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Everything about Bijuu mode vs Sennin Mode

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives 2' started by bearzerger, Dec 10, 2010.

  1. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    I've been thinking about how Naruto will fight from now on in BM. And well, since I had too much time on my hands I decided to make an overlong post about it :laugh
    Especially I've been wondering about his replacement for KB afterall his goal is to be stronger than he was with SM.

    Not only is Naruto losing his entire bag of tricks, which is what allowed him to defeat most of his opponents, but he's also losing the FRS and the Oodama Rasengan.
    Even should he combine SM and BM one day I sincerely doubt he'll get the FRS, though the Oodama is a possibility.
    If you think about his fight with Pain it should be apparent how much the absence of bunshin and FRS is going to limit Naruto's tactical options.

    Yes, I know he's crazy fast in this new mode, but not that much faster than he was in SM and to Madara and Sasuke speed is nothing.
    Yes, he can use those chakra arms, but a) Sasuke has already seen them and won't be surprised by them and b) Sasuke can just incinerate them with his Amaterasu. besides they are rather clumsy.
    Even the new Rasengan, which will probably end up the same as the bijuu blast isn't that big an improvement. The move has been defended against so often it can't be expected to succeed now. It mostly fills the gap the FRS left behind.

    Right now I don't really see how he's much stronger by relying on BM instead of SM. Especially if you look at how he fought against the Kyuubi once his mother filled his vessel with love. If anything he's weaker since the loss of his trickery is worth more than gaining those chakra arms imo.

    I think this adjusting the ratio of plus and minus chakra thing he's learning right now will be used for much more than the Rasengan.
    Depending on what properties the two types of chakra possess, the manga seems to indicate the white chakra is soft and flexible, while the black one is hard and heavy, Naruto's future fighting style could be based upon combining the two lessons he learned in this training session. First to shape his chakra shroud as he desires and second to adjust the ratio of the two types of chakra he has in bijuu mode.

    The black chakra is what makes the new Rasengan so hard and heavy and due to it's weight it doesn't seem to move very well. Whenever Naruto has used it in larger quantities he has been standing either in place or while he fought Pain he had to materialise an additional pair of legs to move his otherwise immobile body. The black chakra is also what allowed a defense which not even Kusanagi could break through.

    The white chakra is soft and flexible as we've seen numerous times when Naruto used it to grab a tree or when he used it to propel the bijuu ball forwards at a high speed, but it offers little to no protection when the chakra isn't moving rapidly as we saw when Naruto sprained his ankle by crashing into the wall. Presumably it's also what burned so fiercely when Sasuke incinerated the Hachibi and why Sasuke could cut through the Hachibi so easily.

    We know Naruto won't ever master numerous jutsu and with Kagebunshin sealed he needs a completely different fighting style. So it has to be something simple and effective. Move with white chakra at high speeds and using that inhuman mobility, which allows counters even while the main body gets hit, and for a short moment use black chakra to amplify an attack, by let's say encasing a fist in black chakra before it hits, or to increase the defense against physical attacks as we've seen many times.

    Well what do you think?
     
  2. Oberyn Nymeros Active Member

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    Youre seriously underestimating the chakra arms man. Chakra arms >sharingan prediction, theyre fast, theyve got range, they can crush stone with ease, and i wouldnt be suprised if they can block attacks. And i dont think rm is that fast; he was fast because he used shunshin. It seems like he also used shunshin in sage mode against pain and he got way more distance out of that one. I dont really think that we'll get any more info on the - and + chakra. I always assumed that only the kyuubi had such a ridiculous defence.
     
  3. Corax Active Member

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    His fighting style will be more predictable and this is a very bad thing. Yes chakra arms can be used in some tricky way but they cant be compared to additional SM/base mode kage bunshins. RM Naruto will be just a powerhouse with regeneration/shunshin/biju blast. Well of course he will use some tactics but without Kb it will be limited.
     
  4. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    Everything is relative. Yes they are fast and they've got range, but think who naruto will go up against. Sasuke and Madara are both very fast and while the chakra arms can block regular attacks, no one is going to use regular attacks. The weakest attack Sasuke would use against it is chidori and chidori would cut straight through one of those arms. We have evidence of that. Also I doubt those chakra arms will help by themselves against Amaterasu or Susanoo. They would get burned by the first and couldn't break through or defend against the other.

    As for speed. I count shunshin usage as speed. Everyone is constantly using it in a fight. It's difficult to compare Naruto's speed in BM and in SM.

    We have to get more info on - and + chakra. Right now those things are just out there. We need to know atleast what the two kinds of chakra are good for.

    That's my point he needs something more than regeneration/shunshin/biju blast or he won't be noticably stronger than in SM. And really there's no way he can defeat Sasuke with those three abilities. The later two are completely worthless against Sasuke. This +/- manipulation would be what makes up for his loss of KB.
     
  5. Amrun Doesn't want a Custom Title

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    Wall of text no jutsu prevented me from reading this, but I wanted to say that I think eventually SM and KM will be merged somehow, as a final sort of powerup.
     
  6. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    + and - chakra is nothing more then Yin/light and Yang/black chakras. Those opposites probably consist of either to much spiritual energy or to much physical energy, the girl from the sound4 that fought Shikamaru used a move based mainly on spiritual energy with very litle physical energy that creates ethereal forms that feed on physical energy because spiritual and physical energy need to be balanced. We got a glimps of Yin and Yang based chakra for the first time. Minato sealed only the Yang Kyuubi chakra inside Naruto yet he usess some Yin,im guessing that Kyuubi absorbed slowly some of Naruto's Yin chakra and even made it far stronger,remember Yin and Yang always balance each other so its possible that Kyuubi's Yang made Naruto's Yin stronger over time.
     
  7. Bild  

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    What I'm more interested in is if he's going to be capable of combining both modes. Though your proposition is interesting, if mastering this whole black/plus and white/minus chakra helps for Naruto to become a formidable ninja, I say that's an improvement more than welcome.
     
  8. Corax Active Member

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    RSM will be super powerful. Ghost punches+chakra arms?Yes please. But i doubt that he will fuse both before his fight with EMS Sasuke. I think Naruto will use RSM to counter Sasukes new EMS jutsu.
     
  9. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    If you don't read it just shut up. Nothing you can say will be a worthwhile contribution to the thread

    Didn't I adress this once before already with you. Plus and minus isn't yin and yang because for one the Kyuubi doesn't have any yin chakra since Yondaime sealed it and the Kyuubi didn't get it back over the years from Naruto either. There's no evidence, not even a hint of that happening and it would contradict Jiraiya's statement.
    Second, there's no reason why Bee would refer to yin and yang by plus and minus. It's a needless complication. Kishi hasn't even explained yin and yang properly, why would he confuse the issue by suddenly calling it plus and minus.
    Finally what white and black chakra does and has been doing whenever we saw a jinchuuriki or a bijuu fight doesn't fit to what we've heard about yin and yang.

    I hesitate to predict how the next power up will look like when we don't yet know how the current one will. Once I've seen bijuu mode in action, then I'll be willing to make predictions about what SBM will be like.

    That does sound quite possible, however usually Naruto only showcases one power up per fight. If Naruto's next fight is the one against Sasuke the power up he'll show off will be BM and not SBM
     
  10. Saunion Active Member

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    I think you're underestimating the all around powerup RM gives Naruto. You're saying he's losing his entire bag of tricks, but you don't realize that RM added to Naruto's tricks would simply make him unbeatable. RM Naruto is likely at the very top of the ninja world in terms of pure physical and destructive ability. If you add the number and tactical advantages given by kagebushin, then it's just too much.

    Besides, it's not like RM's drawbacks mean there won't be any strategy involved in Naruto's fights. Quite the contrary actually. If he kept his kagebushin, then he could have just spammed it and owned everyone effortlessly. That wouldn't have made for very interesting fights. But here, he has to manage Kyuubi absorbing his chakra, probably by using sage mode inbetween two uses of rikudou mode. It means we're likely going to see some pretty creative combination of the two modes in battle, and it's cool.
     
  11. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    So you think that Kishi introduces 2 pair of duality chakras,Yin and Yang being one type then some other subtypes :Yang can be either + and -, same with Yin that can be either + and - ? :geg That makes litle sense,Yin is refered to light,spiritual nature of things while Yang has black,physical nature.The reason why Naruto's Bijuu Rasengan got so heavy is because he used to much Yang/black/physical chakra and to litle Yin.This is the original concept of Yin and Yang. Why would Kyuubi geting back part of his Yin chakra from Naruto contradict the manga?
    For example we saw back in part1 that chakra made mostly from spiritual energy with very litle physical energy seeks more physical energy to balance the other half. Yin and Yang always need to be in balance so Naruto's Yin chakra growing stronger in the presense of Kyuubi's Yang makes sense,we know that Kyuubi can devour some of Naruto's chakra to.
     
  12. Saunion Active Member

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    Also to add to what RM can do, I'd like to see Naruto experiment with the chakra limbs thing.

    Remember how KN4 was able to make limbs sprout out of limbs? Like he had four chakra claws against Orochimaru. He even made an entire second body made of chakra emerge from the original one. I'd like to see Naruto do something like that. Maybe create artificial bodies made of Kyuubi chakra without using Kagebushin, as a way to work around the drawback.
     
  13. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    I always love it how people jump to conclusions before we see what the character can do.:hurr
    Then they go "ZOMG" when we see the character in action. :hurr
     
  14. Face :0

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    Your really underestimating RM. While KB is no longer usable, neither Sasuke nor Madara will able to overpower Naruto in a close quarters fight. The whole point of RM is to give Naruto ridiculous amount of power so that he will no longer need assistance from Kage Bunshin. SM may give Naruto more variety, but that is all it really has over RM.

    You saw what KN6 did to Pain. Naruto has nearly all of the Kyuubi's chakra. A taijutsu battle with RM is not really an option for them even if they have a sharingan. So both Sasuke and Madara will most likely depend on mid/long range attacks. Also the Menacing Ball has more power than any of Naruto's Rasengan varients, so it shouldn't really be an issue. We also don't know whether Naruto can use FRS in Rikudou Mode. It's better to wait and see.
     
  15. Corax Active Member

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    I think that this Biju rasengan is an overkill really. FRS can destroy on cellular/molecular lvl already. May be Naruto will use it to break Sasukes super EMS Susano but this is only a speculation.
     
  16. Coldhands A Thousand Eyes, and One

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    Yep, it's gonna be fucking overkill. It's gonna be a lot more powerful than FRS, which is already one of the most powerful moves in Narutoverse. Some might argue that Susano can defend against Biju Ball but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
  17. Godammit Active Member

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    Naruto could do the same with Senjutsu , they are invisible + they can one hit ko
     
  18. sinjin long THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

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    i predict naruto's ultimate final jutsu will be none other than:


    (wait for it......)











    MENACING BALL FUUTON RASENGAN SHURIKEN!!!!!!!!

    you all know it's gonna happen.
     
  19. Face :0

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    I have a feeling that "that jutsu" is gonna be greater than anything we've ever seen. It might be even more powerful than Menacing FRS.
     
  20. Turrin 玄武

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    Dude Bijuu Ball Rasegan is far superior to FRS. I think what were going to see for the time being is Naruto mixing up his Modes, IE he'll go to Base Mode and Sage Mode when he needs to use KB or attack with a deceptive technique like FRS or Natural Energy and he'll enter Bijuu Mode for powerful Raw Power attacks like Bijuu Ball Rasegan or to evade certain attacks with Shunshin no Jutsu. This is the way I see it

    RM ~ Speed + Ultimate Attack
    SM ~ Physical Strength + Versatility
     
  21. mayumi Active Member

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    i am actually very interested to see how naruto will fight with out his KBs. how he will do his feints and tricks. its definetely like a new style for him and us.

    at the same time naruto unable to do KB in RM kinda sets a weakness for him for others to exploit like casting genjutsu. its basically kishi throwing a bone to the bad guys. perhaps a way for itachi's power to kick in in that mode.

    that bijuu rasengan is just to blow up the moon incase madara does cast his moon genjutsu on the world :p
     
  22. Saunion Active Member

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    Senjutsus's phantom punches are different, they're not long range, and they can't be stacked (as I said, reread the KN4 vs Oro fight, and you'll see the chakra claws are potentially lethal).
     
  23. Gin Ichimaru Active Member

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    Bijuu Mode should have the power of say 6-tailed Naruto, but he stays conscious
     
  24. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    I don't think I'm underestimating BM. Naruto was already at the top of physical and destructive ability with SM. The relatively little he gains physically by trading SM for BM isn't worth what he loses by giving up KB unless he gains something else. Especially since sheer physical prowess isn't enough. Think about it, Madara and Sasuke both can deal with overwhelming physical abilities because of their eyes. Naruto can be as fast and strong as he wants to that won't be enough against things like Susanoo or Amaterasu, no need to even bring up Madara's Izanagi.

    That's why I believe learning to adjust the ratio of black and white chakra in an instant is what will make BM a much stronger power than regular SM.


    Why not? It's only bijuu who have this plus and minus chakra afterall. No one else does.
    If the white - chakra was yin, the spiritual chakra, why does it increase Naruto's physical power? It should be the black. Also why did Yamato remark about Naruto's incredible lifeforce while in the bijuu mode which is yang? Again it should be black. Why would he use spititual chakra to physically blow things away? Check the encounter with Oro and Kabuto at that bridge, Naruto is encased in a sphere of black chakra, but it's the white chakra which blows Kabuto away. Is that really what spiritual chakra should do?

    All those abilities he showed under influence of the Kyuubi are what I want to see him now use on his own. Before Kyuubi always took over managing the +&- chakra. Now Naruto needs to do it by himself.

    Hardly conclusions. they are predictions. And I think reasonable ones.

    It should be obvious that even with SM neither Sasuke nor Madara could have overpowered Naruto in a close quarter fight. And Madara for one won't take Naruto's power head on.

    The bijuu ball won't defeat either Sasuke or Madara. Madara has his phasing ability and Sasuke has Susanoo. Besides is always failed with the KN stages, it failed with the full Kyuubi, it failed with Hachibi it will fail now. All it's good for is wiping out fodder and perhaps if Naruto is very lucky it might put some cracks in Susanoo. But I doubt it.

    I doubt it. But it is possible.

    same as with Corax

    Switching up the modes is possible, but your suggestion makes BM look very limited. Far too limited in fact. Besides there's still the problem of getting into SM in midst battle.
     
  25. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    While in RM Naruto's both Yin and Yang chakra are balanced hence the yellow color of the aura like Naruto's own chakra. The Yin chakra is actualy more light then yellow and as we already know Rikudou used the power of Yin-ton to create things out of nothing meaning that the spiritual chakra can still become tangible and affect the physical world hence why Kabuto got blown away. I also think that SUsano-o's body is manifested Yin-chakra ,the Yang chakra is connected to life force and is internal,notice when Naruto transforms into KN6 the Yang chakra shapes a Kyuubi body from Naruto's own blood while the Yin-white chakra shapes the skelleton and the muscles of the Kyuubi . It makes sense since Yin has the power to create forms using spiritual energy while Yang breaths life into these forms using physical energy . When Minato sealed the Yin-Kyuubi chakra in the death god,Kyuubi's size shrunk by alteast 50% meaning that the Yin chakra made the Kyuubi look biger,again this is due to the Yin-chakra's property of changing the shape of things.
    My understanding is this:
    Yin chakra = More spiritual then physical energy
    Yang chakra = More physical then spiritual energy
    A Bijuu consists of both chakras,also both chakras can be used in seperate manner and the combination of both gives different effects.

    It doesent make sense that Kyuubi's Yang alone is + and - ,this would mean that Yin is also + and -. If this were true it would be very confusing to combine all this Yin +/- and Yang +/-. There are only 2 dualities Yin/Yang,light/dark,spiritual/physical not 4.
     
  26. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    I agree Susanoo is probably a Yin and Yang manipulation. But I'm not so sure about what you said about the KN stages. Before Naruto took control of the Kyuubi's chakra at KN4 and beyond the poisonous chakra attacked his own body and that's why he got literally flayed by it. That's how it was explained.

    My understanding is slightly different. Yin is the spiritual power, the power of imagination. And Yang is the power of life of reality. The difference is straightforward and not that fuzzy line you propose. Yin and Yang in Naruto is different from the yin and yang we know from old chinese mysticism.

    I still see no reason why Kishi would refer to it as negative and positive chakra instead of Yin and Yang.
    I think you are wrong to try to explain everything in terms of yin and yang.
    Not everything is supposed to be explained by Yin and Yang manipulation. Spatial manipulation and elemental manipulation is something separate from yin and yang manipulation. So is this.

    Besides why would the Rasengan suddenly need the 8:2 ratio if positive and negative was Yin and Yang? Afterall Naruto also has Yin and Yang, it would be no different from what the Kyuubi has, atleast in principle. And yet he never before had to waste a thought about the ratio of his Yin and Yang.
    And why would the Rasengan require Yin and Yang manipulation in the first place? It's a move which requires high level of spatial manipulation and nothing else.

    I really see no problem with the bijuu having two different kinds of chakra. One positive and one negative. Whatever that means. They aren't human afterall, so why would it surprise anyone that they do possess different types of chakra?
     
  27. sinjin long THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

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    its not that rasengan requires yin/yang, naruto's regular rasengan and its variants all have both types of chakra.

    its the menacing ball and now the menacing ball rasengan that requires the 8:2 ratio to become an amalgamation of a full bijuu form menacing ball

    as a matter of fact this was already shown when naruto in kn4 attacked oro with menacing ball,remember the black and blue chakra orbs that kn4 combined then compressed,swallowed(remember the ground collapsed under the sheer mass and even oro commented about kn4 being weighted down)and then fired at oro?

    that shows right there the combining of the yin/yang,+/-,light/dark required to perform the menacing ball
     
  28. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    OK so let me ask you this, if + and - chakra are black and white chakra,then what would be the godamn difference between black and white ,Yin/Yang chakras ? Would there be 2 kind of black and white chakra? I highly doubt it.
    Yes Yin is spiritual power while Yang is physical but Yin also can create things out of nothing and Yang can be manifested as life force.
    As for the KN transformations, untill KN6 Naruto seems to access more of the Yang part with very litle Yin while in KN6 the Yin chakra starts to get visible,you can see parts of Kyuubi's skelleton mixing with the menacing ball,the white Yin part.
     
  29. Jikayaki Active Member

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    Your still trying to explain + and - chakra according to yin and yang. The black and white chakra isn't related to yin and yang directly think of it no differently than elemental chakra. There would presumably be some sort of difference between katon chakra made only of yin chakra and katon chakra made only of yang chakra, but fundamentally it still is katon chakra.

    Kyuubi merely has yang chakra his yin was sealed away be Minato. Nothing in the manga points to Kyuubi's yin chakra being regained through any process including stealing yin chakra from Naruto.
     
  30. Saunion Active Member

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    Again, I think you're undermining RM compared to SM. You just have to look at the Pain fight: compare the size of the blast made by the FRS, and then the explosion created by KN6's bijuu bomb. Pain could repel Sage Naruto with little trouble using Shira Tensei, but once KN6 came out he couldn't do anything and hightailed. And that was only KN6, something weaker than what Naruto has access to now.

    Besides, his use of Kagebushin was already limited in Sage Mode, because if it wasn't, you'd see stuff like Cho Odama Rasentarengan spammed constantly, and no one would be able to stand against stuff like that.

    Amaterasu can be dealt with the increase in speed granted by RM, as Raikage showed. Susanoo and Izanagi are another story, but don't forget he also has "that jutsu" whose purpose is specifically to counter Madara's skills.
     
  31. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    same as with Camorra, I see no argument why positive and negative should correspond to yin and yang.

    Not once has black been equated with yang and white equated with yin, or the other way around. Atleast not in Naruto. I mean in the first place the imagery wouldn't fit. The power of lifeforce black? Really doesn't make much sense. If anything the colour or temperature of chakra are usually determined by the personality of the user. WHich is why Naruto has a bright and warm chakra while Sasuke's chakra has gotten progressively colder.

    Oh and I can't agree with your logic. Until KN 4 the tails were always white. Then starting with KN4 Naruto's skin got flayed by the poisonous kyuubi chakra and the blood coloured the shroud red/black. Never has anything been said about Yin and Yang in regards to the transformation.

    Like Jikayaki said black and white chakra isn't related to yin and yang. It's something different though I don't know whether it should be compared to elemental chakra.

    So what if the explosion is bigger. Either one would kill a target if it hits. It is unknown which is better at breaking through armor or defenses of any kind.

    In SM he could hardly bury nonexisting tails in the ground to withstand the jutsu. Besides even in SM he was unharmed by ST. But you saw how regular Naruto could even withstand the move if Bunshin buffered him.

    It was enough for trickery. Naruto is beyond unnecessary KB spam. Just two or three clones are enough. Fighting the Kyuubi was an exception.

    I see no reason to think that Naruto's reaction speed is as quick as the Raikage's, who by the way is increasing it with raiton. All I know is that Sasuke could handle Bee's speed just fine when he had his guard up. Naruto doesn't have sharingan. Just like Bee he will only be able to attack in a linear way at certain speeds. Besides Sasuke's command of Amaterasu has improved since then. He could just put the flames in front of a rushing Naruto and at high speeds there's no way Naruto could evade them.

    He doesn't have "that jutsu" yet. Unless we hear more about it, it is presumably still unfinished.
     
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    This bijuu rasengan looks shit its not even a rasengan its just a cannon ball.
    If he don't shoot this like kamehameha is quite pointlesss.But I already picture super stretch arms acting as the beam it will look weird.

    The only good thing good about the mode is naruto's whole fight style changes as there's no bunshin spam.He can fight like the over ninjas for once his fight will be more fluid & no standing still moments.

    Other then that this mode sucks all it does is make stuff grow,glow in the dark,and build lego blocks.
     
  33. Rokudaime Active Member

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    Who need SM or KB when he going to use this in the future? Black Rasengan for the win !

    [YOUTUBE]XO8J_VVtt2A[/YOUTUBE]
     
  34. ?_Camorra_? All ur chicken belongs to me

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    Um what? Yin and Yang are the 6th Elemental manipulation,as explained by Yamato and Jiraiya. No, according to your logic there is Black-Yang ,then there is black-Yin chakra,see how stupid that sounds? Bijuu chakra is made out of two dualities Yin/Yang ,-/+ ,it isnt necessary for the writer to state this directly to know it. High concentrated Yang/physical chakra is indeed black,according to the concept of Yang/its black symbolizing the earth while Yin is light symbolizing the heaven. Sasuke's chakra gets purple as seen on the colored Susano-o pages,not black,Naruto's chakra in normal state is balanced Yin/Yang chakra hence why the yellow color.
    Also in one of the earliest translations of Yamato's remark about Yin/Yang elemental manipulation during Naruto's FRS traning it was writen "The physical recomposition of dark/light chakra....." in others Yin/Yang..........instead of black/white.
     
  35. Face :0

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    I think it might be the fact that RM doesn't have as much variety as SM that you guys dislike it.
    But overall RM should be much more powerful than SM. Not to mention "that jutsu" requires Naruto to use it. Once Naruto combines the SM and RM I'm sure these issues he has will go away. This is only temporary. So there is no reason why you guys should be worried about it.
     
  36. BrokenBonds Blinded by Instinct

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    Beast Bomb (or Bijuu Bomb or w/e the fuck it's called) will most likely make Sage Mode look like a piece of shit compared to the power it will demonstrate.
     
  37. BrokenBonds Blinded by Instinct

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    Do some of you really believe the new power up is going to be weaker than the last one. :giogio
    This is NARUTO we're talking about, the most stereotypical manga ever, and it's basic shounen knowledge that the new power up ALWAYS surpasses the last ones.
     
  38. ryz MOAR POWA!

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    IIRC, the whole point of giving Naruto the seal was so that he could control Kyuubi so that it doesn't interfere with Fukusaku merging with Naruto for SM. Now that Kyuubi is controlled, the merging can happen.

    RM will just increase the initial base chakra that SM expands upon. So I guess Naruto will go RM first, then go SM. He will be able continue SM indefinitely due to Fukusaku being on his shoulder, and RM and SM will counter each other's weaknesses. Voila, Plus Naruto.
     
  39. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    It doesn't sound stupid at all. I don't try to explain the colours of chakra with yin and yang. According to my logic the bijuu have two types of chakra, black and white. Yin and yang doesn't figure into it. Naruto and everyone else only has one. Naruto has yellow chakra, Kakashi has white chakra I believe, Sasuke did have purple chakra in the anime, I don't think he ever got a colour in the manga.

    See, you are just making that up. Not once has there been any evidence that yang chakra is black and yin chakra is white or light.


    You yourself bring up the best example. Sasuke's chakra is darker than Naruto's, does that mean his chakra somehow leans more to the yang side and Naruto's more to the yin side? Shouldn't balanced chakra be grey? Chakra colour and temperature is determined by the individual character. The more sinister the personality the darker and colder the chakra. Naruto with his warm personality has an equally bright and warm chakra. However before he challenged Yami Naruto he had a darkness deep inside of him, which Karin remarked upon. That darkness didn't have anything to do with Yin or Yang.

    Yeah, in one of the earliest translations which was wrong and was later on corrected. Bringing up a flawed translation doesn't help.

    Yes it should be more powerful. But right now it doesn't yet look that way. Which is why I brought up this adjusting the ratio of the two chakras.

    And yet it will fail against Sasuke, Madara and probably even Kabuto.

    No doubt about it. BM has to be stronger. This thread is an attempt to explain what will make it stronger.

    No, that wasn't the point at all. Naruto has no designs on merging with Fukasaku. Just think about how stupid it would look. Naruto with Fukasaku on his shoulder. Jiraiya was one thing, he had the shoulders and the froggified face for it, but not Naruto.

    I doubt it will be that easy. Now that Naruto has two types of chakra, positive and negative, merging them with natural energy will be even more difficult. Besides Naruto can't get an ultimate power up like that without drawbacks. There have to be limits and risks.
     
  40. AoshiKun うちはサスケ

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    BM >>>> SM by far. This manga isn't about strategy anymore, the guy who has more Raw power is the winner.
     

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