Discussion in 'Meta-Battledome' started by Reznor, Dec 16, 2015.
You know America is like
Not a country right ?
Because fun fact!it isnt.
True american languages do exist btw
But they come from several branches of native languages that are all but dead nowadays.
But yeah, mexican language is fucking silly
Multiversal range for time paradoxs is a given
It doesn't really matter what you or others think about me. I don't come to a topic fishing for votes on the next election year.
Well, look at the bright side, at least we all agree on the time-hax thingy.
fun-fact Hit now has multiversal time-skipping
You're a funny guy. Next you'll tell me 'Murica isn't a country, either.
you have no idea
How did we started talking about Mexico and America
Take that topic to the Cafe or something
Now that we have established the timefuckery is multiversal.
I would like to point out that Beerus.
has a 'creation feat' with his Hakai.
As stated his Hikai has enough power to recreate and entire timeline. Complete with a xeno in the from of the Black Timeline 5.
So lol the God of Destruction.
Has a Multiversal level creation feat. Where he creates a timeline with its own xeno and all 12 universes.
Like it or not Beerus made multiversal level mass and energy literally appear into a point in space/time.
But his Destructive Capacity and showing has been only Universal+
All of it by a casual display.
Truely a GoD indeed
And as of now it is easier to create more multiverse than it is to destroy it.
Edit: can you ppl pls stop derailing the topic.
the USA is a country, North America is not
No one agreed on Multiversal DB Time yet ya know
Why tho I don't see any thing wrong with it and most of what we see, Time shenanigans have multiversal consequences.
it is pretty clear that the range of effect is multiversal
this has fuck all to do with dc mind you
it is like the most obvious usage of chain reaction ever lol
that's like saying trunks time machine has multiverse level mass energy(which doesnt even exist)
Whis' time rewind is most likely universal. It affected the U10 Kaioshin Realm while they were in the material universe of U10
but isn't hax potency defined by range though?
it's not like you can pin an energy yield and say it's enough to kill spirits and erase them from existence, so obviously the only guess at its potency is the range it has which would make it more powerful than an attack that's limited to a single universe.
I wont go so far as to call Beerus a legit multiverse creator, but they do have multiverse level time resistance, well those who can bypass time hax in the 1st place. Especially Beerus, who can negate multiverse creation with the Hakai under normal circumstances.
The very nature of time in DB makes the time hax powerful by default, due to the extra effects it carries.
On a side note, can Whis time travel without a Time Ring?
potency and range are 2 different things unless on specific situations
but this hax is clearly attained through a chain reaction,tho
again much weaker events can create multiverses
But creating a Multiverse is Hax ist not a feat of power. Beerus literally created mass out of nothing in space/time.
The only other ways
To make a universe is the conventional method of High Energy explosion+billions of years.
Or Just poof Universal level mass like Franklin Richard or Eternity.
Neither of those yeild enough Hax to make a multiverse.
Beerus created a whole timeline with his power. And so has Whiss in the end of Zamasu arks.
And not just any small mass mass equal to an Omniverse.
And that is also aplot point. Future Mai and Trunks are living in a timeline 1 replica that Whiss created.
Also how do you known a time machine does not produced multiversal energy.
Do you known the energy needed to go back in time? Its a side effect of Hax so you don't need massive energy levels.
This is similar to Cosmic being in fiction destroying and creating multiverses by clashing fists. Eg: Primus and Ultron
If things like Hades universes is accepted as a creation/destruction feat than so should Beerus creating a timeline. With the destructive power/hax of Hakai.
Beerus didnt create shit. the timeline split because he killed Zamasu, Trunk's time machine and Cell are not multiversal
Whis outright stated that Beerus created the Black timeline with Hakai. Even Beerus said Hakai has The abilitie to effect space and time.
Whis did the same thing in the end for Trunks to live. He created a parrel timetine where Black was sealed instantly after coming to timeline 1. Making another time ring and line.
Trunks and Cell are not multiversal. The time machine is, because lolscience in fiction.
The timeline were Zamasu became Black already existed and was made stable by the time ring. Beerus killing Zamasu created an alternate timeline because of that. He didn't create a timeline with his own power. It was a side effect.
And what the fuck? The time machine isn't multiversal. Face it, dude. Creating a new timeline as a side effect of altering past events=/=creation feat.
Dude I agree with you it isn't a destructive feat but a Creation feat born from Space/time fuckery.
I know it isnt destructive I never said it was a destruction feat
I was talking more about the fact the technique was supposed to get Black who at was in an alternate timeline, in the future and in a different universe, which would require ridiculous range, but it's also possible it was just causality doing its thing.
but also would imply Black resisted the effects of causality that works across the multiverse which is an impressive feat of causality resistance
Thats actually a good feat yeah
Black only resisted because of the time ring, nothing himself. The feat would be for the time ring, it might be safe the ring gives you resistance to causality.
The resistance is for the timering, but it's standard equipment for black.
I'd imagine the time ring is likely to be standard equipment, so it's worth knowing it's feats.
True enough but saying things like "but also would imply Black resisted the effects of causality that works across the multiverse which is an impressive feat of causality resistance" betrays your intent.
No, he didn't
The only reason a timeline was created by Bills' Hakai was the circumstance ("a god killing another god will fuck up time-space")
The very fact Trunks save de Goku did obviously create a new timeline,tho
Ya, in the Trunks timeline Goku did kill Frieza and king cold most likely came to earth with IT.
So really not much difference. And also in the same time stream so no extra alternative timeline was formed.
Another topic of discussion.
Are each of the universe in Dragon Ball a collection of multiple sub universes. If so will the universe be classified as a Universe or a Multiverse cluster.
Cause a single universe 7 consists of multiple sub universes in them.
Cause in Marvel and DC universe and multiverse accordingly mean the same thing.
In fact most of fictional writers classify universe,multiverse, Megaverse and Omniverse the as the same thing.
Like a saying.
Infite set of infinity exist at an infinite rate.
Does this make any sense.
Do we assume.
1/0 is greater or lesser than 2/0 or is (10^100^1000^100,000)/0 greater than both.
Or do we considered them all equal.
Cause infinity is an interesting concept to discuss.
It's actually the reverse. GoDs can kill and forcibly alter the current timeline. That however, didn't happen because of the Time Ring.
Trunks admits to changing history with that incident, thus a world exists where that particular history was never changed.
Yeup IT is very broken. : lmao
If you properly deconstructed the technique you could make alot of different abilities.
But zamasu and his immortality tanked that shit.
[quoteE="Perpetrator Rex, post: 56447448, member: 255495"]It's actually the reverse. GoDs can kill and forcibly alter the current timeline. That however, didn't happen because of the Time Ring.
Trunks admits to changing history with that incident, thus a world exists where that particular history was never changed.[/QUOTE]
Which would be trunks world duh
The world where trunks kills Cold is the same in which he saves goku, both events are linked
DB timelines stuff didn't make complete sense even in the original manga.
It even seemed that sometimes more than one would be created from a single change, up to the rings I was pretty sure there was a few timelines that weren't seen or even mentioned.
Like the one where Future Trunks didn't go back in time to assist Goku and Co against the Androids after giving the initial warning?
For whatever reason, it seems that Future Trunks became intrinsically tied to the main time-line when he went back in time, since that is always the timeline which the Time Machine goes back to, regardless of how much time has passed.
Im going from memory because phone but:
_Trunks future is the original world, back to past get remote, back to future kill Androids, prepares to go back to past but Cell steals the time machine, gets back even furter.
_Another past, the main timeline, Trunks gets here from the original world but things go differently, he doesn't go back so now there's four timelines? Main present, unseen present, original world and the future seen at the end of Cell saga. There's two timelines created as a result of one travel.
_You could say that the 2nd future was created by Trunks going back at the end after the Cell game but travels from the past shouldn't create new timelines, I guess? If they do then there's one for every time someone traveled from the past to the future.
_Also the first Trunks we see shouldn't be from the original world in the first place because that one shouldn't even reach the main timeline since that time machine is fixed to the present where he gets the remote, the unseen one. Then a future is created because the new present is destined to be interfered? O is it created when Trunks didn't got back with the remote after his time machine somehow jumped timelines to the new one?
_Cell from main timeline, supposedly from original world, says that they gatered cells from Freeza and his father, and they could have added Trunks cells but they had enough Saiyan cells, so either theres yet another future, Cell is refering exclusivelly to the main timeline and not to his own or Toriyama made a mistake.
In Trunk's world, Goku kills Freeza and KC.
In Goku's world, Trunks kills them.
Remember, Goku uses the IT to come down and kill them, originally. In Trunks' world, he wasn't even born yet. Freeza and KC came down a year or few before Trunks even existed.
Yeah so ?
Those are 2 events of 2 different worlds
Not 3 different timelines
A little octopus who isn't even SSJ lvl just pulled out a FTL feat
Yup, you're right. The new timeline Trunks created with that is the current DB main timeline.
Yes, it was an alien that Jaco captured and managed to fly from an unknown planet to earth in no more than a couple of hours
But couldn't you argue that his speed is greater than SSJ level even if not DC/Durability?
Maybe I do agree that it's a little weird
Meh some parasite alien showing FTL speed has really no correlation to anyone Pre-Super showing FTL speed.
It would be hilarious if the alien tried to get away and Krillin catches it with his speed
Muh FTL Krillin
I'm down with FTL Krillin
FTL Krillin means FTL Tien Piccolo Androids Cell
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