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Bansho Tenin > Susanoo

Discussion in 'Konoha Library' started by rainbowdash, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. rainbowdash Banned

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    After seeing how Gaara was able to throw Madara out of his shell with a PHYSICAL attack, there is no reason that a NON-PHYSICAL attack like Bansho Tenin cannot do the same:

    1) Use one arm to push Susanoo away.
    2) Use the other to pull user up close and smack him.

    Edit: For those who missed the Nagato vs Itachi/Naruto/Bee fight, look at the start where Nagato used 1 hand to BT Naruto and the other to BT a rock to hurl them at opposite directions toward each other.

    I guess there is no debate now. Itachi fans cannot neglect the fact that in a REAL Nagato vs Itachi battle, there is no contest. Tsukuyomi = nullified by a more evolved EMS, Amaterasu = nullified by absorption, Shinra Tensei etc. Susanoo = nullified by Bansho Tenin, Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei.

    The debate is over. Rinnegan > EMS > MS > S > Byakugan > eye of Sauron > normal eye > blind eye > no eye > 'eye' seek you (ICQ)
     
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  2. shintebukuro Active Member

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    Of course, any hypothetical scenarios proposed must be fact if they sound right.
     
  3. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    And 'lo and behold three years after the battle of Deva Pain vs Susanoo began on NF finally we have a clear victor.
     
  4. bullsh3t Active Member

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    I can see Nagato BT'ing Itachi out of his susano :hurr
     
  5. Jak N Blak Jakanese run shit.

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    Its like a breathe of frikin fresh air.
     
  6. Jizznificent Your unborn bro

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    b4 shitstorm i'll say this... can't we all just get along? :giogio
     
  7. vagnard Active Member

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    There was a lot of PNJ here.

    Every time Sasuke and Itachi moved, Susano moved along with them.

    When Nagato used Chibaku Tensei it pulled Susano along with Itachi.

    Basically what happened here made no sense.
     
  8. Corax Active Member

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    Well at this point even doton can bypass Susano. Every jutsu has a weakness anyway.
     
  9. WT #for the watch

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    Uchiha Rinnegan > EMS > Nagato Rinnegan > MS > Sharingan
     
  10. IpHr0z3nI Active Member

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    Wait what did the opening even read the chapter????

    The sand underneath Susano, was not protected by Susano...

    And what is the point of these threads anyway...

    Hasn't it been confirmed to be a sharingan evolution????
     
  11. Frawstbite Night

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    Yeah, but Gaara spoke as he figured out the mechanics of Susanoo. If that's true then KISHI wanted it that way, evidently. So, if you believe it's PNJ, it's more like he clearly decided to change it for better or worse.
     
  12. Coldhands A Thousand Eyes, and One

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    We'v seen both Itachi and Sasuke outside their Susano. Itachi when they finished the fight with Nagato and Sasuke when he showcased his EMS Susano.

    Chibaku Tensei pulls everything, while Bansho Tenin can pull a specific target.

    The events in this chapter make perfect sense.
     
  13. Sorin R.I.P. Johan Cruyff

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    Mind explaining how did you reach that conclusion?
     
  14. Truth Messenger The chosen two

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    Yes, and end the day gangbanging Mei.
     
  15. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Wrong. EMS is weaker than the Rinnegan period. Nagato was the strongest member of Akatsuki for a reason.
     
  16. Vergil642 Nikushimi's Successor

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    It actually makes perfect sense. Gaara held Susanoo with his sand and pulled Madara out.

    OP makes no sense. You can't use Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tennin simultaneously, so I have no idea what he means by "use one arm to hold Susanoo, the other to pull Uchiha out."

    You use Bansho Tennin on an Uchiha, or any pulling technique, without securing Susanoo and the element of surprise (Sasuke used Susanoo to hold himself in place remember) then Susanoo comes along for the ride with the Uchiha.

    A smart Rinnegan user uses Shinra Tensei to dissipate Susanoo, assuming it isn't hiding behind Yata's Mirror.
     
  17. Pseudo laughing with a mouth of blood

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    Someone put Nikushimi on suicide watch.:-(

    EDIT: OP is most likely a dupe, but rep for you still.
     
  18. Heli Member

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    Eh depends on what you mean by strongest. The Rinnegan has some serious nuking ability. However Tobi was the strongest 1v1 fighter in Akatsuki because his phasing and Izanagi are just that broken.
     
  19. Deshi Basara OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, SEE YA

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  20. Cole Electric Man

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    Well that was anticlimactic :lmao
     
  21. rainbowdash Banned

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    Did you see the Itachi/Naruto/Bee vs Nagato fight?

    Towards the start, Nagato used one hand to BT Naruto and the other to BT a rock to hurl them in opposite directions.

    ;)
     
  22. IpHr0z3nI Active Member

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    Doesn't have the sharingan aspect of the Rinnegan...

    The fact that a Uchiha must give a full thorough showing of the Dojutsu, is reason enough to make that deduction...

    Never send a child to do a mans job... And Kishi is basically trolled Nagato, in favor of showing how a ONE IS SUPPOSED to utilized the Rinnegan...
     
  23. Nic .

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    We already know that Nagato is stronger than Itachi, can we move on now? :giogio
     
  24. ?Sharingan Squid? Dapper as fuck

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    If you look at the bottom left panels, it sure as hell looks like the sand just went through it.
    I guess it's explained (rather badly) by the lessened weight of the sand.
    There was notably no sand under Madara to begin with really. Only the smashed rock Oonoki raised.

    Another thing that is just incredibly nonsensical is how the lightweight sand still kept Susano'o in place. That thing is supposed to be freaking strong.

    Basically Kishi just rushed into showing how Madara has a Rin'negan.
     
  25. riyuhou Uchiwa_Ryuhou

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    Because Susano'o would have come with the Uchiwa.

    Here it works because Gaar's sand block Susano'o and at the same time pull Madara.
     
  26. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    It could, but you have to focus on the Uchiha in the middle and not the Susano itself.

    The reason CT pulled Itachi and the Susano is because it cannot target anything. It just pulls in everything. At the same time.
     
  27. IpHr0z3nI Active Member

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    "If He's the same as Sasuke, EXTERNAL attacks won't work on him, in that case I have to USE THE SAND UNDERNEATH HIS FEAT"

    The sand didn't good through... The manga explicitly states how sand was able to enter Susano.... and it wasn't from an OUTSIDE SOURCE... What was the foundation Madara was standing on??????????

    I let you figure that out...
     
  28. vagnard Active Member

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    Baku didn't work against Susano. Why Bansho Tenin should work?.

    It doesn't makes sense because every time we have seen Susano it has been anchored to the user.

    When Sasuke and Itachi jumped Susano moved along with them. Chibaku Tensei pulled Susano along Itachi. Baku couldn't suck Sasuke when Susano was anchored to the ground.
     
  29. bullsh3t Active Member

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    5 posts and op already banned :lmao
     
  30. The Fool Active Member

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    Lol, Jiraiya's Swamp of the Underworld would wreck Susanoo based upon this chapter.
     
  31. ?Sharingan Squid? Dapper as fuck

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    Then what exactly was the point of lightening the sand?
    Other than making the stopping of Susano'o even more nonsensical?

    I doubt it was speed, the sand from below should have the element of surprise by itself and thus remove the need for more speed.
     
  32. Frawstbite Night

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    Because the pull is easily MUCH stronger than Gaara's sand. Baku is more of a steady stream of power, like a vaccum. BT is more like a raw yanking force.
     
  33. Topher Renegade

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    At the end of the day all these jutsus are from the uchiha doujoutsu.
     
  34. Lelouch71 Zero

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    So Pain/Nagato could win by just using banso tenin on Sasuke/Itachi and stab them like Fukusaku. :zaru
     
  35. Sorin R.I.P. Johan Cruyff

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    @Sharingan Squid To make it faster and easier to use.Gaara isn't in top shape at this moment so every bit of extra help is welcomed.
     
  36. Nic .

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    you mean the rikudou doujoutsu that is half senju along with being half uchiha? lol The sharingan is a diluted rin'negan and Madara could only achieve rin'negan with senju Dna as he so eloquently expressed.
     
  37. vagnard Active Member

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    That's your assumption. We don't know what force of attraction is stronger. In any case you missed the point. If Susano wasn't anchored at all to the user when Baku sucked Sasuke his Susano anchoring itself to the ground shouldn't make any difference.
     
  38. Topher Renegade

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    It's not half senju. The uchihas received the doujoutsu, the senjus received the boosted body. Madara did not state that senju dna is a requirement for the rinegan.
     
  39. Nic .

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    yes they received a diluted rin'negan, not the rin'negan itself that made you into a rikudou.
     
  40. IpHr0z3nI Active Member

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    This, this, and this again...

    The user on the inside is not affected by external jutsu, without breaching Susano....

    The manga specifically states this, yet people continue to try to select reading..
     
  41. Frawstbite Night

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    You don't think that the force of direct gravity is stronger than the force of wind? :oh
     
  42. Topher Renegade

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    You're trying to make the requirements to become a rikudou the same requirement to unlock the rinegan, but that is not the case. The rinegan is the final step of the sharingan.
     
  43. ?Sharingan Squid? Dapper as fuck

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    That still doesn't eliminate the issue of it actually keeping Susano'o in its place though.
    I mean, Gaara isn't even remotely used to his sand being lightened like that, and yet it managed. Susano'o is a huge, strong construct (especially this one, it's The Goddamn Madara) and in the end it was supposed to be stopped by nothing more than light sand?
     
  44. vagnard Active Member

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    When we are talking about magical gravity and magical wind.... uh not necessarely? :oh

    Besides Deva jutsus have never been called gravity but attractive force (引力, inryoku)

    Besides you still miss the point. It doesn't matter which of them it's actually stronger. If Susano wasn't anchored to the user then Sasuke should be sucked by Baku.... unless you claim Sasuke who is a regular ninja physically is strong enough to resist a wind force capable to destroy giant stone pillars.
     
  45. IpHr0z3nI Active Member

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    This exactly, what do people not understand about this....

    The Uchiha fans were not trolled by a manga stand point, because they just received another power up....

    However the Uchiha fans were wrong in suggestion the sharingan>Rinnegan..

    But wait minute..... Wasn't the main reason people wanted the Rinnegan > sharingan was to have something to hold over the heads of the Uchiha fans????

    How does that work, when the Rinnegan has been CONFIRMED to be a Uchiha power...

    Look at the dialogue in the chapter people... X

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    "What awaits when you PROGRESSED beyond a sharingan..."
     
  46. Vergil642 Nikushimi's Successor

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    So where's he pulling Susanoo off to? He used Bansho Tennin to attract two things towards the same point (which we're told is him, but by the rock's trajectory this was clearly not the case). Either way, you need Shinra Tensei to push Susanoo away.

    Apparently the power of the pull of Gaara's sand was sufficient to sever the connection.

    I suspect that the reason for this is because Madara wasn't expecting to get dragged out. We've seen that the Uchiha can step out of Susanoo from Itachi, so I imagine that the Uchiha can control how well rooted they are within Susanoo. By putting more effort into it they can keep themselves within, but if they don't do this they can step out and will the chakra construct to move around them.
     
  47. Frawstbite Night

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    Baku's wind is not "magic" it's suction. It's never even been called fuuton before.

    And gravity defines the attractive force between all objects that have mass. Gravity is the force of attraction between all masses in the universe.

    So for me, Gravity/Attractive force > Suction that may not even be fuuton.
     
  48. Tengu Kiuuby-chan

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    What i don't understand is why didn't Susanoo grab Madara as he was being pulled out by the sand?
     
  49. Nic .

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    The rin'negan came before the sharigan. It's the original eye not the final stage.
     
  50. Heli Member

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    Susanoo likely is directly controlled by the user and doesn't have its own mind. So it can't perform an autonomous action.
    That would make it a reaction time issue.

    Another option is just that Madara knew he could just absorb the FRS. Therefore he didn't bother with a less efficient option.
     

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