerate Sasori and Itachi with C3 (if people honestly think Itachi can continue fighting/let alone survive C3 I honestly don't know what to say)

    Bottom line Itachi losses 10/10 times
     
  6. Octavian Gomu Gomu no

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    50/50 chance of itachi winning.

    dealing with deidara's C3 and C4 while fighting iron sand and 100 puppets will be very taxing on itachi's eyesight and stamina. he undoubtedly possess the better jutsu here and would likely smash either one of deidara and sasori 1on1 but 2v1...and their jutsu spam makes it a very hard fight. so 50/50
     
  7. Lishenron Nope

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    I'm merely observing the responses. While I have an idea of how this battle would go, looking at other threads with itachi and who the winner was, was interesesting.

    I wont complain about who is the winner this time. However, with Itach's newer showing's, as well as Itachi having a long ranged attack in Susanoo, I expect the responses to be different this time around(compared to say...5-7 months ago)

    Of course, whether you want to provide evidence as to why his Yata move (cant remember the name but it helped destroy chubaku tensei)wouldn't work on Sasori or Deidara is up to you.
     
  8. Complete_Ownage Laughs at all fanboyism

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    Sasori and Deidara take this with moderate difficulty. Hell Sasori or Deidara alone could put up one hell of a fight.

    Deidara is not going to get caught in Itachi genjutsu this time and will more then likely take flight immediatly. This already puts Itachi at a disadvantage. Sasori t

    Basically Itachi is going to need Susanno almost instantly against these two but that is not going to be enought to overcome these two
     
  9. Weiss Well-Known Member

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    on the other hand - what can either of them do vs Amaterasu or Yasaka Magatama ?


    IC he won't use them right away though and his regular genjutsu strategies won't work here
     
  10. Lishenron Nope

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    I'm more interested in that technique. After all, in the past it was argued that Sasori or Deidara can try to maintain distance from Susanoo so that they wouldn't get hit.

    However, the fact that he can use that technique does pose a problem for Sasori and Deidara. What can Sasori do to actually avoid it? I'm not really sure myself.
     
  11. Joakim3 Active Member

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    Amaterasu is only effective against Sasori (who is NOT made out of wood) and its debatable if Satetsu can block/resist Amaterasu, Deidara is literally omnipotent in the air in this match as he is out of range for Yasaka Magatama and Amaterasu

    And Genjustu is pointless in this as again Deidara is out of range and Sasori is mindless puppet

    Sasori just has to stall long enough for Deidara to prep C4 and its GG, Itachi WILL die in C4 as he cannot defuse the bombs like his younger brother
     
  12. Weiss Well-Known Member

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    what exactly is out of range ? out of visual range (I think that would be the range limit of Amaterasu/YM) ? How will Deidara see Itachi then ?

    IC Deidara never tried to get completely out of range from Sasuke
     
  13. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Active Member

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    Unless Itachi hits Sasori in the heart (which he could shield with a well placed puppet), Amaterasu is useless against him.
     
  14. Weiss Well-Known Member

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    it can burn a lot of stuff in his FoV though (like dat forest burning) and makes whatever puppets it hits useless to Sasori
     
  15. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Active Member

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    Sasori has over 100 puppets though. Even healthy, Itachi is probably only able to use his MS (plus Susano and a few smaller jutsus) 5-6 times, and probably a lot less in this scenarion given that he will need to keep Susano active the whole time. Unless he gets Sasori's heart or a lot of puppets, it would not be a good MS usage.
     
  16. Weiss Well-Known Member

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    ok Amaterasu Deidara then and take his time going through the puppets 1v1

    although Magatama should demolish Sasori's main puppet-body and everything inside it



    bloodlusted Itachi would end this quick with MS, but IC he may get in trouble before that
     
  17. Joakim3 Active Member

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    Itachi will be forced to keep Sasuno'o up the entire time QcQ is a no as Sasori will murder him in that department via Puppets

    Itachi's ninjustu is good for 1 vs 1 match when you throw in a second high tier then shit goes downhill, Itachi will have to focus on Sasori and Deidara sending the occasional C2 bomb at him

    If they can't kill him straight out, he will fore SURE be outlasted until he dies from chakra use or Sasuno'o collapses
     
  18. HiddenCornsHandsomeDevil Active Member

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    I don't see Itachi winning this, they are both unfavourable matchups for him alone. Sasori is a puppet and immune to genjutsu, which is Itachi's forte. Itachi's only answer is to sit in Susanno. But both of his opponents have a far greater range then him and can afford to wait until he succumbs to his injuries. He will not have time to activate amaterasu with the others spamming him. I see him entering susanno and forcing them back with them in turn firing down at him from range.
     
  19. Remsengan Ninja Philosopher

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    Itachi unrestricted will be a tough fight for even both Sasori and Deidra, however the stipulation that he is in character gives the two former partners the ability to exploit Itachi's passive behavior in battle.

    It's tough to say what exactly "manga knowledge" would mean for either side, being that members of Akatsuki have some knowledge of other members but perhaps not necessarily complete knowledge.

    Itachi's knowledge on Sasori and Deidra

    On Sasori: Sasori's poison is well known even by the Sunagakure. Itachi would not allow himself to be hit or scratched by any of Sasori's weapons. Itachi would also likely know about the Puppet Army, on the account of Sasori's self-proclaimed accomplishments with it. Itachi would likely know that Sasori himself is a puppet, or deduce it after activating Sharingan.

    What he wouldn't know, at least not for sure, is about the heart container. Sharingan can perceive chakra, but its debatable as to what degree it can see the finer details. Most visuals of the Sharingan viewing chakra seems to depicting it seeing chakra in the form of clouds of energy. Sasori's chakra likely runs through his entire body, or at least through his general chest cavity (http://i3.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/272/naruto-1568046.jpg). It's questionable whether or not Itachi could discern that Sasori's heart container is, in fact, housing his heart. Sasori's Kazekage puppet and specific attacks such as the poison gas and iron techniques are also likely unknown to some degree.

    On Deidra: The important thing to consider about Deidra is many of his techniques are specifically focused on fighting Sharingan Illusionary techniques (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-365-18/naruto/chapter-360.html) , especially Itachi's. There's nothing indicating that Itachi would know about this or about C0. Whether he knew about C4 Garuda or not is questionable, because even though Tobi seemed to know about it, he developed it specifically for fighting Itachi, so he may have kept it secret from all but his partner.

    Deidra and Sasori's knowledge on Itachi

    Because Zetsu knew about Ama, Tsuku (http://i23.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/389/naruto-7850.jpg) and even a bit about Susano'o (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-398-9/naruto/chapter-393.html), it may be debated that all of Akatsuki knows of them. Nagato seemed to know (http://i11.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/550/naruto-2528653.jpg) some degree about them as well.

    Needless to say, they will be aware of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. They will also know about his general-Uchiha related abilities including standard Sharingan, genjutsu and Katon usage. Konoha and other village higher-ups knew about Susano'o as well, it's likely they will know about Susano'o, but perhaps not its specific attacks.

    The Fight

    Itachi is typically passive in battle, typically letting his opponents make the first the attack. The only exceptions are when he's toying with his opponents or when he's forced to it through mind control. Deidra and Sasori, however, are unlikely to be effected by such genjutsu. Sasori, who has no brain stem or typical visual medium, is likely resistant to genjutsu, and Deidra will obviously start with his anti-genjutsu eye ready.

    Sasori will not underestimate Itachi like he did Sakura and Chiyo, and will either start out with the Kazekage or Puppet Army. Either way, Sasori will likely keep his distance to avoid CQC with a Elite Uchiha with Sharingan prediction. Deidra's best move is to take flight, which is a likely scenario considering it's his typical fighting strategy (http://i18.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/271/naruto-5270.jpg). Because of the constitution of Sasori's puppets and Deidra's clay bombs, combined with the previously mentioned tactics Deidra and Sasori will start of with, it is unlikely that genjustu, possibly including Tsukuyomi, will be Itachi's course of action.

    Itachi will instead rely on Katon's, taijutsu and Amaterasu to battle his opponents. Itachi's general Katon's may not reach Deidra because of their range and speed, but Amaterasu certainly will. The problem being that Itachi must look away from Sasori to hit Deidra with it, and depeding on the angle of elevation, Amaterasu may end up hitting the clay bird rather than Deidra himself. That being said, Deidra's clay takes time to properly use, so Itachi will likely attack Sasori first.

    Itachi's obvious plan would be to blast down Sasori and his puppets with ninjutsu. Katons would be effective at both destroying puppets as well as shielding Itachi from poison needles and gas because of the resulting explosions (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-272-16/naruto/chapter-267.html). Itachi's Katons are more destructive than mere explosive tags, and more practical offensive-wise.

    However, assuming Sasori has knowledge of Amaterasu, he will likely use the Kazekage as his initial puppet instead of the Puppet Army, as it is best suited for defending against Itachi's known ninjutsu's while keeping his distance. The Kazekage is also equipped with formidable melee weapons (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-272-9/naruto/chapter-267.html) as well as poison dispersion (http://i11.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/267/naruto-1568008.jpg). The Kazekage puppet's speed was also noted by a battle-experienced veteran.

    Sasori will easily buy enough time for Deidra to prepare his clay weapons. Deidra is likely to jump straight to his anti-Itachi measures(C4 Garuda), due to his hate of Itachi (http://i7.[Blocked Domain]/naruto/359/naruto-1569067.jpg).

    Itachi will not let Deidra so easily complete his giant explosive doll. The best solution is to risk taking his focus away from Sasori and try to hit Deidra or Garuda with Amaterasu while the bomb is being created. This leaves Itachi open, so he'll likely resort to KB feints, attempt a strong genjutsu in hopes of it working or go right into Susano'o as a precaution against both Sasori and the Garuda.

    The amount of flames required to completely destroy Garuda would require a considerable amount of time. Amaterasu is the most surefire option, but the amount of MS-time required would leave him exhausted and give Sasori an opportunity he could not afford.

    This leaves Susano'o as the best choice considering the amount of time needed. It provides him protection against generic explosions and weapon based attacks. However, the microscopic destruction Garuda offers, as well as Sasori's poison gas, would surpass Susano'o due to Itachi's inherit need to breathe.

    Susano'o is also Itachi's best weapon, as the Yasaka Magatama offers him the range to deal with Deidra and the destructive power to overcome Sasori. The Sword of Totsuka is arguably not useful, because of Itachi's immediate need to slay Garuda. The Sword's extension length, at most, is only a few meters, and arguable shorter than this distance (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-363-17/naruto/chapter-358.html). It may cut Garuda, but the clay can reform.

    Itachi is left with launching Magatama's, a strategy that would potentially eliminate Deidra if he could not dodge and/or keep Sasori on the defensive. However, I sincerely doubt he can spam such a powerful technique, and I contend that in around 3 uses he would be greatly depleted. The question is would that be enough to stop both Sasori and Deidra, while leaving Itachi enough stamina to fight the remaining contenders.

    Overall I give this match to Sasori and Deidra with Med-High Difficulty. I feel that their immunity to genjutsu and their air-born attacks are a perfect offense against Itachi. Sasori's defensive capabilities and Deidra's long distance fighting make them a powerful team, and Itachi's long range offenses, while powerful, will be too taxing to take out both of his opponents and leave him in a position where he won't be too exhausted or open for counter attacks.
     
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  20. Ejenku Zero_Smoke

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    Susanoo defeats Deidara with ease now that Itachi has a long distance Jutsu besides amaterasu and katons. Even if you assume Deidara can break Itachi's genjutsu which I do not it would still take a split second like Killer bee did. Sasori isn't defeating MS period as Itachi can spot his heart container easily with Sharigan and aim amaterasu towards it.
     
  21. Itachisaywat Active Member

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    Actually I think Itachi can win this one. If you think about it, the sharingan acts as a substitute for the puppet experience Chiyo had. Seeing as Chiyo avoided the attacks by predicting them, I don't think it's unfair to assume Itachi could do the same, especially considering his pretty nice speed feats above Chiyo. We can also infer that the sharingan will detect Sasori's puppet heart, and if you add Itachi's intelligence he could probably figure it out easily enough.

    So basically Deidara's going to use his long-range bombing tactic while Sasori whips out the Third Kazekage (his favorite puppet if I'm right). The benefit of team 2 is that Deidara can use his jutsu (C4) without having to harm Sasori himself. But an evident counter to the jutsu would be just seeing the nano-sized clay, remember how Sasuke said escaping was easy once he saw it? On the other hand, Itachi has a pretty legit defense (Susano'o) and a very potent offense on these guys (Amaterasu). Both can cause damage to Itachi himself, but he is healthy here, and they do have a pretty good efficiency. Though it's probably smarter to use it on Deidara until Sasori takes off his cloak.
     
  22. Wizard Sorcerer Supreme

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    so itachi has knowledge of poison but not 3rd kazekage? does that mean he doesn't know that iron sand has poison?
     
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    I don't know where it says that Itachi has knowledge about Sasori's poison.

    About the Third, Sasori kidnapped him twenty years ago, before Itachi joined the Akatsuki. Even Suna wasn't able to figure out the one who committed the crime. Chiyo found out the moment the Kazekage puppet was brought out. I doubt Itachi knew about it.
     
  24. Lishenron Nope

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    Well, Sasori starts off in Hiroku. And assume that Itachi has basic knowledge on Hiroku, and that Hiroku's tail+poison needles will poison the victim

    In this instance, if sasori brings out third kazekage, just assume that Itachi knows the kazekage's attacks will have poison in them as well(includes iron sand) . Though he doesn't personally know about the kazekage's abilities, assume that any attack or technique sasori uses, is associated with poison.
    It's in the OP. However, I didn't bold it so it's easy to miss it.
     
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    Sorry, I forgot.
     
  26. Sketh Indissoluble

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    I dont see why not, Deidara got caught in itachis genjutsu the first time just as he walked into the room, who's to say it wont happen again? Deidara has his lil eye thing, but I dont think it will work if he's put under 50 something genjutsu layered ontop of each other, which itachi has been known to do, itachi aint sasuke.

    Puppets....wood... fire... bad combo. Sasori summons the puppets, itachi amaterasu's their ass, and since the 100 or so puppets sasori summons normally appear clustered together, they all turn to ash within a few moments. As i said before, if all else fails and itachi wants to go god tier on their ass, he pulls up susanoo and LOLSWORD rapes them like he did orochimaru and Pein, hes like a pokemon master, collecting the naruto verse one ninja at a time.
     
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    THEY ARE NOT MADE OF WOOD........every last one is a human converted into a puppet, so the "burning wood" theory is shot

    The Itachi wank is incredible......He is NOT beating both Deidara and Sasori, they both are horrible counter for him, each one individually could pull a win under the right circumstances

    like i said Sasori stalls Itachi, while Deidara uses C4 GG......there is no way Itachi can counter that combo
     
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    As i said before, sussanoo can argumentatively block C-4, provide proof or your argument is invalid to my point. The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. Your claiming it can beat itachis susanoo, proof.

    EDIT: Also, living puppets dont really matter either, amaterasu turns that to ash as well.
     
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    Why can't he just avoid it, Sasuke said himself it was easy to escape once he saw the nano-bombs. (http://9.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/40-360.0/compressed/14.jpg)
     
  30. Star★Platinum That's Mr.Kaneda to you, Punk!

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    Diedara's 'eye' isn't doing shit against Itachi, considering he doesn't even need eye contact. Sasori's puppets pose a problem, if he manages to get them out, yet he starts in Hiruko OP stated this is IC therefore Sasori will use Hiruko, then Kazekage likely giving Itachi more time he needs, If it was bloodlusted i'd give it to Sasori and Diedara, Then again that would mean Itachi would seal off the bat. Itachi is knowledgable enough and experienced enough to know how to deal with Sasori, considering he deciphered CT with his first experience of it. Yata's mirror is blocking the onslaught while totsuka seals

    http://www.[Blocked Domain]/93-397-14/naruto/chapter-392.html

    "anyone and anything is sealed in blissful genjutsu"

    6-7/10 times, depending on whether Sasori get's his main puppets out, and whether Itachi deals with sasori first before they get a good assault going.
     

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