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Hollows made from Shinigami -> Yhwach?

Discussion in 'Society Library' started by PDQ, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. PDQ Meta-Debater

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    I don't follow. How did he get from hollows fusing with his Shinigami powers to it being Yhwach pretending to be his Zanpakto?

    Seems like a non sequitur
     
  2. Stevenh1990 Member

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    It's hard to understand because the translation was super shitty this week.
     
  3. mana2000 Mistress of the Night Sky

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    Basically, Ichigo's true zanpakutou is his hollow combined with Shinigami power, and Yhwach/Zangetsu only pretended to be his zanpakutou. How it happened.... just ask Kubo. :ichigo
     
  4. Coldhands A Thousand Eyes, and One

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    I really don't have slightest clue. Kubo better explain this.
     
  5. memocay Active Member

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    Yeah even Ichigos new true asouchi looks like a hollow :argh
     
  6. dark messiah verdandi I found the soul

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    Ichigo sees asauchi.

    Wonders, Why does my zanpakuto look like my hollow?

    Zangetsu is my Zanpakuto.

    Niyama tells ichigo: No this hollow has always been your zanpakuto.

    Whites attach themselves to shinigami powers and become the zanpakuto
    (I.e, the arrancar method. Zanpakuto is inner hollow within oneself.)


    If Whitey has always been Ichigo's Zanpakuto, as he attached himself to ichigo's shinigami self after birth, then obviously, zangetsu is a pretender.


    Zangetsu is what his quincy powers looked like as they started to incroach on his shinigami powers. Whitey is the personification of his WHITE power...lulz.
    Zangetsu is the personification of his quincy power.


    In that effect, zangetsu has never actually been the one bestowing the shikai and bankai power, he highjacked it.
    Ichigo's Zanpakuto powers have always been reminencent of hollow powers.


    Getsuga tenshou in bankai is the same wavelength as Cero Oscuras.
    He has a hollow mask.
    Tensa Zangetsu looked like a Gillian-class menos.

    :ichigo
     
  7. Magician Member

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    Waiting for mangastream's translation.
     
  8. jacamo Kekkei Genkai Sama

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    wait a minute... so every Zanpakto is actually a hollow?

    not just Ichigo but Rukia, Renji and Byakuya as well?
     
  9. RandomLurker Quick Brown Fox

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    Mangastream is terrible at translating Bleach. They come up with their own shit when they don't like the words Kubo uses and have even had gross mistranslations and inconsistencies.
     
  10. MS81 Supreme Jounin

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    maybe, but it's more so of Ichigo and his link to Hollows.:cry
     
  11. jacamo Kekkei Genkai Sama

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    ive always enjoyed Bleach but never been a hardcore follower

    realising that every Zanpakto is actually a Hollow in sword form is just as much of a mindfuck as Juha = Zangetsu for me at this point :lmao
     
  12. Grand Cross Funkiest Dealer

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    Nope. Every Shinigami uses an asauchi to craft their Zanpakuto.

    Ichigo gained his Zanpakuto from White, a Hollow. He's a unique case.
     
  13. PDQ Meta-Debater

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    If they're different, what was that whole thing with Shirosaki in the inner world saying he was Zangetsu? Was that not a White? He even merged with Zangetsu after one battle.
     
  14. jacamo Kekkei Genkai Sama

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    are you sure? or is this some contentious issue that cant be proven?

    i mean, what is an asauchi?
     
  15. dark messiah verdandi I found the soul

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    NONONO.

    It is not that every Zanpakuto is a hollow.
    Every zanpakuto is a spiritual construct, a homonculi if you will that has two forms. A manifest form, and it's form as a sword. It eats up the subconscious of the shinigami it is attuned to, and develops powers by itself based on those traits.
    If anything, one could say zanpakuto are closer to hougyouku as they realize the desires of the soul, and manifest them.


    ICHIGO'S Zanpakuto is a hollow.
    Here is why. Because Aizen created the whites. Whites are Hollow that infect the bodies of those they bite with what you could call a spiritual virus. From that virus, it waits to infect a shinigami host, Retroactively changing the shinigami powers and the zanpakuto that is connected to it, into a hollow.


    Now let us see what the White Virus did to it's best example. Kaname Tousen. He was an Arrancar/Vizard greater than them all, as he had the full suite of powers without any problem. Suzumushi was the zanpakuto gained from Tousen's best friend. After that he attuned it to his spirit, which knew darkness and abstention from senses. That is the passion that transformed that zanpakuto into suzumushi.

    After he joined aizen, and Aizen turned him, with the white virus, His zanpakuto kept it's shinigami powers, but also gave him hollow powers, with the ability to manifest a mask, and the ability to use ressureccion.
    This was not the method he used with the hougyouku, which turned arrancars at a 100% rate, without defect.


    Ichigo is right in the middle because of this fact.
    Niyama did not make his zanpakuto.
    EVERYONE else in soul society has a zanpakuto made by Niyama. All of them are.
    Ichigo created his himself. Who else has the ability to create their zanpakuto themselves?
    Arrancar. As they are the masks, and nexus of power of the hollow stored in the form of a sword.

    Ichigo is different than an arrancar, because arrancar do not have hearts. Even more interesting. Menos do not actually have a true self. They are an amalgam of everything they have eaten. A large corporation of souls with one dominant personality. Because of the nature of the hollow, and the fact that they don't have Niyama esque zanpakuto, They traditionally don't have hollow spirits. (The only hollow with a zanpakuto spirit is stark with lilinette )

    For Ichigo, the hollow itself became the zanpakuto, AND the spirit residing inside of it, so it was the body of the hollow as well as the soul. This is because he is not a shinigami, he is a vizard type arrancar/quincy.
     
  16. jacamo Kekkei Genkai Sama

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    thanks for answering my noob questions :amazed
     
  17. Cromer Active Member

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    Dark messiah verdandi, you utter beauty! Makes perfect sense.
     
  18. dark messiah verdandi I found the soul

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    Now we know the answer is "I am your zanpakuto".

    The thing we need to keep in mind of is that Zangetsu Isn't actually the name of Juha Bach.
    Zangetsu may as well be the name of the hollow. Cutting moon? What does whitey's hollow hole look like? A moon. What did his hands look like? Knives. Zangetsu is the name of the Hollow, not of Bach.

    The thing is, Bach started to fuse with Zangetsu to the point where he became zangetsu.
    We were originally under the impression that bach-Zangetsu represented the shinigami powers, and that Shiro Zangetsu represented the hollow powers.

    This was our mistake. Ichigo is not a Shinigami from the start. He was always a Vizard. So Shiro Zangetsu represented the totality of his powers.

    Bach-Zangetsu NEVER represented the shinigami powers. He represented Ichigo's QUINCY powers. Ichigo's Shinigami/hollow powers were perfectly in balance from the start. He was born a vizard, as the White Virus transmitted from Misaki to Ichigo. Perfect balance.


    It was the quincy powers that caused unrest in his soul. Those had been trying to absorb and take over Shiro-zangetsu, who started to fight back. Moreso, he had more influence in bankai form, where BACH did not have such a strong effect.

    If anything, it was TENSA Zangetsu that represented Ichigo's Shinigami half, and Shiro that represented the Hollow half and the Shikai.

    The truth was, Ichigo, Not actually Going to see Tensa Zangetsu was unaware that they were ORIGINALLY one being, and that they were being split in half. Tensa Zangetsu is the true form of the hollow residing in ichigo's zanpakuto.


    Bach-zangetsu is a totally different dude.
     
  19. jacamo Kekkei Genkai Sama

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    this thread should be stickied for dark messiah verdandi's posts

    Tensa-Zangetsu and Bach-Zangetsu are different guys as well?

    i mean god damn
     

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