Discussion in 'Meta-Battledome' started by Reznor, Dec 16, 2015.
I'll watch the video, but Beerus' "planet" isn't that big. It isn't Earth we're talking about.
Beerus' planet is bigger than Earth, it's like, gas giant size; planets without suns, like the kind around Beerus' are X It's also more massive, like sun level mass. It has a shit load of planets orbiting it, so either his planet is Super big or super massive, or both.
Also worth noting in this image, the planet in front of Beerus' Temple is like the size of a softball in comparison to it.
I can imagine the lifting upgrades the god tier will have
and then remember the 1000 tons Magetta statement from beerus....Damn it toyataro
40 tons, tho
Did they wear the suits in the manga? Did the suits sinking deep into Beerus' planet happen in the manga? Manga Vegeta could have those limits, but for anime Vegeta, wearing a suit more massive than Planet Earth would be like wearing a feather. Probably another reason why Goku doesn't even bother taking off the weighted training clothes, anymore.
Yep and Nope
Well if that's the case, 'suits had vastly different properties in each medium, then.
why the hell do people pretend lifting strenght is relevant in a match, it is not.
protip:destroying a planet takes far more energy than it would take to lift it.
Because "lifting strength" is what a lot of Supes's bigger feats amount to?
I jest, but even real life has a distinct difference between lifting and actual punching or kicking strength.
lifting strength helps in grappling (basically restricting your opponent) better than striking strength and striking strength helps better with punches/kicks. if you have striking strength of a certain level (able to destroy a planet with one of your punches) your lifting strength shouldn't be too far behind though. There's some weird outliers in Dragonball that have to do with lifting strength but I'd just ignore them tbh rather than stupidly say base Goku'd only be able to grapple into submission an opponent who doesn't lift more than 40 tons or 1000 tons.
Lifting Strength is what allowed Freeza to rip Nail's arm off clean off his socket.
And what allowed Gregor Clegane to crush Oberyn's head in the Game of Thrones
Striking Strength is what allowed Gregor to destroy his face in the Book.
>still arguing about strength differing between striking and lifting
Tis tradition for Dragon Ball
In an all out fight, it doesn't really matter to guys who can blow up the world with raw energy, but the massiveness of the suits is just too ridiculous to be ignored, imo.
Unless I'm off my rocker, lifting is useful against gravity effects.
Are dragon ball fans really handwaving lifting Strength again?
The more things change...
Decent leg work; I didn't even realize Beerus' Temple was even that big. The training clothes they were wearing are considerably heavier than originally realized. Goku and Vegeta have come a long way.
Beerus' planet makes no sense. Then again, DB doesn't make much sense, especially its cosmology.
Crazy how Whis just "I Dream of Jeanies" a couple of suits weighing far more than a planet. What can't he make and how is Daishinkan suppose to be stronger?
An outdated one.
I would assume that he's essentially a better version of Whis and Vados. I'm still curious as to who Zarama is and what he can do, besides make exceptionally overpowered Dragon Balls. Then again, if you can make that, you really don't need anything else. There's still a lot to explore.
Lifting strength? Like Trunks holding off Frieza's death ball one handed that's able to bore through and reach the core of a planet?
Very pleased to see how my question has blown up. I only asked this because I just figured it would be nice to see how much they weighed because I was arguing with someone on YouTube still citing SA's bad numbers on how Goku could only lift 160,000 tons, lol.
As a personal aside, would anyone else like to see Goku form a ki shield and go flying out to Pluto in a second? Maybe that would finally convince people that is faster than light. Also, Toei, Toriyama, Toyotaro, if you guys really are lurking this forum, please make it happen!
Anyone who seriously cites SA when they jumped the gun months before Super aired is frankly an idiot. The fact they used New 52 Superman against the newly powered SSB Goku instead of Pre-Crisis Supes isn't exactly trustworthy. There's other bits of derp like Tifa vs Yang but since this is a DB feats thread, the GVS2 fight is more than enough to sink their credibility.
There's been a lot of FTL feats in Super thus far. Anyone who denies it is quite frankly not very bright or paying much attention to the series at large. Even the Toei anime and movies had FTL feats.
okay cleaned up the last few pages.
Don't derail this into Saint Seiya again.
Just bann this cain1234 person .
Yep anime DBZ is more stronger than manga version . I mean there relativistic feat in Saiyan Saga , FTL speed in Frieza Saga and King Vegeta destroy multiple planet with hand wave , also Kid Buu destroy Galaxy what make him around Solar level or Multi Solar System .
So question since Supes uses scenes from the original DBZ anime for flashbacks. Do we consider that one as canon or do you guys considered Dragon Ball Kai to be canon to super.
Cause the original anime is where the most impressive feats are.
Not that the lifting feat matters in any practical way, but I find the notion of Goku and Vegeta essentially wearing block holes amusing, so I'd be all for calcing it proper.
Canon for Dragon Ball is the original manga and the Super anime. Neither the original anime or Kai is canon to Super.
Original Anime is definitely canon to Super it even references filler elements from the DBZ anime.
Also who do we give a greater power of canonicity.
Shueisha Decision-making or Akira.
Paraphrased to the question.
Does the creator or does the owner have absolute authority over canonicity.
Cause the way the franchise is heading it looks like franchise owner plan to do a lot of stuff.
Off the top of my head? The existence of Gregory, for one
Ginyu, switching bodies with Bulma is even mentioned.
Right why isnt the anime considered canon?Many scenes have been referenced with some not existing in the manga.
If the DBZ anime is canon to Súper, it'd have some unfortunate implications to the canocity(?) of Super itself.
Pretty sure the anime is canon to Super, or at the very least, some filler events have been retconned in. This is clearly established in Super.
I would assume, based on evidence, the filler events added in Kai were important enough to also be included in Super. Whatever happens in Kai happened in Super.
Nope more than likely manga and anime would be the same.
Gregory is in Kai because it was too expensive/dificult to remove him from every chapter and was kept in Super for a matter of consistency with Kai, remember the japanese don't seem to be so strict with canonicity and that this is a show aimed at kids that might have only seen the remastered anime. Because they are like 12 years old or younger.
Same reason there's a Super version of BoG and FnF, is Toei being cheap and lazy.
Only the filler scenes from Kai placed in Super should be canon
That was Toriyama's initial design of the temple IIRC. Toei changes it to the one we are all familiar with
I mean, that would be picking and choosing
The way I see it, the Super anime is the primary canon with the manga being supplementary material. I mean, it's the anime everyone is hyped for.
Level of hype does not canon decide. Lol.
That's totally illogical tho.By this logic the whole show would need to be referenced.Since they put that they dont consider it non canon.
Besides Gregory and Ginyu taking Bulma's body; what other continuity-breaking filler has Kai adopted?
Now, what filler has Super adopted that wasn't also in Kai?
That's why I said should, not would
Didnt quite catch that.
I know God Movement wasn't interested, but could someone else possibly calc the size of one of the Super Dragon Balls assuming that they are made out of marble without a hollowed-out core?
Not even possible, we have no idea what they are made out of. Goku and Vegeta's Whis Trainers are akin to wearing black holes, using that example, to assume that the SDBs are made of anything Earthly would be erroneous, at best. All we can say for sure is that they're 3X larger than Earth and a Googleplexian amount more durable.
Not really at the end of the day. The owners of the franchise decides what is canon or not.
Shueisha is the real owner of DB franchise. Not even Toriyama, even if Tori passed away they can just allow another author to take over.
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