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[Complaint] Explanation for the removal of the dumb, bad spelling, and old rating

Discussion in 'Questions & Complaints' started by Freechoice, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Freechoice Freechoice

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    I have yet to see a justification for this safe space coddling bullshit

    The Blender is the only place with them enabled, what the fuck ?

    Explain that as well




    Love you all xoxo
     
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  2. Vino

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    people bitching
     
  3. Gina ; ]

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    'people get offended by being called dumb, old, or having their english proficiency called into question'
    'the blender is speshul because they weeded out all the ppl who'd otherwise complain'

    pretty much the same responses i've seen every time anyone including myself has asked this question

    not that it explains why they're pandering to the small handful of members that give a shit about ratings but we'll prolly never get that explanation :kanyeshrug
     
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  4. giantbiceps giantbiceps

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    Staffs disabled them by accident and don't know how to enable them back :kanyeshrug
     
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  5. aiyanah finesse

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    post in the blender
     
  6. Pocalypse Return of the God

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    Agree Freechoice it was a stupid decision.

    Can we get the ratings table back atleast?

    ffs why take away these options, wtf is the point of upgrading the forum if you're gonna negate its usage :catdude
     
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  7. VAK Reformed flamer...

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    Because a drop bear killed one of the admins loved ones.
     
  8. VAK Reformed flamer...

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    but being told they dislike you is ok?

    :skully
     
  9. BlueDemon Demon's back in business!

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    This plz.Thx bye.
     
  10. giantbiceps giantbiceps

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    Dude, this will likely never happen :hestonpls
     
  11. Mider T VM Rapist

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    I've been saying this since they removed them
     
  12. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    >Calling a member a worthless cunt is okay
    >Rating their post "Old" isn't
     
  13. BlueDemon Demon's back in business!

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    Yeah, people/mods on these forums are weird sometimes. Though I think they also argumented with different sub-forum cultures? Do we have safe spaces around I don't know about?
     
  14. aiyanah finesse

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    the entire forum is as safe a space as you want it to be
    those ratings were likely disabled cause the staff cba to deal with abuse cases
     
  15. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    this sounds strangely accurate
     
  16. Freechoice Freechoice

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  17. Naruto Henge! Administrator

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    It really isn't and if I see someone doing it, I'll ban them.
     
  18. aiyanah finesse

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    what if said member actually is a worthless cunt?
     
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  19. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Why reply to that post and not the topic of the thread?
     
  20. Naruto Henge! Administrator

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    I didn't remove the ratings, hence, I have nothing to say about it.
     
  21. VAK Reformed flamer...

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  22. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Who did?
     
  23. Freechoice Freechoice

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    So there wasn't an internal discussion about it or anything? Just one persons decision?
     
  24. Aphrodite Moderator

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    if we did have the bad spelling one enabled.. mine would be over 1000 easily. :hehee
     
  25. VAK Reformed flamer...

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    try 10,000 you constantly use you're and your wrong

    :skully
     
  26. Xiammes mooderator Super Moderator

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    Rep was always a huge pain in the ass, the rating system itself is even a bigger pain in the ass. At least with rep you could only rep 8 times a day and the same person 1-2 times a day, but ratings are completely unlimited and we don't even have a way to effectively monitor them like we do with rep, like outgoing or incoming ratings of a single person. So ratings that had were 100% negative were scrapped from most area's of the forum.

    Of course this is a community and we can talk about these things, but I am probably not going to switch my position on the old and dumb rating, bad spelling is iffy.

    As for turning the ratings table back on, that seems very likely.
     
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  27. Freechoice Freechoice

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    I still don't understand why they were disabled. Why does it need to be monitored? Doesn't the report system exist to help mitigate the need to rely on active monitoring?

    In the new updated rules it says that you're not allowed to mass disliked/negative rating members

    Why can't the rules regarding ratings work the same way rep and flaming does? With reports.

    I mean going by that logic, why not just disable disagree and dislike too? Dislike is arguably more negative than old and bad spelling.



    Still no answer as to why they are enabled in the Blender too. That's like removing the rep limit in the blender only or some shit
     
  28. Aphrodite Moderator

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    I agree.
     
  29. Xiammes mooderator Super Moderator

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    How the hell is the report system going to tell us when some jackass decides to spam 100 ratings? Each individual post needs to be linked to us to confirm anything. Rep is way easier and we can check outgoing and incoming rep of a person, we can tell immediately if someone targeting someone else if we check and to what degree.

    I disagree with that, dislike is not inherently insulting, it only means you disliked the contents of the post. Dumb/Old/Bad Spelling are not even low key ways to lob insults at each other like the optimistic or informative ratings are, they exist for nothing more then insults.

    I don't know about the blender, but the blender always had loser rules then the rest of the forum.
     
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  30. aiyanah finesse

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    so staff cant view ratings given or ratings received by users?
    really? :/
     
  31. Xiammes mooderator Super Moderator

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    Since freechoice will likely respond before he see's this. This is a open discussion so people are free to give their thoughts, I'm not here to shut down arguments for the old/bad/spelling.

    Pretty much the same level as any normal user. Go to the post, click to see who gave what ratings, then go and find the next post. No way to find out all the outgoing ratings of someone, at least none that I am aware of.
     
  32. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    Even members used to be able to when the change first happened, back when you could even see when a post was repped. But I think they got rid of it to pretend it doesn't exist as an excuse to not look. Now they can say "Well, then we'd have to check literally every post to see if it's true!"

    Funny though how it wasn't a problem or difficult to do when people like Beta were abusing the Dislike option. :skully
     
  33. aiyanah finesse

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    you can still view reps that someone else's post has received, you just have to have repped the same post

    but that aside, i've seen people abusing dislikes and get away scott free, blatantly abuse them at that with a list of ratings received posted by the victim and it being two pages of dislikes
    does the caveat of it taking place around the time of trump's election absolve that shit or is that allowed?
    if its the latter then why isn't it the same with the removed ratings?
     
  34. aiyanah finesse

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    should be said that reacting to opinions regarding an election should not make it ok to dislike every post one can see from a user who has opinions that are contra
     
  35. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Your right it does not make it right imo.
     
  36. Freechoice Freechoice

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    > victim realises he's getting mass dumb'd
    > reports person "this guy keeps dumbing my posts"
    > mod looks at ratings given (assuming they can view this the same way we can, as I can view others recent ratings, surely mods can)
    > ban ?

    If the victim doesn't care, he doesn't report. Same way getting constantly negged and flaming works. Some people don't care thus it doesn't get reported

    Or do you mean someone who just goes around disliking everyone's posts? You can still see their recent ratings right? I can view yours for example

    X

    I get what you mean about it not being reported in the first place though :hm

    But this is a digression; my whole point is the rating system is in place to express your feelings on a post, to disable all negative ratings is the epitome of this safe space shit - regardless of the actual intent behind it

    You [whomever disabled] opted to inhibit the freedom of expression of users in favour of dealing with the nuisance of people abusing the system?

    Do I have that right?
     
  37. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    @aiyanah Because, in general, the response was "It's just internet ratings, who cares." Beta was the only one I saw get scolded for it.

    Which makes everything so hilariously ironic.
     
  38. aiyanah finesse

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    so staff cant actually view the ratings received window of a user, only their recent activity which includes everything
    ok
    the correct move now is to empower the report button
     
  39. aiyanah finesse

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    beta got scolded for whoring ratings?
    or for bitching about dislikes?
     
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  41. Freechoice Freechoice

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    Someone on here found an exploit that enables instant ratings in the thousands, who in turn used it against beta to give him something like 5000 dislikes and 2000 disagrees

    :catskully
     
  42. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    Yeah but Xiammes just said if you report someone for abusing the ratings system, how are they going to know if they don't check literally every post?


    He bitched about dislikes because he got spammed with them, tried to retaliate, got scolded.
     
  43. Xiammes mooderator Super Moderator

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    If its not reported, we won't likely find out about it. Its funny, ratings are public but rep is easier to monitor as a whole. I know people think we have bloated staff, but most sections only have 1 or 2 active staff members, meaning a lot of things do slip by.

    Where are you viewing others recent ratings? Do you mean recent activity? That gets muddled up by all activity, but I did forget this was a thing.


    We have not disabled all negative ratings, the ratings that exist for no other reason then to lob a insult at each other were scrapped. Dislike and Disagree were kept afterall.

    Dumb - I think this one is clearly obvious why its gone
    Old - What purpose does this have at all then to try and demean someone?
    Bad spelling - I am iffy on this one,its not 100% negative, but its primarily going to be used to insult someone.
     
  44. Aphrodite Moderator

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    We can only check ratings the same way freechoice checked it. Which only goes back so far.
     
  45. Aphrodite Moderator

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    Also like Xiammes said not only ratings are checked there but also other things so it can make checking ratings a little hard.
     
  46. Law Godfather Moderator

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    I think 'old' would generally be used to let someone know their news isn't news or their joke has been told a hundred times.

    That one I'm just 'meh' on. But overall, I back Xiammes completely.

    There's no need for pure negativity in ratings. The only purpose it serves is to be nasty, and you guys are already good enough at that the old-fashioned way. We don't need it in ratings form.
     
  47. aiyanah finesse

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    see why its been turned off but why cant staff view ratings received/given?
     
  48. Law Godfather Moderator

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    Can't say for sure, but I feel comfortable blaming it on mbxx. *shrug*
     
  49. Rey Play Nice, Play Pharah

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    >Dislike isn't negative

    ok
     
  50. Xiammes mooderator Super Moderator

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    No one said it isn't, its not the same as calling a post dumb.
     

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