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Battledome quick question thread - Part 1

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome Archive' started by Tazmo, Apr 1, 2012.

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  1. Toriko Dangalang King Piccolo

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    Like the one he made with the Heralds of wesker.

    Shit was locked while I was trying to post in it.
     
  2. Saint Saga Alpha.

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    No kidding.

    Glad to see they got their priorities straight .
     
  3. Keollyn Cheryl & F5 fanboy Moderator

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    It's something nobody will ever come to understand.
     
  4. willyvereb Migratory Thinker

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    Well, we can't check each and every individual post at once so you can always expect some delay.

    Especially when no one reported that certain post in question.

    Of course I've dealt with it by now.

    Shouko, we'll be seeing you at the Konoha Courts.
     
  5. Toriko Dangalang King Piccolo

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    Okay, with that out of the way, I'd like to ask, how do we handle the size of something that is clearly much larger on the inisde than it is on the outside? Which size would we roll with?
     
  6. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    if it's destroyed, but not erased/vaporised (debris/ruins remain) .. does the debris volume correlate with outside or inside estimations ?
     
  7. Eldritch Sukima Cosmic Horror

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    This is in regards to the Ganon castle feat, right?

    I'd think, especially in an older video game, that if there's no explanation for its TARDIS-esque nature, going with the inside for size might be better. The overworld may be subject to graphical limitations when it comes to size, especially for really large structures.
     
  8. Toriko Dangalang King Piccolo

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    Yeah it's the Ganon's castle feat. Only asking since leveling such a large castle would constiute city block level firepower and durability, which is a lot more than what we've been going with for him.
     
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  9. Eldritch Sukima Cosmic Horror

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    Out of curiosity, how large is the castle on the outside? You might be able to make comparisons to real ones to see if it seems like a reasonable size.
     
  10. Toriko Dangalang King Piccolo

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    I've done a rough scaling and it was about 15m in diameter on the outside.
     
  11. Eldritch Sukima Cosmic Horror

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    Sounds way too small, as IIRC it has an outer wall surrounding it, but I'm no castle expert.
     
  12. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    That's way too small.

    Sounds like the graphical limitations might be the issue here honestly. The pillar Link chucked on the inside of the castle should be about 10 meters tall alone.
     
  13. Fleet Admiral Akainu A.K.A. Frank Grimes

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    How cold is something that can freeze lava in a second?

    Is it possible to set the air on fire from friction of a character flying really fast?

    If a character has amazing resistance to temperatures such as extreme cold or surviving lava, does that add to any other aspects of durability?
     
  14. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    Is there/do we have a calc for Evangelion's positron rifle DC/yield ?
     
  15. Nevermind Evil Nihilist

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  16. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    I was just browsing the wiki, Eva page said something about it being a kiloton nuke or so

    not sure tbh, might need to rewatch that fight to calc DC


    or, alternatively, they took energy from Tokio/Japan (?) .. that should have a rl counter-part in Watts or something, although doubt it's usable since their world changed post SI
     
  17. Eldritch Sukima Cosmic Horror

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    The cannon overpowers Ramiel's mountain melting death ray in Rebuild, so the amount of energy being fed into it likely isn't the power of the blast itself.
     
  18. Francesco. Icon lover

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    X

    What has happened to OBD wiki?
     
  19. Tranquil Fury Thousand Eyes and One

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    It's being fixed, a lot of things got deleted somehow including user membership.
     
  20. Endless Mike Getting too old for this shit

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    Wait, Shouko got so pissed about the Clock Up thing that he broke down and posted porn? :S
     
  21. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    IIRC account was hacked or something
     
  22. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    No clue what that was about honestly.
     
  23. Fang Titan

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    Yeah, also the claim about Kageyama wanting TheBee Zecter for Clock Up was kind of hilarious as well as never addressing why so many of the Clock Up systems on different Riders were different.
     
  24. Endless Mike Getting too old for this shit

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    Personally I find the Hoppers never using Clock Up when they had it to be really stupid, but I've seen worse PIS so I can let it slide (I know it was due to budget but OOU explanations don't count in a vs. thread)
     
  25. Fang Titan

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    Doesn't really matter as its fully justified by the fact that the only Rider introduced in the second half of the series out of three between the Hopper Brothers is Dark Kabuto, and again; he's a palette/recolor of the Kabuto suit. Also the fact that Clock Up is vastly technically and visually underwhelming compared to GSL and many earlier instances in the tv series proper confirms this.

    Even Hyper Clock Up suffered this problem as well.
     
  26. Endless Mike Getting too old for this shit

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    I said I accepted it, no need to try to justify it to me.
     
  27. eaebiakuya Active Member

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    Mukuro cutting ability and Kubara dimensional sword attacks, ignore the durability of the target ???

    Let say they hit Thor. What happen?
     
  28. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    Don't know about whether Thor has this or not, but you need feats of resisting space/time fuckery to tank something that cuts/punches a hole in space/time from how I understand it.

    Mukuro doesn't have dimensional cutting powers though. That's not canon.
     
  29. Geralt of Rivia Banned

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    Can anyone link me the mach 30 snakeway calc for Goku?
     
  30. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    Buried in the metadome from ages ago no doubt.

    So... good luck finding it :lmao
     
  31. Keollyn Cheryl & F5 fanboy Moderator

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    Do the site:narutoforum "keywords here" in Google. Likely to find the thread like that.
     
  32. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    what does transluminal mean ? :maybe .. it's not the same as FTL ?

    is it ~lightspeed ?
     
  33. Toriko Dangalang King Piccolo

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    You want the medical definition or the nerdy one?
     
  34. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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  35. NemeBro I is unicorn

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    So where is the calc of relativistic Blazblue characters posted?

    I still haven't seen it.
     
  36. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    Isn't that from the 1/480,000-th of a second feat ?


    ^ still interested
     
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  37. willyvereb Migratory Thinker

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    Transluminal means the velocity approaching, reaching or exceeding the speed of light.
    So anything barely below lightspeed to barely above lightspeed are under that category.
    It unites relativistic+, lightspeed and barely FTL speed under a single term.

    Kind of like how the transonic does with the speed of sound.
     
  38. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    that's what I thought, thanks for confirmation
     
  39. NemeBro I is unicorn

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    I know what feat is being used, I just have no idea how it makes Terumi and friends relativistic honestly.
     
  40. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    well 1/480,000 is ~0.000002083 sec, that's a pretty impressive reaction time

    if the feat was an attack/motion like ~moving limb(s) (~1m or so distance usually ?) within that time-frame then it's definitely relativistic .. 1m/0.000002083 sec = Mach ~480,000 .. tilting head (say, to dodge) would be less distance and less speed, but still likely over Mach 88,000


    I may be talking shit here tbh :maybe, you'd need to clarify or maybe a video
     
  41. NemeBro I is unicorn

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    480,000 meters per second isn't anywhere near relativistic, you for some reason confused your mach number (If the distance is a meter, it would be mach 1,411) with meters per second.

    That is why I want to see the calc, but I don't know who did it or even the basic reasoning behind it.
     
  42. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    .. derp, you're right :geg fucked up big time there .. that was pretty pathetic of me

    480 km/s = Mach ~1440, MHS, long way to relativistic


    still, what kind of feat was it ?
     
  43. Tranquil Fury Thousand Eyes and One

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    Nothing he'll laugh at it, he's able to fight Heralds and cosmics. He's vastly above anything in YYH, so it would be no limits Fallacy to claim it can work something more powerful.

    We have attacks like dimensional sword and time/space cutting even at street levels but unless they have necessary feats, they won't work on things at Thor's level.
     
  44. Weiss RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU

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    Thor can also likely handle black holes X
     
  45. Basilikos .

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    Space-time cuts bypass conventional durability. So unless the target has some kind of resistance to space-time cutting/warping attacks, they'll get hurt by it. NLFs have nothing to do with it.
     
  46. Fang Titan

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    High Herald level being being harmed by Kuwabara's spirit sword like Thor? Fucking nope. Guys like him and the Silver Surfer have fought inside of fucking black holes.

    Hell Silver Surfer and Red Shift had no problem fighting inside of a black hole during the events of Annihilation Wave. Its not gonna do shit, so yes, its a no limits argument.
     
  47. Tranquil Fury Thousand Eyes and One

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    So basically you want to claim that some low level space/time cutter can bypass the durability of anything or anyone regardless of how powerful they are compared to everything in the verse such ability exists in?

    You seem to not understand the concept of bypass all durability being a no limits fallacy. Should I give instances in fiction where characters who tanked dimesional swords and space/time cutting are hurt by far less?Are you going to say that someone like Kamen Rider OOO with his space time cutting sword can hurt people who tank planet busters e.g Goku despite having no feats to back that up?

    Kuwabara at best can kill characters who can tank mountain busters with his sword(Sensui dodged the sword), far cry from someone like Thor. If the dimensional cutting is done at the level of herald or skyfather, it's a bit more understandable but when it's a mountain busting or lower, it's not going to cut it without feats.
     
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  48. Basilikos .

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    Again, space-time cuts =/= conventional damage.

    Soulfuck =/= conventional damage

    Atomic level destruction =/= conventional damage

    If Thor has feats or powerscaling to grant him resistance/immunity to space-time cuts, then he won't be hurt. If he doesn't, then he'll get cut. Or would you also argue that if Yuan were given a free shot at Goku that planet level durability will somehow protect him from a soulfuck?

    Are you also going to claim that Keith White's atomic level destroying vibrations wouldn't work on Nanoha characters just because they have island level durability?

    You should know better than this, TF.
     
  49. Tranquil Fury Thousand Eyes and One

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    I know enough to know that comparing something that affects the soul to something that's just a flashy trope of looking cool does not apply, there are so many instances in fiction where these so called dimensional swords have failed to even cut buildings or characters who have tank those get hurt or killed by far less. This kind of attack exists even at street level, you're claiming that Kuwabara who has'nt bypassed the durability of anything even close to a country buster can bypass the durabilty of someone much higher. Unless this ability is done at a higher level like Herald or above, it's not doing anything. Comparing Kuwabara's low level space/time cutting to something like a cosmic sword that can cut time/space would be hilarious for instance.

    Claiming that an attack which has no feats of bypassing the durability of something vastly above what's the norm in the verse is a blatant No limits Fallacy.
     
  50. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    Then those characters have resistance to space/time being cut around them.

    Why give a character a feat of resisting something if they haven't shown it.

    Just sounds like marvel is highly resistant to space/time cutting.

    He's cutting space/time.

    When the fuck has that EVER been part of conventional durability? :lmao

    Hax is hax for a reason.

    And so what to the bold?

    If marvelverse has a fuckton of characters that can do this? Yet still get resisted?

    That just means their characters are incredibly resistant.

    Why give other series with no such resistance credit when they don't have it though?

    Who'd claim that it'd effect a herald?

    When apparently marvel has quite a number of characters that resist such hax?

    Um...

    You're normally pretty good at this, but you're sort of connecting the dots in an improper manner.

    Marvel has street levels with this ability? Yet they appear ineffective against stronger characters?

    Then marvel is incredibly resistant to cutting space/time.

    That's all it means.

    Cutting space/time wouldn't apply to conventional durability :lmao
     
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