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HoU Section Rules & User Feedback Thread

Discussion in 'House of Uzumaki Archives' started by Rinoa, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Let'sFightingLove Banned

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  2. hannah will not come back.

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    Hannah very confused. Hannah change talk now. Hannah sound better to Let'sFightingLove? :amazed
     
  3. Let'sFightingLove Banned

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    want to go back to my cave and have intercourse?
     
  4. hannah will not come back.

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    You failed to grab Hannah by hair and drag into cave. Hannah escaped now. :noworry

    PS. Good night Kenneth. I hope you read what I wrote, but I gotta go now. :sleepy
     
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  5. Kenneth

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    You... Should not have started mouthing off about the big 3 thread's rules when it was your intention to talk about being able to post light-hearted, not-so-serious threads about pairings in the HoU. That's different. That's something I completely agree with. However, I will have to talk about that with the rest of the HoU mods first.


    No. But that's an entirely different matter and has absolutely nothing to do with the rules in the pairing threads. Go ahead and create it, I don't really care. If it proves to be decent enough I might just sticky it.


    I'm sure a lot of people would love to explain why they believe Konan would cook the best meal for Chouji. I don't care about that. That is something you'll have to discuss with Rinoa.

    There are subsections actually. :3

    If you would actually have said that from the start (and especially, that it wouldn't be a serious debate thread, I would have been agreeing with you from the start. Instead, you omit that part, and rip into me and the rules. Do you see where the confusion comes from?

    I'll say this: I see no problem in having light-hearted topics like your example, Chouji and the cooking thing. In fact, I rather liked those, even if they often became... Very odd threads. I agree that those may get their own thread. They're fun and those threads actually require almost no moderation most of the time.

    Ridiculing an argument doesn't necessarily mean you are in the right.

    Also, double posts are merged when we see them, unless when they break the 10,000 character limit. We are fair. But you view us as the final villains. Fine, be that way then.

    ... More like we are HoU section mods that rather use an efficient and smart system than just blindly waiting for the next thread that should be deleted. And we don't want everyone to post in one topic. This section is about more than just pairings. Maybe you should try to see that for yourself, sometime.

    Yes, unless you really did believe we enjoy breaking up fights 24/7. We have just as much time in life as you do. We choose to prevent rather than to cure.

    Dysfunctional... And I created those conditions? Did you just ignore what I said about not even being here when those rules were created?

    And refusing what work? I've been discussing this with you for 3 hours now, while modding three sections. I've done what I'm supposed to do. What more do you want? A rep for every post? A fanart for every thread? Am I supposed to mow your lawn after you click on "reply to post"?


    I'm not enforcing any wishes. The fuck would my wish even be?

    Thanks for that. Your posts always manage to make me feel a bit better about what I do.

    I'll go and discuss your idea of allowing light-hearted pairing topics with the rest of the staff. I'm sure they won't have a problem with it, nor will I. The decision will likely be a positive one.

    You could have averted this confusion, this waste of time by simply saying "am I allowed to post pairing threads that aren't about debating, or silly light-hearted threads about pairings" instead of "OH GOD I CANNOT CREATE TOPICS ABOUT PAIRINGS, DAMN IT YOU AWFUL MODS".

    I would have said "yes". Nobody would have cared. I might have to explain myself to my peers, but that's about as bad as it could have gotten.

    But you didn't. You went ahead and just shat on me, this piece of shit good-for-nothing lazy mod.
     
  6. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    Second thread is not only to debate, people can bring there other light-hearted pairing topics..

    hannah the rules are subject to change when are being presented certain problems on a regular basis.

    Problem hannah is when even the OPs of such no debating threads start to act as such debaters and debating as well along with the no debaters users leading to the same problem as always and becoming a photocopy of the Debate thread and going out of the topic introduced in the thread.
    This is a problem that this section always presented, independently of the actions and warnings from the mods in the past and that led to the restraint of pairings threads for the time being and to before post any pairing thread in the section, should first PM a section mod with the OP, for the latter to be approved or not.

    Yet all the threads with pairings as a topic end as a second debate thread in the section and rarely does anyone seem interested in reporting or not feed it.

    Our ​​decisions are also a reflection of the users.
     
  7. Mael Well-Known Member

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    I still say burn the place down, Kenny. It's not like anything of value will be lost.
     
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  8. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    Let's not start that again please, this is the place to talk about the rules and the threads of the section.
    We've all been through this before guys.
     
  9. Seto Kaiba God Hand Crusher

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    I was only answering a question.


    lolsnippetysnipsnip
     
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  10. hannah will not come back.

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    No. They can bring light harted pairing posts.
    I repeat. One big merged blob of lame.

    Not the same thing.

    Just because you made change to solve a problem does not mean you did right, if after solving it you made another problem. And what I was advocating against, is not right by all means.


    Same thing. Punish the OPs. Mod for heaven's sake.
    Just because an ENTIRE area of conversation can lead to more more rule-breaking on NF does not mean you should ban that area of conversation. That's not the fair solution derived from common sense.
    Forums are full of trolls. By that logic you should just close down the forums all together. How hard is this to grasp? :quite


    Ok.. Let's see here.

    These threads use to make up half of HoU and be a lot of work for you.
    They were cause of a lot of rule breaking.
    Rules are there to create a harmonious community and in extension benefit the users.
    No user had a problem with occasional rule breaking, which does not mean they condone, they just don't care.
    On the other side people loved those topics, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be a problem in the first place...

    So of course, logically... The solution is to keep moderating more strictly, letting people know the distinction between a pairing debate thread and non-pairing-debate thread, even making your debate topics is a solution, while retaining half the reason people used HoU.
    Wait, it's not. It's to just shut everything down. It's not to be fair to the fans of the forum for whom your moderating is suppose to be a greater good in the first place. It's not to just punish the retarded culprits and manage just the debates. No. Let's ban everything and call it better.
    It is better, but only for you. No one else.
    And I am not cheering lets torture and overwork the mods. But your solution is not good just because it means less work for you.



    Kenneth just made a case of stating the opposite. Who do I believe? :hmm
    --------------------------------------------------Kenneth


    Soo...:twitch
    This ENTIRE time while I was explaining to you what was wrong, you really weren't reading.
    And all the reasons I for which called you irrational, unjust and selfish don't actually exist? :huh And you didn't tell me that because you really weren't reading what I was talking about...
    My mocking of debate threads had its purpose in explaining my point. I put it there for a reason. What else was I suppose to do? Colorize my text?

    And now after the misunderstanding has been cleared up, you continue to reply to my posts accusing me of misunderstanding you and being unfair myself..
    Don't play dirty. You know very well that if we share an opinion on this like you say we do, the posts I addressed to you regarding that topic no longer apply. So don't respond to them as baiting me to continue a debate that no longer exists between us. :oh



    I did create it. It was quickly deleted and the reason was: let's not post pairing threads right now.


    I know. I wasn't mocking, I was saying making a particular-debate-only thread makes sense because it is like dividing the entire NF. I know there are subsections, that's good.
    But making one topic for all pairing discussions is what I was talking about because by the same logic you can make one topic for all Naruto discussions. Where does the merging stop?

    I never just ridicule. I ridicule and disprove. :noworry
     
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  11. Kenneth

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    "Can I create a pairing poll thread, or would it be possible to allow light-hearted pairings threads in the HoU again?"

    Hey it almost looks as if this one small sentence contains a concise, polite question that can be answered rather easily. That's awesome. That's how you ask a question. You don't ask it by adding completely redundant ones that are about the rules in the big 3 pairing thread, or the inability to create topics on "pairings". That's too generic. You don't add a heap of mocking, baitish, pointless remarks.

    Also, I already typed much of that until I got to the point where you talked about that poll. I thought I'd just keep the stuff where I was agreeing with you, hence why the first part of your post is gone. It's not debating, it's agreeing, for the most part.
    "you should have been clear from the start".

    Kay, what part of this says you misunderstood me? What part says that you are being unfair? Stop putting words in my mouth.

    Oh I'm sorry, I had forgotten how courteous and pleasant you were in my conversation with you!

    So, let's drop this, now. I'm tired of this, really I am. If you still feel like sending me some of your bile, send it to me in a PM.
     
  12. hannah will not come back.

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    I didn't need to ask that. That was loudly answered already. And the answer was NO.
    I came with another question. It was: why?


    I thought your modding was based on bad principles and that your solutions were lousy. I said it and I explained why. I did not want a favor and a permission, I wanted an explanation and a reason for your actions. And if there is none, then a change in modding.
    And I know you say you agree with me, but when I say you I mean all moderators including the ones who delete all pairing threads, be they debate threads, or not.
    Stop taking this personally Kenneth. I may even like you but on this topic here you are just a moderator to me. And I agree you should not go after hurting moderator's feelings either, so I'm sorry if you're hurt, but I will address you as a part of the staff in charge. And if I criticize the staff, you will see it.


    I was. Nothing I said here is unclear.
    The only mistake I made was addressing an issue that never existed. You accommodating the whiny children of NF. While, according to you, you never do this.

    Well mere replying to my accusation says that you think I have wrong perceptions of moderators which means I am being unfair and that I am misunderstanding you, while it was already cleared up I did not know you agreed with me.

    Nothing to do with courtesy. I meant that it is mean because it is frustratingly unnecessary. My feelings aren't hurt by your accusation. My mind is.

    I don't feel like sending you anything. This has nothing to do with you and everything to do with all HoU moderators and all HoU users. This conversation is as much for them as it is for me, if not more.


    Also... It's a little fishy to me that you say you agree with light hearted topics now, when a light hearted topic being deleted was the in the first post I made on this thread.
    But maybe you just overlooked it by accident. It happens apparently.:distracted
     
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  13. Bontakun Maple Royal Guard

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    HoU pairing threads: The ONLY two threads in all of NF where we can discuss pairings. So I'm assuming pairing discussion relevant to the latest chapter also goes in these two threads.

    If not, please delete my post, but don't ban me :ano
     
  14. Kenneth

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    Discussions about the latest chapter will have to wait till monday. The only place where you can discuss what happened in the chapter would be the Telegrams... Or the Blender. :LOS


    ... Okay, and the fanclubs. But that's less scary.

    If you have doubts about when and where you can posts spoilers, check out this announcement (http://www.narutoforums.com/announcement.php?f=454&a=238).
     
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    Kenneth you said you'd talk to rest of the staff about light hearted pairing topics?
    Are they allowed now? :wtf
     
  16. Kenneth

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    We're still discussing that. Shouldn't take much longer now.
     
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    Question:
    Would it be possible to have more harsher punishment for the baiters/flamers ?
    Thing is, there can be some really interesting discussion about pairings but it always takes the wrong turn of events if someone just throws oil in the fire and ruins everything.
     
  18. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    We've added a more severe punishment in the Big3 thread, that there will be no more warnings depending on the offense and the users are subject to a direct section or forum ban.

    If coming to exist any other/s pairings threads in the section, the same will be applied to that thread.
     
  19. Bontakun Maple Royal Guard

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    So I'm back from along journey of self discovery... or rather, back from Telegrams, where pairing threads are constantly closed, without exception.

    Coupled with what you said just now Kenneth about how we cannot discuss latest chapter material in the two pairing threads of HoU, this means

    there is a void, a short period in which pairing topics related to the latest chapter cannot be discussed anywhere on Naruto Forums at all!

    Except fanclubs, but each have their own rules and followers, and it's impossible to hold a debate on the full range of topics with the full range of audience.

    Now, that's not gonna kill me. I'm a rather casual pairing fan. But it's a lot of work for the KT mods, who have to keep locking pairing threads. So, did you guys think about this already? Is this void on purpose? Maybe it's something you should discuss.
     
  20. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    It's a general rule that goes beyond the topic pairings, is a rule that has always existed and as far as i know it's not on purpose at all, until the telegrams are clean we can not talk about the last chapter out of that section, and any thread is closed and the user banned for posting spoilers outside of telegrams.

    Maybe you can expose it to the moderation of the section, since during this period of time is forbidden to discuss any matter of the last manga chapter in some other sections, and i guess it's not our call to meedle with that.
    We can take this post to them, but always worked this way so far, without any problems.
    I also remember that sometimes are left open some threads in some manga events related to this topic in there and are not all closed, at least while remained acceptable.
     
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  21. Kenneth

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    To my knowledge, it isn't on purpose. It's always been like this, from when spoilers used to be fine to post about on sundays instead of monday (might have been saturday).

    Why turn this into a second Telegrams section? Or would it just be for that one thread? I might be fine with that, but I'm not sure if that would be our call to make. Every section out there besides the fanclubs can't talk about the chapter, including the library. The section that's actually about the manga.
     
  22. Bontakun Maple Royal Guard

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    Alright I'll expose it to the moderator of KL as Rinoa suggested.

    Who knows, maybe he's aware of it but really likes locking threads :zaru
     
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  24. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    Bonta here are the other sections (bolded) where post-RAW manga spoilers are allowed provided that it's made ​​according to the rules of each section.:3

     
  25. Kenneth

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    An image of a snail would have been more fitting. It appears that we still have to wait for one staff member to pop up. I'd say "24 hours from now, pinky promise" but if I did that and 25 hours pass, I'd be a lying prick.
     
  26. Bontakun Maple Royal Guard

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    Oh. Well pairings discussion in Fanworks and Battledome would be kinda off topic (except pairing wars are kinda a combination of fanwork (wishful thinking by fans) AND battles (because we like to attack each other so much) hahaha).

    So do you think we can discuss latest chapter pairings in Translations? :hmm

    Edit: Nope. Telegrams is:
    "This is not a discussion section for actions or events within the manga. Any question or discussion should be related to the quality of the scanlation or translation *only*."

    So we're back to square one, watching members create tons of pairing threads which mods close as fast as they can. It feels like a kindergarten in KT sometimes :hoho. Anyway, I posted in the KL suggestions thread, so my meddlesome work is done for now until a mod over there replies. Danke sch?n und auf Wiedersehen.

    Edit: Who Jizzed all over the pairing debate thread? :maybe :maybe :maybe
     
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  27. Rinoa Comfy Crew Super Moderator

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    It feels like another section before some restrictions.:p

    Jizz...Who else could have been? ^^
     
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    I don't even know what that's about!


    I just can't stop..!
     
  29. Seto Kaiba God Hand Crusher

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    The Popularity thread seems to be like, not going well.

    Kenneth you should have seen this coming.
     
  30. Kenneth

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    I did, remember? But I'm also in favor of giving things a fair chance.
     

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