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[Complaint] Explanation for the removal of the dumb, bad spelling, and old rating

Discussion in 'Questions & Complaints' started by Freechoice, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Dislike is used as a substitute for dumb now though. If I see a post I would, if possible, label as dumb, I dislike it instead. I'm sure many others do too.

    Disabling them doesn't really change anything except obfuscate the intention behind ratings. :ufdup

    Though arguing in favour of bringing back the dumb rating is pointless, even someone as daft as myself can see that. I can disagree with it until I'm blue in the face, it appears you and likely the admins are pretty concrete in keeping it disabled :catprone

    Old and Bad Spelling however, come on at least bring these back. They have a purpose.

    I'd use old for people repeating a joke, or talking about something that has been talked about before many times, an old overused meme, old news etc

    Bad Spelling? Consider it constructive criticism, it's certainly not an insult. As you said, dumb was scrapped because it exists for no other reason other than to lob an insult. Bad Spelling isn't insulting, especially if it's factual

    It can also help someone realise they made an error in their post
     
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  2. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Could you also clarify whether there was an internal discussion or if it was just an admin deciding on his own volition?

    If so who and why did they keep the ratings in the Blender

    keeping them there makes me think they were disabled in order to stop people whining about being dumb'd constantly, and considering people in the blender don't care/are all pseudo friends they won't care hence it was kept there
     
  3. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Yes we discuss lots of things.
     
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  4. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Going to see if we can reach a compromise on something but i wouldn't hold your breath on the dumb rating coming back.
     
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  5. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Bad spelling.
    Bad spelling.

    OMG, MIDER IS SO MEAN, SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY BEFORE MASS FEELINGS ARE HURT.
     
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  6. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    Or calling a post Old, right?

    I mean, that's basically like calling someone a nigger, yeah?
     
  7. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    Actually I'm not sure about the first one - the Blender DOES have loser rules.
     
  8. Xiammes Super Moderator

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    Thats fine, Optimistic and winner are low key insults as well, but taken as just by themselves they aren't.


    Yeah, I don't like to put my foot down and say "no thats not happening", but that's probably not going to happen.

    I've probably moved over to meh on old, still iffy on bad spelling. I'll probably wait for some more opinions on those.

    Realize*
     
  9. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Thats more like bad grammar not bad spelling but i will keep using your till the end of time. :hehee
     
  10. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    Wait, is saying that too harsh? Implying someone is a loser? I don't want to get in trouble for essentially calling someone a Nazi.
     
  11. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    Well it IS spelled wrong.
     
  12. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Not my version. :awesome
     
  13. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    your and you're? Yes. That is different spelling.

    God, I wish I could rate this post as dumb.
     
  14. aiyanah finesse

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    :hm
     
  15. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Saying it works just as much as rating it. Though i still agree with myself so there.
     
  16. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    This is fucking dumb.
     
  17. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Then why not have the rating to save thread space?
     
  18. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Its not my decision.
     
  19. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Though it is being worked on.
     
  20. Freechoice Freechoice

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    I knew optimistic was, but winner? Have I been getting insulted this entire time?


    So I swayed you a little bit? I guess something good came out of this thread after all

    Realise is proper here in Australia :ufdup
     
  21. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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  22. aiyanah finesse

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    i have been using optimistic as a loki insult, winner cant be an insult though, if it is then correct that in the calcs
    is this a good time to mention that disagree adds a +1 to total rating?
     
  23. Xiammes Super Moderator

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    Reality is a cruel mistress.



    I'm not some asshole who burys my heels in the sand, if I am wrong on something I am wrong on something.
    It fucking sucks to admit it though. :dammit



    Find me a place that matters and then we will talk :zamahug
     
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  24. Esdese Well-Known Member

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    can you add a kys rating please : ) Thank you!

    Or add a noose rating but make the hover text a question mark? That way people that don't know what it stands for can just use their imagination. Everyone wins :yes
     
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  25. jayjay³² Drug Addict

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    Like Xiammes said, not only are ratings checked there, but there are also other things there so it makes checking ratings a little harder than it should be.*
    It's*
    It is being work on, though.*
     
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  27. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Thats not gonna happen.
     
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    That's*
     
  29. Nighty the Mighty I swim in outer space Super Moderator

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    WEW

    DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW
     
  30. BlueDemon Demon's back in business!

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    JUST DO IT!
     
  31. Lucaniel non serviam

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    you already know the answer lol
    i bet this emotional pygmy is relieved af that nobody can deservedly rate his post dumb
     
  32. Freechoice Freechoice

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    @Dream @Reznor @Felt @Naruto

    its because I made this thread and not someone like wad isn't it

    disrespectful

    wanted at least some insight in the decision

    Xiammes did a fine job but I want to hear from an admin
     
  33. Reznor Administrator Administrator

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    Why are you choosing now to bitch about this, after I just enabled them in more sections? :lmao
    It's in the CB and Blender. Might put Old in the Cafe.

    I don't see a reason to add them to the other sections, just like how I'm not going to add "Ningen" outside the Dragonball section.
     
  34. BlueDemon Demon's back in business!

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    :blackhug
     
  35. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Your not going to put "Bad Spelling" in the Cafe?:giogio
     
  36. Reznor Administrator Administrator

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    I'll let the Cafe staff decide one.

    Bad spelling seems like too much of a way to shame people for not speaking English as a first language or posers that like to act like they are triggered by your/you're interchanges.
     
  37. Magilou 「Maginpui~!!」

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    as if the cafe matters
     
  38. BlueDemon Demon's back in business!

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  39. aiyanah finesse

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    true
     
  40. VAK I'm a motherfuckin Starboy

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    can we not replace dislike with dumb?
     
  41. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Not bitching

    Just asking for some transparency or clarity. Moderation and changes here are largely behind closed doors, rarely asking for input from the public.

    like instead of just removing them in the first place, make an announcement saying hey guys due to X reasons we are removing Y but keeping it in the blender for X reasons. We are open to suggestions blah blah you get it

    It also annoys me that admins had viewed this thread and just chosen to not engage (why?), leaving it up to a smod instead. That's not how it should work.
     
  42. Reznor Administrator Administrator

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    Well, it's not really a removal since we basically started without it. It's technically part of the default system, but not what we implemented. The way I see it, you're really asking for a change rather than asking why we did a change.

    So I think the burdens the other way on this one. Why should we add these ratings to the other subforums? Most of the staff I've asking don't think they'd be very good, so I'm not really moved to add them. If there's a particular section that you think they'd have a good place in that, we can discuss about that one in specific.
     
  43. VAK I'm a motherfuckin Starboy

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    How about oppai for the FT section?
     
  44. Saru slave to ambition Retired Mod

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    Some sections are probably better off without dumb TBH because it encourages trolling. CB and Blende\r are an exception because the members are the topic of discussion (so posting off-topic stuff like "you are a fart" is actually funny and within the bounds of discussion) and everyone there knows not to take things too seriously.

    "Old" is fine with me. Like, who throws a hissy fit over being rated "Old"? If you wanted to rating spam someone, why would you spam "Old" instead of one of the other more negative ratings, like "Dumb" or "Dislike"? I don't see any hangups.

    "Bad Spelling" is one that some sections are probably better off without too since we have members who don't type in perfect English. Some grammar nazi is bound to rate a Serb who doesn't have perfect English with "Bad Spelling" or something to distract from their argument and make them feel like shit (in my section, the NBD).

    I wouldn't mind having "dumb," but then that runs counter to the rules in certain sections like the Battledomes, which prohibit just calling a post "dumb" without backing it up in some way.

    Then we'd get (rightfully) grilled with this kind of question:

    Battledome Regular: "So you mean to tell me I can rate someone's post dumb without justification, but I can't tell someone their post is dumb without justification?"

    ... And now that I think about it, there could be some ageist or Naruto fan who feels so spurred by the way the manga ended that they have to go and rate every post in our Naruto sections "Old."

    Overall, it's a lot less complicated if the ratings that aren't universally enabled stay that way. We'd probably have to discuss each rating and deliberate over whether or not it's appropriate it's for a section, and there's more useful stuff the forum could be doing with its time. Section-specific ratings that are positive are probably easier to implement than negative ones for those reasons.

    But yeah, basically, you're right in thinking the staff restricted ratings to make things less of a nuisance. Like Rez said, you can always suggest certain ones for specific sections, but some of the disabled ones (like "dumb" and "bad spelling") are just waaay too convenient to click on (just look at how often @Xiammes makes posts that are both badly spelled and dumb) and encourage problems.
     
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  45. Aphrodite Moderator

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  47. VAK I'm a motherfuckin Starboy

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    bruh they just abuse the dislike button it's pretty comical since they coordinate with each other other PM...
     
  48. Vino

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    Dumb rating should also be in other sections.
     
  49. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Its left up to the mods of the sections.
     
  50. Dragon D. Luffy You can only cry when it's all over.

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