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Byakuya vs. Soifon

Discussion in 'Bleach Battledome' started by Zaelapolopollo, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Zaelapolopollo Master of the Fates of Arda

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    Scenario 1:

    Both start at base levels

    Scenario 2:

    Byakuya starts at Bankai, Soifon at Shikai.

    I just don't think Soifon's Bankai would ad much here...it would hinder her if anything. If you disagree, you may alter Scenario 2 so it's Bankai vs. Bankai.
     
  2. Waking Dreamer Dreamer King

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    Byakuya takes both at most with moderate difficulty imo.
     
  3. Sajin God Tier

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    Soi Fon probably beats him with Shunko in the first scenario but the second is nearly rape in Byakuya's favour.
    I don't think her bankai will help a whole lot, but at least she will be able to injure Byakuya so I guess it's moderate difficulty. How she is going to set up is what I have no idea of, though, since OP didn't specify the distance etc.
     
  4. Waking Dreamer Dreamer King

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    Idk. Soifons Shunko was way inferior to Yoruichi's who on the bridge stated at her current state (the one that Soifon still couldnt beat) couldn't defeat Byakuya...
     
  5. Aggressor .

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    Her base body alone is more superior than Byakuya, she has more speed and physical strength and I doubt Byakuya could handle her with shunko activated.
     
  6. PandaBot Kamishini no Yari

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    well byakuya is one of the strongest captains, when soifon is quite weak compared to some of the other captains. byakuya would win the 1st scenario mid-hig difficulty and 2nd scenario with mid- difficulty.
     
  7. Waking Dreamer Dreamer King

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    Fair enough...but they only start in base form. With both at base I doubt Soifon can speed blitz Byakuya, and if she does go Shunko, Byakuya can always go bankai. Though not sure if OP wants them to stay in base for scenario 1 (does shunko equal base?).
     
  8. Aggressor .

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    No he isn't, he was deafeted by SS Ichigo? Furthermore how is he better in base than Soi Fon? Soi Fon has better speed and strength and has far more maneuvers than Byakuya. Byakuya's swordmanship skills and hand-to-hand skills are not very good and I don't see him being able to land a major blow on Soi Fon.

    Even without Shunko she has far more better skills in base than Byakuya and Shunko is allowed, base simply means they cannot release.
     
  9. Sajin Komamura Death Dog

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    Bankai Byakuya can take out SoFail SoiFon in any scenario you can possibly think of even with shunkou. I will however say that I believe she gets a sufficient enough boost with shunkou to defeat Shikai Byakuya, but thats about it.

    Her Bankai hinders her chances of winning IMO.
     
  10. PandaBot Kamishini no Yari

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    Soifon's Battle Data. Offense (80), Defense (60), Mobility (100), Kidō/Reiatsu (60), Intelligence (60), Physical Strength (100). Total: 460/600.

    Byakuya's Battle Data. Offense (90), Defense (80), Mobility (90), Kidō/Reiatsu (90), Intelligence (90), Physical Strength (70). Total: 510/600

    and well obviously byakuya will loose to ichigo... zaraki lost to ichigo too and soifon would have lost too. byakuya is just all around a better fighter than soifon. and ichigo would have lost to byakuya if he didn't have the hollow transformation which he uses to win most fights.
     
  11. Aggressor .

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    You have yet to answer my question, how is Byakuya better in base than Soi Fon and take note that databook stats are not approprriate when comparing base statistics. Additionally the databook statistics are not very accurate, Kenpachi has the lowest entry yet he should be capable of beating people like Mayuri(w/o prep).
     
  12. HargHarg Member

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    Soifon wins the first scenario with mid diff, but loses the second one.
     
  13. PandaBot Kamishini no Yari

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    well it says both START at base... but anyways. byakuya has shown great skill using kido, he is among the fastest kido users in bleach. he is also capeable of using high level hado and bakudo without incantations, this gives him a huge advantage, soifon has shown probably 1 bakudo which was Bakudo # 30 Shitotsu Sansen and she did it slower than byakuya when he used Bakudo #61. Rikujokoro and note the 31level difference in the 2 kido spells...
     
  14. Sajin God Tier

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    Yeah but Byakuya also had bankai and Yoruichi seemed to leave her sword behind.
    If her shunko can't even make her beat base Byakuya then I can only facepalm at its power.
     
  15. Juri Active Member

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    Aren't they only good for comparing base statistics because abilities are not taken into account?
     
  16. Ava The Young Dragon

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    ur just beggin' for a neggin' :giogio
     
  17. Sajin Komamura Death Dog

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    Sowy... I couldn't help it. :ano
     
  18. Excalibur Cana? Where are you!

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    Byakuya wins both scenario's with mid difficulty. Captain vs Captain are not easy fights, except for Yamamoto and Aizen. Byakuya can put together some kido with his shikai and pull the victory out although with trouble. The second scenario belongs to Byakuya with very little trouble I see.
     
  19. Ava The Young Dragon

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    You best be trolling boy :giogio
     
  20. Rene Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda

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    Yoruichi completely blitzed Byakuya on the bridge back then. Soi Fon is equal/faster than that Yoruichi.

    Soi Fon wins both scenarios through blitzing. Byakuya might be able to pull out a win in a Bankai vs Shikai fight though since the numbers of his Bankai could overwhelm, but it's not likely. In a straight up fight her Bankai is useless since if she tries to fire it from afar Byakuya could raise some petals on the way to him to cause the missile to detonate on collision before the missile even reached him.

    Soi Fon wins all scenarios put forth and would only lose Bankai vs Bankai
     
  21. Sajin God Tier

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    This is just plain wrong.
     
  22. Hamaru Semi-Active

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    I like Byakuya more than Soifon but he is not going to win this fight. Byakuya's main advantages are speed and Kido. It is highly hinted that Soifon is faster than Byakuya is so his real advantage would only be Kido in this fight.

    With that being said, his favored spell is his binding kido that only works on one target. We know now that Soifon can make a crap load of clones and then charge using her shikai. With her knowing how Byakuya is, I doubt she would go head on against him without a clone.
     
  23. Juri Active Member

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    Clone blitzing Byakuya is not as easy as you think. Zommari tried it and failed. His clones were tangible unlike soifon's which disappear when you catch the real her. Byakuya can just use Utsusemi to get out of hits.
     
  24. Rene Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda

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    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/117/17/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/117/18/

    If you want to bring up the tag later on. Yoruichi completely led him on the entire time, not just that but she did it while carrying Ichigo with her (although that shouldn't mean much weight wise, it's still an inconvenience due to his size). Also Ichigo who reacted to Byakuya's Shunpo earlier and stated he could see every step was casually blitzed by Yoruichi when she input the drug into him.

    Soi Fon is slightly higher than Yoruichi in the speed department at base.
     
  25. Sajin God Tier

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    Yeah, um, she did that while Byakuya wasn't looking... Likewise I can also say Hisagi blitzed Tousen.

    As for the carrying Ichigo part, yes she proved she's faster but that wasn't a blitz at all. The difference is pretty large you know.
     
  26. Rene Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda

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    She proved she was a lot faster. If she wanted to attack at the time, she could've hit Byakuya before he could defend. The point is that she was focusing on escaping.

    To further support that point, Byakuya never even noticed her replacement technique. He wouldn't do anything against an attack from Yoruichi or Soi Fon.

    Soi Fon is faster than base Yoruichi.

    In the base vs base fight he's screwed anyways since if he tries to take his time to release he gets beat on and if he tries to go toe to toe with Soi Fon, he'll get beat on as well.

    Shikai vs Shikai would be the same except Soi Fon can easily use her two shot kill now. Byakuya doesn't have a lot of petals to form a decent defense in shikai so he'll get done in by the speed advantage again. Bankai it can go 50/50 since he has a lot more petals now, but I still say that Soi Fon takes it unless you want to argue that Yoruichi/Soi Fon are slower than Bankai Ichigo in SS arc.
     
  27. Sajin God Tier

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    How do you know that? He escaped from Zommari similarly, for one thing. Besides, Yoruichi herself admitted she wouldn't be able to beat him at the time.

    Yoruichi/Soi Fon are slower than bankai Ichigo in SS arc IMO, yes.
    Besides, even if they weren't, what good would that do? Soi's shikai isn't fit for doing what Ichigo did to Senbonzakura.
     
  28. Rene Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda

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    That was a Yoruichi who had just returned to a human body after several years and she still outpaced Byakuya. Irregardless of whether or not she could beat Byakuya at the time on panel feats show that she was not only faster than Byakuya but could also move faster than Byakuya could react as she was always literally one step ahead of him.

    Speedwise: Ichigo >= Byakuya < base Yoruichi < Soi Fon

    Ichigo was a lot closer to Byakuya in speed than you're assuming.

    Yoruichi and Soi Fon do have the ability to deal with Senbonzakura swarms, through Shunkou. Even Soi Fon's incomplete Shunkou should protect her enough to swat away a Senbonzakura swarm. Also, she only has to deflect the globe swarm. She can deal with individual blasts through dodging. After she moves into close quarters combat Byakuya can no longer use globe swarm in any case, and Hand to Hand he's not going to beat either of the two.
     
  29. Sajin God Tier

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    Setting the speed comparison aside (I'm lazy, believe it or not), Soi Fon's shunko sucks. She went from beating Yoruichi to being raped by her once they both used it, so she is nowhere near her level. Which makes me question the possibility of her breaking the Senbonzakura defense, to say the least, especially since Shunko needs some preparation.

    I'm not sure what the globe you're talking about is. Gokei? It's needed, neither would it probably work in the first place. But the outcome is the same, Soi Fon's shikai ability is completely useless and her shunko can't be compared to Byakuya's bankai.
     
  30. hmph Serious about fiction

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    A speedblitz argument. Why I am not surprised. Every thread with Soifon there seems to be one. "Oh Soifon speedblitzs Byakuya, oh Soifon speedblitzs Kenpachi, oh Soifon speedblitzs Nnoitra, oh Soifon speedblitzs Halibel, oh Soifon speedblitzs Grimmjow, oh Soifon speedblitzs Yamamoto because Omaeda said she's the fastest captain."

    No. Yoruichi used a trick and fooled Byakuya. By the same logic that tricks are speedblitzs, Zommari blitzed Byakuya and Byakuya blitzed Zommari at the same time.

    Anyways, not so sure on the shikai battle, Soifon's shikai is worse in a straight fight than a normal sword and Byakuya has far better ranged attacks in kido/can use hado #4 in cqc. But Soifon is more agile and stronger, and can use shunko to widen the gap a bit more. I'd think Soifon would win purely through stamina advantage.

    I think anyone who thinks Soifon's bankai makes her weaker is definately underestimating it, but Byakuya should survive 2 shots if he shoots it down with kido/bankai and makes a wall with his other petals. He'll probably get hurt, but he should survive. Alternatively, Soifon could try to get as close as possible and activate it at point blank with no barrier for a double kill.
     

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