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Dr. Manhattan vs Captain Atom

Discussion in 'Comics Battledome' started by jot_hacker, Jun 24, 2010.

  1. jot_hacker The Laughing Man

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    Both of them are in New York City, Time square.
    1.Why are they fighting?
    2.How whould the fight go down?
    3.Who would win?
     
  2. God Is extremely merciful for the right price

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    Captain Atom, I'm 99% sure of this. Captain Atom would just use the Quantum Field.
     
  3. jot_hacker The Laughing Man

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    Why are they fighting?
     
  4. God Is extremely merciful for the right price

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    Atom got pissed because Manhattan flashed him.
     
  5. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Dr. Manhattan atomizes captain atom with a wave of his hand.

    Dr. Manhattan controls particles on a sub-atomic level, meaning he can create matter out of nothing or evaporate pretty much anyone who stands in his way.
    Captain Atom just controls and absorbs energy, which Dr. Manhattan can virtually "destroy", or at least rearrange into something useless, like a metal.
     
  6. Cooler Active Member

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    Technically that would be making something out of very little :laugh.
     
  7. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Hyuck.

    Either way, he still creates stuff out of thin air by manipulating sub-atomic particles, like when he created that gigantic crystal palace on Mars.
     
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    Captain Atom can just use the Quantum Field on him like he did to Nekron.
     
  9. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Elaborate, please.

    The Quantum Field is the source of his power, his power is to absorb and manipulate energies.

    Energy, as well as everything else, is made out of sub-atomic particles, which Dr. Manhattan controls.

    Dr. Manhattans powers thus cancels out Captain Atom's powers.
     
  10. Stilzkin Active Member

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    I don't know about Captain Atom but if his power is control of energies he should win.

    Isn't matter energy not energy matter? The more basic thing is energy
     
  11. Kittan THIS FORUM HAS GONE TO SHIT

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    Dr. Manhattan was based off CA iirc.

    Anyway, CA wins. He's just simply better.
     
  12. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    In physics, energy is a quantity that can be assigned to every particle, object, and system of objects as a consequence of the state of that particle, object or system of objects. Different forms of energy include kinetic, potential, thermal, gravitational, sound, elastic, light, and electromagnetic energy.

    Captain Atom's body isn't made of pure energy, hence he can be destroyed by someone who controls sub-atomic particles, just like any other thing seen destroyed by Dr. Manhattan. He could get destroyed if he was pure energy as well, Dr.M would just disperse the particles making up the energies.
     
  13. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Yeah, he's "better" alright, since he can manipulate and control energies, while Dr. Manhattan controls sub-atomic particles, ergo he can create matter out of this air as well as make the particle disperse, ergo evaporating things.

    What exactly is CA going to do?
    Blast Dr. M to bits? We all remember what happened wen Ozymandias tried.
    If CA would be able to blast Dr. M, he would just reconfigure himself and evaporate CA.
     
  14. Emperor Joker The Clown Prince Advisor

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    Couldn't Atom just absorb Manhattan and beat him that way?
     
  15. God Is extremely merciful for the right price

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    No they dont. Dr Manhattan has never overpowered a possible universal/multiversal force. Captain Atom has beaten Nekron, an abstract being and confirmed > the Endless by Johns.
     
  16. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    So just because he hasn't done it, means he couldn't do it, despite his powers being proved to be superior to CA since he could destroy CA the same way he destroys anything?

    Fail.
     
  17. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Well, even if he could absorb him, even though he isn't made out of pure energy, he would still be able to recreate himself like he did in the comic/movie when he was "destroyed". It's well within his powers to maintain his consciousness even when atomized.

    He does control sub-atomic particles after all, so he can reform himself as well as evaporate any incoming attack.
     
  18. God Is extremely merciful for the right price

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    Yes, exactly.

    What circular reasoning. His powers were never PROVEN to be above CA, you're just speculating that they are, even though CA has gone toe-to-toe with people like Mr. Majestic.

    Look who's talking :amuse
     
  19. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Yeah, since you're having an extremely hard time understanding the fact that Dr. Manhattan controls sub-atomic particles, ergo the particles that 1: Make up the energies CA uses, such as photon, or nuclear energies (You know, the ones attained by splitting ATOMS?) and 2: make up CA's body.

    He wouldn't be able to do shit against Dr. M, while Dr. M has little problems with evaporating him by making his atoms disperse. Can CA effortlessly regenerate from an atomized state? Could he regenerate from having his molecules turned into carbon or some other material?
    Can he counter the fact that Dr. M could turn his energies as well a his insides into lead?

    Even if CA could fire an energy blast which would destroy Dr. M, by reversing the process using the same energies Dr. M has, he would be able to reform himself and can retain his consciousness on a molecular level, as evident by the comic.

    You haven't got shit, the only BS you've got is stating some retarded crap about CA being able to beat this or that person, which hasn't got a fucking thing to do with this discussion.
    Do they have the exact same powers as Dr. M?
    No, which makes your claim completely irrelevant.

    You're just a CA wanker unable to come up with any explanation for how CA could counter someone who would control the atoms making up him as well as his energies.

    CA controls energies, Dr. M controls energies AND matter.
    Add the omniscience to that equation, and the stomp is obvious.

    GTFO and take your fail with you, it's obvious you haven't got the slightest clue about what Dr. M can do.
     
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    Um yeah no, all I see is you spamming the same bullshit arguments you've done since the beginning. You're the one who has no clue of CA, and wanking off to the few things we know of Manhattan. But no worries, I'm here to educate you :amuse

    - He can travel at FTL speeds. When did Manhattan show this level of speed? If so, what stops him from getting speedblitzed.

    - CA's energy manipulation extends far beyond a normal range. He's taken away the powers of other foes such as Ray and Firestorm. He'd do the same to Manhattan.

    - He's shown atomic transmutation as well, so there goes your claims of ONLY ENERGY LAWLLZZ

    - He can time travel.

    - He has shown the power to end and recreate the universe with the Quantum Field, and various other times such as when he was Void and when he was Monarch.

    Your claims are mainly constructed of repeated no-limits fallacy, even though Manhattan doesn't come anywhere above mid, possibly high-Herald level. Are you telling me he could beat MM or Sentry at matter manipulation? Ok then.

    CA also has shown the ability turn energy into matter and atomic control, turning a nanotech being into a human and other times as well. So what makes you jump on his dick so quick in this match? Other than speculated power?

    Dr Manhattan can survive universal destruction, yeah.
     
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  21. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Manhattan can teleport and has omniscience, giving him reaction time FTL.
    Teleportation > FTL.

    Retarded BS, CA takes away powers from this and that person.
    How about you bring some proof of him removing the powers of someone on Manhattans level? Does he remove the powers of every foe he ever fights? If not, why?

    Atomic Transmutation, derr. You mean nuclear reactions.
    Made of particles, Manhattan controls particles.

    Time Travel?
    Counts as leaving the battlefied.

    Void? Monarch?
    Don't bring in other over-powered versions of CA because you're desperate to wank him.
    This is a fight between Manhattan and CA, not with Monarch.

    Can the Sentry recreate himself from atoms?
    Nope. Guess who has the better control over matter?

    Dr. Manhattan can create life from nothing.
    That trumps creating life from another life-form

    It is generally accepted that Dr. Manhattan is immensely powerful and seemingly invulnerable to all harm; a clear limit to his powers is never explicitly shown. Jon has complete awareness of and control over atomic and subatomic particles. He can alter his body's size, coloration, density, and strength. He does not appear to age, need food (although he is shown to eat regardless of this), water, or air, and is, for all intents and purposes, immortal at thirty years old. In addition, he is even able to reconstruct his body if completely disintegrated. He can teleport himself and others over great (even interplanetary) distances, but the exact limit to the number of people other than himself he can teleport at one time or the distance he can teleport them is unknown. As an example of his teleportational ability, he dealt with a crowd of protesters by teleporting every single one of them back to their individual homes simultaneously.
    In addition to these powers, Jon is able to phase any part of his body through solid objects without damaging them, produce multiple copies of himself which function independently of each other, project destructive energy, generate force fields transmute chemical elements, move objects without physically touching them (telekinesis), reverse entropy, and, he suggests, create life and walk on the surface of the sun.

    He would stomp CA and pretty much anyone else of the same level.
     
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    Teleportation is an ability that allows you to jump to other locations. It is not speed, and it depends on reactions. If you dont have the speed to react to someone, you wont be able to teleport before getting raped. Lol teleportation > FTL.

    :facepalm

    Yeah because I'm not going to bring up him using his abilities in other instances, right? Firestorm >>>>>>> Manhattan, and if you dont know who he is X

    No you idiot, I mean atomic transmutation.

    No it doesnt. He simply moves ahead in time, doesn't leave the field at all.

    Lol I'm the wanker, sure. Like I said, he's ended and restarted the universe with the Quantum Field as well as defeating an abstract entity with it. And this is not just an outlier feat because he's done it on other occasions, which was my point in bringing up Void and Monarch.

    Wow, you really dont know shit do you?

    X
    X
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    After being atomized by MM himself :apathy

    What's your point? Mine was to show matter manipulation, which he's done.

    X Now show him doing something on Captain Atom's level, or admit you have nothing except exaggerating Jon's powers through no-limits fallacy. Powers that we have no feats for a good majority of mind you. Show him doing something above high-Herald level please.

    You know nothing on this subject at all. Shut up already.
     
  23. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Lol, failing dumbass.

    Ignoring Manhattans omniscience as well as his ability to teleport others, great.
    Guess who'd get to the other side of the universe first? Somebody travelling at light-speeds or somebody teleporting there?
    Time travel is leaving the battlefield not matter how you twist it around.

    Also, the minute you started with your BS that Manhattan can't do this or that and you need proof of him beating high level characters you automatically failed, since you should know there are no other super powered beings in the watchmen universe. His feats and limitless potential is beyond most things featured in both DC and Marvel, this is fact.

    There is a reason why Manhattan's powers is ranked at 125 and CA is at 2500 over at Comicvine.

    Everybody knows who the stronger one is.
    CA doesn't have shit on Manhattan.
     
  24. Darth Nihilus Super Saiyan Black

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    lol Comicvine

    Appeal to authority fallacy.
     
  25. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    I'm actually too drunk to write any in-depth explanations.
    Manhattans powers is clearly beyond CA's powers, that's enough.
     
  26. Emperor Joker The Clown Prince Advisor

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    That's not good enough, Manhattan has not shown power beyond what Atom has put out, his showings are also far less impressive that Captain Atom's
     
  27. God Is extremely merciful for the right price

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    Wow, I'm just gonna rip every one of your claims apart from now on. Try to keep up.

    When did I ignore his teleportation. I just proved why it wont matter, since it's reaction speed that's needed for teleportation. IF YOU CANT FUCKING REACT TO SOMEONE FTL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELEPORT AWAY FROM SOMEONE WHO IS.

    I dont recall this being a race.

    No it isn't. All he is is jumping ahead or backwards in time, never leaving the field Try again :33

    Um yeah, that's a no limits fallacy. You need proof of his "limitless" potential being oh-so limitless. If not, you have no idea where it ends, so prove he can beat people above herald level. Surfer would beat him, Sentry would beat him, and Captain Atom would definitely beat him.

    He's strong, but cant fucking survive the destruction of a universe.

    Just shut up, faggot. It's clear you know nothing about comics.

    Die.
     
  28. masamune1 Crouching Tiger

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    Manhattan is not omniscient. If he were, Veidt's plan would'nt have even got off the ground.
     
  29. Emperor Joker The Clown Prince Advisor

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    he doesn't even use his precog properly which is what i'm guessing Afterflow was conufsing it with. his precog is a rather usless power, when he refuses to ever act on it
     
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    He stated that he's bound by fate. His precog is what we call 'absolute' precognition or clairvoyance. What he sees will happen no matter what and he cant change it, so if he sees himself losing, it's gonna happen.
     
  31. masamune1 Crouching Tiger

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    He has the power to see his own past, present and future (which since he's probably immortal is probably quite vast) but he can't control it properly and has trouble distinguishing one from the other, which is one reason he can still be surprised.

    But that's a far cry from omniscience, even if he did master and use it effectively. I think Afterglow thinks Manhattan can see all of time, which he clearly can't since there is clearly a bunch of things he does'nt know, and the only times he ever references the future is when it is his own. Not that that is really omniscience anyway.

    He says that, but it's implied that he can change fate but does'nt, because he's not interested. It's less that he's bound by fate that that he has surrendered to it. That, at least, is what the Comedian believes, and it's not clear at all that he's wrong.
     
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    Well, even if his precog works that way, he's still using a no-limits fallacy.
     
  33. Devil Kings Might Controls Everything.

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    Didnt CA created than re-asorbed his own solar system, or universe. Not so sure about that feat, cause it's been a while.
     
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    I believe it was a universe. And yeah, that feat was excellent because he did it all subconsciously.
     
  35. AfterGlow Agent Orange

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    Due to the insane amountsd of alcohol, I'll aknowledge Cubey's points, even though some of them were clearly wank as well as retardation (derr, leaving the battlefield through time travel isn't leaving the battlefield). Well debated.
    :clap
     
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