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Feedback on possible Battledome section restructuring

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Daenerys Stormborn, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Retired Mod

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    Hi everyone! With the Naruto manga having ended and the sequel Boruto series not achieving the same popularity, there has been some discussion amongst the staff about how to bolster activity on NF. This would likely involve some reorganization of the forum structure, and one idea that has been floated is to place all of the Battledome subsections (NBD, OBD, BBD, and OPBD) into a dedicated Battledome section. This does not mean that the sections would be merged with each other, just that they would be placed next to each other in their own section of the forum main page, rather than being scattered across the forum with the discussion sections for their parent series. We recognize that this is still a major change for sections that many of our members are highly invested in, so we are seeking input from section members. What do you guys think about this possibility?
     
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  2. PhantomSage Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, it definitely means a lot of new people are gonna be coming to the NBD, not sure if that's a good thing.. :hm
     
  3. La presagio Lazy debater.

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    I like it bring some new faces here yo, it'll allow us to read some new opinions and have more productive and good posting members. It'll also provide character diversity and new threads, new members, new more creative ideas and nice post is the way I see it. I love the idea.
     
  4. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    I don't think it'd make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, I don't think it'd increase popularity of the NBD, it might bring in a VERY few fresh faces, but barely enough to notice.

    My opinion is, it doesn't really matter.

    Just don't ever merge all of the Battledomes together or i'll :explicat:catfish

    If you seriously want to increase the popularity the Battledomes, the mods should arrange tournaments (Similar to @Ryuzaki ) but do it every 2 or 3 months with real cash prizes, such as the winner gets 25$USD deposited into their Paypal account or a 25$ prepaid mastercard/visa that can be used online

    The declining popularity of the battledome has nothing to do with how the sections and subsections are organized (Although when I see a bunch of useless pinned topics taking up half the first page of NBD, it's a turnoff) it's that there's no satisfaction or incentive in winning debates. And these days, nobody is willing to budge on their opinions, and that's another problem with the BD.

    Or perhaps MOTM can get a cash prize, similar to the Tournaments I mentioned earlier, rather than just lightning on their name or a bigger avatar. I don't think the mods appreciate the effort that goes into CONSISTENTLY making sound arguments for an entire month, hell, I got 3 or 4 noms this month, and didn't even get put in the voting thread @Daenerys Stormborn i'd really like to know what that's about, i've yet to be banned and people with less noms than me were on there (PM me if you see this) I know I wouldn't win, but I should've been on there at the very least.

    Anyways. All big forums and games offer rewards for doing well that have some sort of value, this forum lacks. I still love the forum and think people are great in it.

    I know this forum was made to discuss the subsections topic, but I don't think that's the answer, it's going to do almost nothing.

    I've seen this kind of subsection merge on another forum, and it actually hurt the forums popularity and functionality, this idea of a subsection merge has too much risk and no reward.
     
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  5. Empathy Disciple of Thunder

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    How far down the front page would we have to scroll to reach the BD section? What we have right now you can't really beat, which is fitting as the NBD is the most active battledome, I believe.
     
  6. DaVizWiz ║╝‎‎ ‎‎╠╣ ║

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    The best way to avoid inactivity in the future is for the staff to take a more direct approach in the section, scheduling debating tournaments with manga characters and/or fictional characters and various manga/non-canon battle scenarios and having direct rewards/voter based accolades (Tournament MVD, Tournament Most Creative Debater, Tournament Most Charismatic Debater, Tournament Most Detailed Debater, Tournament Most Valuable Voter etc.)

    For instance, in the current tournament I'd vote for Empathy for MVD currently, I'd vote for Bonly or HandfulofNaruto for MCD currently, I'd vote for either Alex Payne or Rocky for Most Charismatic Debater currently, I'd vote for Saph or WorldsStrongest for Most Detailed Debater currently, and I'd vote for Turrin for Tournament Most Valuable Voter currently.

    This ensures that the tournament has many winners, not just one.

    Debating primarily for the individual entertainment in the user-based threads will maintain some of the veterans and bring in a few new faces here and there, but when there are prizes and bragging rights of being the best in the tournament/section at something (like the accolades presented above) will increase activity and bring back vets to participate in discussion, the most recent tournament brought back debaters like Turrin & Rocky to participate in the section after some absence from it and that was only a trial tournament run by a section great, but a user nonetheless.

    As for the idea of putting all BDs under a single parent section, I'm not confident that will have a greater positive outcome than tournament/staff engagement.
     
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  7. Saru slave to ambition Moderator

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    That won't happen. :hurr

    Inserting cash into the equation isn't something that's possible for the staff, and I don't think it's a sustainable resource of motivation. It'd be great if everyone could make money by debating, but that's just not feasible right now. We do have some other incentives, like MotM prizes (big avatar, sparkles, etc.), so do you think those incentives are, for lack of a better word, too lame? What other kind of (non-monetary) rewards would you suggest?

    The NBD's placement is somewhat negotiable, but it would probably move down 2-3 slots at the minimum. Nothing is absolute, though.

    No comment on the activity bit since I don't have access to those statistics.

    This is an idea I've been toying around with (in my head at least).

    We can actually toss some ideas around here, although it'd probably be best to do that in a separate thread/conversation so it doesn't drown out the thread topic. I may start a conversation with a few of you and encourage others to take part or start a suggestion thread later on this month or next month.

    +1 for the suggestion though, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
     
  8. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    No, I'd like lightning on my name similar to HoN, but new debaters wouldn't really care about that, I put effort month after month into my arguments for a chance at getting MOTM. But those kind of status symbols mean nothing to the average newcomer.

    Interesting question, as we all know, nothing motivates people like money. But it's hard thinking of non monetary rewards that would interest newcomers.

    All of the older-veteran debaters want those status symbols but it's hard to think of anything non monetary that would entice newcomers to work their butts off in debates. Perhaps permanently colored text, rather than having to change the color of their text all the time, or flashy rainbow colored text. It'd be more visually appealing to most people and could reflect their favorite people or shinobi (for me it'd be aqua blue to represent Kisame, yellow for Minato fans, Red for Itachi fans, purple for Sasuke fans etc etc) I tried sticking to colored text but frankly its a hassle to highlight everything and change it.


    Another good idea for newcomers would be to actually get new mods (In addition to current ones) to moderate the forums and communicate more often with the debaters. This would ensure no new debaters (or old) get harassed or trolled.


    But the best bet imo, would be to organize tournament's more frequently, somewhere around 3-5 times a year, giving new debaters a chance to show their stuff in tournaments. And give the same rewards (or perhaps some new ones the mods can brainstorm, similar to current MOTM rewards)
     
  9. Alex Payne a Char

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    Inevitable change. I am surprised at how much activity there still is. I was expecting this place to steadily stop being active right after the end of manga.

    As for actual changes to this section - having Debate Tournaments in different forms is a good idea overall. Assuming there are enough people willing to be organizers. Maybe try to integrate KC in a very light form into the core section. Oh and remove outdated pinned threads / clean this place up a bit.
     
  10. ARGUS The conqueror

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    Please don't incorporate people from Konoha library or other sections
    The last thing we want is for this section to get ruined or plagued

    To increase activity though. Better threads or debates should be encouraged

    And I feel users should have the independence of expressing their opinion, or debating in their usual style,
    Whether it be friendly or heated

    I got banned recently for flaming, even though there was no proper flaming at all.
    Insulting an argument doesn't equal personally insulting a user,

    So if you want the section to prolong, then atleast allow debaters to debate


    So many of good threads have been deleted because of some insults.
     
  11. Ryuzaki Moonlight ۷۸٦ Moderator

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    In order to bolster activity, I have a few ideas other than doing my part with tournaments, every 2-3 months or so.
     
  12. theBeginning Viva la revolución

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    It'd be lot better than searching for different battledomes. You have my vote.

    Good luck.
     
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    Consolidating all battledomes into one is interesting if we could use specifier to filter each respective thread lol
     
  14. Sapherosth One post man

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    I didn't even know that there were others.
     
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  15. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    That seems like a needless over complication.
     
  16. PhantomSage Well-Known Member

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    I think it's because you don't come off as "friendly".
     
  17. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Neither do a lot of the people that were on the voting thread, a few of them are known to be trolls.

    Maybe it's because one of the mods is biased, and doesn't want me there:kermit

    He knows who he is:gabe
     
  18. Ryuzaki Moonlight ۷۸٦ Moderator

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    Troy, I'm not a mod and I want you here.

    No homo.
     
  19. Sapherosth One post man

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    I think we should have a competition for "Who is the least friendly member of the month" or "Who is the worst member of the month".

    The "Winner" has to change their signature or profile picture to something that the community voted.


    That should spice things up.
     
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  20. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Or create a bunch of people too scared to even say anything that's contrary to someone elses opinion.
     
  21. DaVizWiz ║╝‎‎ ‎‎╠╣ ║

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    Troy has bias toward a character, according to what we think.

    Get over it, everyone has some bias toward a character.

    I can write a list for most who have bias toward a character, not necessarily intentionally, but because the way they read and interpreted them was less/greater than the majority opinion and that's what they believe.

    Not everyone can agree on the power scale of every character, even those who most closely share my beliefs of each character's power scale may think my evaluation of one or two characters are wayy too powerful/weak, thus they may think I have a character bias.

    Stick around Troy, we see your efforts, and I see you as a friendly user, but we can only nominate 6. You'll make the droplist eventually.

    Of course, if this were me three years ago and you wanked Itachi, I probably wouldn't be saying this. :lbj
     
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    I think creating newly born/original tournaments and make it so all NF members notice it with good presentation and all would be a good idea so that we can fight inactivity.

    For example, I never ever saw characters battle tournaments. Actually, I have an idea of making football leagues-like tournament based on tiers, starting with High Jonin to Low Kage, High Kage and so. Each time, the top charcaters wil qualify to the next tournament while characters at the bottom relegate to the tier just below.

    As for the tiers, actually we had so many ranking threads, so why not moderators or advisors can't make a general ranking divided intiers as initial configuration based on this threads ?
     
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    No tier list is perfect tho, it will always be that way due to bad matchups etc.
    Also, is mods make a general tier list, many might disagree with a character's placement
     
  24. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    That's why I said it should be based on a lot of previous ranking threads. Basically, it's BD's average tier list so that everyone can't desagree even if he isn't ok with the ranking.
     
  25. HandfullofNaruto The King of Carrot Flowers

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    This is the greatest idea ever.
     
  26. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    When other sections send their people, they're not sending their best.
     
  27. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    We need a wall to stop illegal posters from posting, they're bringing drugs and crime!
     
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    Personally it doesn't matter much to me since I can just open a new tab and click on the NBD and be sent here so where it's out on the main page is pretty meh to me so I'd say go ahead and put them all together. Now what you need to do is make a feedback thread for the NBD general and fix the order of the sticky threads
     
  29. La presagio Lazy debater.

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    Wasn't it something similar to this that the forums use to do a while back? Like funniest member of the month and stuff.
     
  30. Sapherosth One post man

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    I don't know.

    But I am definitely going to get the "least friendly member" of the month.

    That's one thing I am confident in.
     
  31. PhantomSage Well-Known Member

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    Really? I dont really see you insulting and flaming people
     
  32. La presagio Lazy debater.

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    I love the idea though. It'll be nice then just having member of the month, instead have things such as Debater of the month, funniest member, most aggressive debater. Most logical debater, nicest, most detailed debater things like that.
     
  33. theBeginning Viva la revolución

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    Nah. You're not giving yourself credit.
    I don't know about the others, but I actually find your posts about Itachi a lot more informative.
    Itachi's your favorite, right?
     
  34. Sapherosth One post man

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    lol, I haven't got into any heated debate recently, that might be why. I used to get warnings all the time for calling people retarded.



    Yeah, Itachi's my favourite. I don't think anyone here knows about this character more than I do in this forum. :cantrustleme
     
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  35. La presagio Lazy debater.

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    Don't really have one. In Naruto series, I mean.

    If I really had name one, I'd say either Naruto or Tobirama.

    My favorite character is Light from Death Note.
     
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  37. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Retired Mod

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    The forum as a whole used to do the Naruwards every year, but most of those were for things within the series itself (Best Character, Best Jutsu, etc). The NBD used to have an annual awards ceremony with categories like Most Contributive Poster, Best Debater, Funniest Poster, etc.
     
  38. La presagio Lazy debater.

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    Ahh yes that's what I was talking about when I first joined I clicked on a thread and it showed the old award like thing NBD use to do.
     
  39. Turrin 玄武

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    I would wait until Boruto Manga actually gets passed the Movie and into new content before deciding how popular it's going to be. DB-Super had the same lack luster start due to it originally following the movie.
     
  40. Godaime Tsunade Well-Known Member

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    If the motive is to boost activity across all of those sections, then maybe the lesser visited ones might get an activity spark by virtue of being put beside more popular sections like the NBD, which regulars will go out of their way to find. But the likes of the NBD might have a decline, between regular posters visiting and choosing to post in those other sections rather than the NBD more frequently than they would currently, and less regular members being discouraged because of the NBD being put further down the page and inside of a subsection.

    At the end of the day, this is a Naruto forum. Members sign up because they watch/read Naruto, and most people who wish to discuss hypothetical matches want to do so within the context of Naruto.

    I think it's better to promote the most active battledome independently, and created a designated section for all the others. So .. let's just keep things the way they are lol.
     
  41. Saru slave to ambition Moderator

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    Since the manga (and anime) ended, activity in Naruto Avenue has really slowed down. Most of our traffic now comes from sections outside of Naruto Avenue, and the restructuring aims to take that into consideration. In short, the forum is becoming increasingly less Naruto-centric, to the point that it makes less sense to have a Naruto section taking up space on the front page.

    However, the general sentiment that I'm getting so far is that most would feel comfortable leaving the NBD where it is, which makes a restructuring less likely.
     
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    Quick rundown of the responses in this thread [Updated 11/30/16]:

    Yes (4):
    • Ichibat
    • LAZLOLAZZING
    • Sadgoob
    • Saru

    No (4):
    • ARGUS
    • Empathy
    • Godaime Tsunade
    • t0xeus

    Neutral (11):
    • Alex Payne
    • Bonly
    • Drake
    • JiraiyaFlash
    • Matty
    • Mithos
    • Rocky
    • Ryuzaki
    • Sapherosth
    • The All Unknowing
    • Troyse22

    Wait/Unsure (3):
    • DaVizWiz
    • PhantomSage
    • Turrin
    I'd probably fall into the neutral camp since I doubt that this restructuring would be a huge boon or detriment to activity, and I think efforts to make the NBD more fun would be a more effective means of increasing activity anyway. With that said, I'll probably make a thread for everyone to pitch in with more suggestions right after Ryuzaki's NBD Tournament is over.

    Speaking of which, Empathy and Bonly's match (http://www.narutoforums.com/threads/3rd-nbdt-finals-escort-the-daimyo-empathy-vs-bonly.1087562/) has rebuttals up for both sides, and HoN and Saph's match (http://www.narutoforums.com/threads/3rd-nbdt-bronze-match-race-for-the-scroll-handfullofnaruto-vs-sapherosth.1087565/#post-56282474) has been done for some time now, so if you all haven't voted on them definitely take a look!

    EDIT: After having seen statistical data about forum activity, I no longer think it makes sense for the Naruto Battledome to remain a part of the Naruto Avenue.
     
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  45. Saru slave to ambition Moderator

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    The Naruto Battledome has really outgrown the rest of Naruto Avenue as of late. To put things in objective, numerical terms, the NBD is producing nearly twice as many posts as the Konoha Library per month, and is one of NF's most active sections forum-wide.

    @Matty @Rocky @Likes boss @WorldsStrongest @Drake @Santoryu @Kyu @Mithos @professor83 @Sapherosth @FlamingRain @Puppetry @The All Unknowing @Yoko @oetsuthebest @Munboy Dracule O'Brian @walpurgis Burgoo @Icegaze @JiraiyaFlash @cctr9 @Suoh @Eliyua23 @Panther @Ersa @blackguyinpinksuit @Intus Legere @Trolling @Aki-kun @Clowe @Shining Force @Super Kami Guru @Akitō @Crimson Flam3s @Bored321 @UchihaX28 @King Itachi

    I'm really curious what some of you have to say about the NBD leaving Naruto Avenue and becoming part of a hypothetical Battledome section since you're our most active or well-known users. Thoughts?

    Y / N / Maybe?

    Just to reiterate, this would not be a merging of the Naruto Battledome with the Outskirts Battledome and other Battledomes. The NBD would remain completely the same, just move to a different home. It would still be on the front page and in plain sight.
     
  46. Mithos Goddess-blood Princess

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    0lol, when I saw I was tagged in a BD Restructuring thread, I started to try and think up what I did to get in trouble.

    but on topic, I also don't really mind either way. I've got it bookmarked, and if it's moved, I'd just update the bookmark to the new location. Either way is no problem for me

    oh, and as far as the original topic. Putting all Battle Domes in the same section is a pretty good idea. But I'd suggest having links to the threads to the forums in their old locations (like this one under Naruto Avenue) for people that are used to that and are away of something
     
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  48. Matty Kamui Kid

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    I think it is probably best. A battledome section is most likely the best way to get new blood and ideas flowing as well, since maybe some people in the other BDs will feel compelled to visit and provide insight on threads or even contribute their own.

    As Mithos stated though it is up to you guys, the mods. I enjoy coming here and interacting with people and you guys run it and put it all together very well so whatever you guys decide, I will support.
     
  49. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    Im kinda new here so ı dont have any detailed thoughts on that. But can ı ask you ? What do you guys are aiming with that minor revision ?
     
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