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Discussion in 'Akihabara Novel Corner' started by halfhearted, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Kikyo Some day...

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    /runs to BakaTsuki!
     
  2. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Okay. After reading the Alice in Jails introductions, I agree with you Kiks.

    Spoiler:
    Huey has the potential to be a real Big Bad.


    I'm amazed, too! If nothing else, such a large chunk all at once is almost overwhelming in its awesome <3
    Haha, well, looking at how one chapter's titled "Let's Break Out!"...

    I agree. I do think that there are different moods to each novel, while they still retain that Narita feel. Probably has a lot to do with how character-driven his writing is where different casts create different sorts of stories.

    And, he even plays a major role in Alice in Jails, apparently. If the introduction choices are anything to go by, which they usually are. It could be that his character is being intentionally built up throughout the novels, so that he might better play some larger, overarching series role in a later volume.

     
  3. Kikyo Some day...

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    oh dear, this is gonna be another wild ride. New characters, more Huey, more Firo, Talbot, and the Nebula organization? I want MORE! :ruri

    must sleep now... I stayed up to read... hopefully I'll have Baccano dreams :iria
     
  4. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Spoiler: About Firo Prochainezo - Recollections of the Gandor Brothers
    Can I just say one thing, I simply adore the perspective we're getting this chapter!



    "How other characters perceive Firo", really nice to see the novels open up with this. Instead of the reader judging Firo's character, we get to see how the Gandor's no less feel about him and thus further emphasis his "heart of gold, yet still a true mobster" persona.

    Since I'm a bias Firo fan, I kinda fangasm'd
    Spoiler: The Joyful Reminiscence of Elmer C. Albatross
    Greatest villain line of the decade, okay I'm going overboard but still XD

    Love what we saw here, Elmer wholeheartedly letting the readers seep into the perception of Huey's character. I adored it, not to mention the fact that Elmer pretty much stated that Huey was a calculative genius sent my heart aflutter.

    Btw, who's this Alchemy teacher they speak of? At first I thought it was Maiza, though obviously that isn't the case.
     
  5. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Alice in Jails-
    Spoiler:

    Getting to read the Gandor brothers having their little discussion was such a treat. I love how familiar and homely their talks are, and how you can so easily figure out who is speaking by the language used. The number of times the word "stupid" was uttered in their recollections of Firo made me laugh. And, it was great to hear the ever-wise Keith lay down the final truth.

    I also enjoyed seeing Luck's thoughtfulness continue unabated in his questioning of the nature of Firo's relationship with Ennis and how their existences might no longer be human (meaning, by extension, that neither he nor his brothers are). It's little nods like that which give me cause to marvel at Narita's character work; it's always so tight and consistent.

    And, I agree with Nile (an odd experience) when it comes to Victor; the latter's attitude is almost harder to like than Szilard's totally repulsive personality. On the other hand, Huey becomes more and more interesting with Elmer's referring to him as an idiot being pretty adorable. The Graham passage was also great with how much personality came through. While reading it, I found myself real appreciative of this new translator for more than just their transcripts. They really seem to have captured Narita's voice and the voice of the characters in their translating.

    Speaking of appreciation, I greatly appreciated the little nod to the Daily Days in the first prologue, especially the bit where they explained how the President and Vice President react to criticism. And, I'm interested in the purpose behind the Nebula Organization other than the collection of immortal eyeballs, particularly finding out what use they plan to put those eyes to. Sham is also all kinds of baffling, and it will be interesting to see what role this new being will play.


    The Slash -
    Spoiler:

    Jacuzzi and the gang's new abode came as a surprise, but the images which we saw in the anime are slowly starting to make more and more sense. Isaac and Miria spread the usual happiness without even trying, and their samurai tangent (i.e. the seppuku bit :lmao) was especially amusing.

    Even wilder than I was expecting. The joy of Narita: you always get more than you paid for (if the novels were licensed, and one had the ability to buy them in one's own language).

    It could be Ronnie, as the demon did seem to "enjoy" Huey's company in the past.
     
  6. Kikyo Some day...

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    It really was so nice to read the Gandor Brothers talking. And Keith! omg! KEITH SPOKE! /dies Poor Firo though. :lmao everyone has the same opinion about him. I do agree that it was pretty easy to tell who was saying what in that particular section. Luck is always so philosophical. For such close brothers, they are all so different!

    You know Megan, I'm not sure I wanted to be right about Huey. :uwah Still, his ambitions have been revealed. And as it was Elmer who revealed them, I'm inclined to believe Huey actually meant it. I too wondered who the Master might be. I thought about Ronnie, but I'm not so sure they meant him. I don't know who it might be, but I think we might a see another new character for the Master. Maybe it was Elmer's cult leader? Or someone else entirely. :hmm

    Victor seems different than I thought he'd be. Not that it means much, lol. But from how he was described and how he interacted with Firo, he just seemed a bit more cavalier than I had imagined he'd be for an Immortal in his position/job.

    And does this mean that Ladd is gonna meet Firo in California? :iria

    I do so want to know more about Nebula!
     
  7. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Haha, I know what you mean. Yet, now that we know what they are, I do like how it brings up the possibility of a climactic franchise end. As in, a larger than all that have become before threat built up throughout nearly every novel coming to a head in the final volume. Of course, I'd love it if the Baccano! novels continued on until Narita's death from old, old age forced them to a close. But, it still makes for an interesting possibility should the series have to end.
    I agree.

    Most likely candidate is probably the boys' teacher from 1705 The Ironic Light Orchestra, wherein they first began studying alchemy in Lottovalentino, Italy.

    I agree. His aggression took me off-guard, as I was expecting someone more boring stoic.


    The reference to experimentation on bodies and whatnot could point to another group searching for immortality or similar methods for perfecting the human animal.

    EDIT: And, our wonderful translators continue to release!

    InProgress came out with the transcript for 2002 Bullet Garden's first prologue: http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-%E2%80%93-prologue-1/#more-93. (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-%E2%80%93-prologue-1/#more-93)

    And, dawnelkin from Baka-Tsuki has posted up Epilogue I from 1931 Grand Punk Railroad (Local Chapter): http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume2_Chapter1. Specially noted by the translator is the fact of this volume being translated in order despite the epilogue following on the heels of the introductions; the novel's structure is just abnormal.
     
  8. Ziko Superhero

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    So I finished the anime a while ago, and yeah, I'm hooked.
    WHY I think it was awesome is the same as the rest of you, the story is great and all the characters are AWESOME. My favourites being Firo, Ladd and Vino.

    I also checked out the manga, even though just a few chapters are scanlated. I like Ladd's character design is much cooler in the manga, but except that, I can't say much about the manga.

    I guess now would be the time to check out the biggest part and best part of the Baccano! Universe, the light novels, which some of you refer to as "Masterpieces". I just downloaded "The Rolling Bootlegs" and I must say I'm not confortable reading "books" like this on my PC. I will if I have to, but have NONE of these novels been released in "Paper form", and do any of you guys read it in any other way? I guess it's a pretty stupid question and I'll probably get used to it in a while, just thought I'd ask.
     
  9. Kikyo Some day...

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    woot! More reading material! I'm liking this trend :del

    Ziko, nope, the novels aren't licensed in the US, so it's fantranslations online. But we've been blessed with some talented translators and a rush of activity lately. :occa

    Ah, Ironic Light Orchestra! Yes, yes, I can see that person as being the "master" Huey spoke of.

    I suppose that every good series should have a climatic finale and Huey would do a good job of being a catalyst for that. I wouldn't mind endless Baccano novels either, but I can see where Narita might want it to end sometime. lol
     
  10. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    I felt the same way, it's interesting to see just how familiar Firo is with the Gandor's; who just so happen to be another mafia family; yet the two don't conflict which is incredibly fascinating. Heck, it would seem that the Gandor's have even attached a bit of nostalgia in regards to Firo's character.

    One would assume that way back in the 1930's, two family's with properties and interests incredibly close to one another would conflict. It would seem like the Gandor's and the Martillo's have an almost unspeakable understanding of one another.
    I wholeheartedly agreed with Nile as well, Victor is an incredibly unlikeable character; possible more so than Szilard. I loved how he was constantly referred to as a hypocrite and that his character should always be looked at with a sense of pity, even more so than the other alchemists.

    I wonder what resolved him to join the FBI and start the hunt for the immortals. I had hypothesized that he had his own reasons and didn't do it out of a sense of some flawed self justice. Perhaps he just doesn't want to get devoured by the other immortals and decided to capture them before they decide to go after him. I thought it would be interesting if circumstances played out this way, but again; no matter the direction plot wise, Narita will have some great things in store for Victor's character.
    Hehe, would be rather interesting if is actually is Ronnie. Huey and Ronnie seem like kindred spirits in a way, or rather "Two birds of a feather". I always thought that Ronnie seemed sort of condescending to every else except Huey, putting his character on the same level as himself when conversing.
    The manga was heresy, the equivalent of defecating on the holy bible. Yes, it's on that level.

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    Twas a tad bit busy, great to see all these new novel updates. Going to try and get through the rest of the new translations as quickly as I can.
     
  11. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Masterpieces is an understatement, my new acquaintance <3

    In a fit of fandom, I've printed off the transcripts for those novels which have been completely scanlated to have and read hard copies. I've yet to give in and set to binding them properly, though. Other than that (and the PC), I have downloaded copies of a few of the novels on my iTouch.

    Me too! It's such a nice surprise.

    Well, they grew up in the same apartment building, and Firo's considered to be a surrogate brother in a sense. Not on the same level as Claire but in a similar fashion.

    I'm not sure if the families themselves have an unspeakable understanding with one another. It's more like they have a healthy respect for one another with personal ties to certain associates which gives that respect a greater base. Plus, they are both relatively small organizations, so they can't afford to act in certain ways. Less so after all of the major players became immortals but nonetheless the point stands.

    I do agree with the idea that they seem to be closer to one another than one might expect from the Mafia and Camorra.

    I can almost understand that viewpoint. The thought of having to act in such a manner for all eternity makes my stomach twist in pity. He seems like such a simple man in a negative way, whereby he grows and develops even less than those who often find such ventures impossible (i.e. Elmer).

    At this point, my best guess is an inferiority/superiority complex combo centered around typical alpha male behavior, whereby he's constantly trying to prove to himself that he's powerful by putting others in positions of powerlessness. By joining the FBI, he's basically sanctioned to act in this manner and given the funds to support those actions. Not only that, but he is able to feel morally above those he apprehends as well as physically, mentally, etc., despite how his attitude and actions put him on the same level (or below) as those he persecutes.

    It bothered me as well. The DRRR!! manga is on a similar level. Maybe Narita's work just wasn't made to be adapted to manga form.
     
  12. Ziko Superhero

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    What app do you use to read them? The PDF reader I got is really "laggy" when I scroll and such.
     
  13. 12hadoooo0 Active Member

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    Are the translated volume downloads scanlated?
     
  14. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Update! Not to repeat myself, but t's wonderful to have these appear so very often all of a sudden.

    1934 Alice in Jails (Prison Episode): Prologue 4: Unspecified Time (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Prologue4)


    I use Files lite (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=294150896&mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D6). It works well enough for me without there being significant lag, but I mostly appreciate it for the organization tools. And, it should probably be noted that my iTouch has gone through everything from being thrown out of the window during a car roll-over to full underwater submersion, so I'm just impressed that it functions at all most days.

    Which is to say, my standards are pretty low and the program might not be an improvement as compared to the software you are using.

    Yes. The only translations released for the novels are by awesome and hardworking fans. Unfortunately, no official move has been made to publish the novels in English.
     
  15. Kikyo Some day...

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    That was different. /blink blink
     
  16. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Pretty much everyones favorite characters after walking away from the anime. After reading the novels you find how brilliant all the other characters are like Huey Laforet, Tick Jefferson, Elmer C. Albatross, and Luck Gandor to name a short few.

    You find yourself eagerly awaiting more novel translations if only to get a glimpse of your fan favs <3

    lol, Megan pretty much baptized me into the Huey fandom; I can't get enough of him now
    The Baccano! novels pretty much traverse the Anime/Manga/Light Novel medium. Pretentious of me to say, but I'd put the series right up there with my copy of The Catcher in the Rye, Of Mice and Men, and Catch-22. Nothing short of magnificent, how Narita even came up with this brilliance is beyond me.
    Listen to this women, she knows what she's talking about <3
    I bet you'd try to get it as professionally made as possible :hurr

    It's actually something one can do as long as one has the tools.
    I love how the Gandor family is relatively small yet still commands a ton of influence throughout New York. I was actually really surprised to see that the Gandor's were against drug trafficking in general, I'm wondering if it had to do with there organization being so small and them simply not wanting any unnecessary attention.
    Manga contrives the spirit of Narita's work; haha, that and it pretty much makes a mockery of it.
     
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  17. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Don't you think you're going a bit too far?:sag
     
  18. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    No.............
     
  19. Deathbringerpt Dreamer of Possibilities

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    So i just found out that Narita wrote an official novel for the Castlevania franchise.

    Now i want to read it.
     
  20. Ziko Superhero

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    So I see that The Slash and Alice in Jails has a lot of chapters translated by now, how much is left of these two until the whole text is finished like Rolling Bootlegs and Drugs and Dominoes?
     
  21. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    The amount of time it takes depends solely on the translators working on the project. Releases can pop up once every three to six month, or grace us in rapid succession every few weeks like what we've been seeing recently; again it's entirely in the hands of the translators.

    Baka-Tsuki just got a new translator for the Baccano! series recently, so I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing quite a few translations in the coming months. I won't give a specific date as too when we should see a novel completed, but I'm hoping within the next six to eight months.
     
  22. Ziko Superhero

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    Yeah, but I was wondering how many chapters was left on those two volumes :p
     
  23. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    As of 7/14/10

    Novels being worked on/Chapters left on each project

    1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Local Episode
    -4 chapters translated
    -6 chapters left


    1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Express Episode
    -3 chapters translated
    -7 chapters left


    2001: The Children of Bottle
    -7 chapters translated
    -5 chapters left

    1933: The Slash ~Cloudy to Rainy~
    -9 chapters translated
    -2 chapters left

    1934: Alice in Jails - Prison Episode
    -8 chapters translated
    -8 chapters left

    2002: Bullet Garden [A-side]

    -?
    -?

    *Note: I counted every novel entry as its own chapters (Prologue, Epilogue, Misc included)
     
  24. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    It was very sweet. I was surprised at how saavy Isaac was to the situation; his making an excuse to get Miria out of harm's way made me smile. And, I love the recurring, continuous babble of pop culture, media, etc. references which just pour out of the pair at any given moment. It was even more silly than usual this time around, probably due to their being entertainment for the drunks.
    I don't think they command much influence throughout New York, at least from what we have seen so far. They do seem to get respect in a general way from law enforcement and the public. This might have a lot to do with both Luck's and Keith's strategizing, as well as their being true outlaws in the sense of being men outside the law who uphold a code of honor and responsibility. And, the men themselves (as compared to the organization as a whole) do get a little respect from those who are like family to them. But, beyond that, New York itself (along with the major criminal activities therein) appears to be led by the larger, referred to but unseen organizations.

    Just looking to how the family acquired the territory in the first place demonstrates their hard-won but minor sphere of power.

    The organization's apparent ban on drug-dealing in the long term was mainly because Keith is the head of the family and would in no way condone drug trafficking due to how those drugs would adversely affect the citizens he's paid to protect. Even if the cash is won through extortion and the like, Keith (and by necessary extension his brothers) feels a responsibility to honor the agreement in which the money was acquired, rendering service as a shield which keeps his territory's populace from harm.

    In the short term, I'd agree that power was another roadblock. Or, to be more correct, while they had the power to enter into the drug trade, they didn't have the experience or knowledge to operate in said trade with certain success. And so, rather than losing the respect and confidence of both the citizenry and the other organizations by trend-hopping and faltering in the process, they are staying with the trade they know.
     
  25. Kikyo Some day...

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    It seemed that Isaac was working harder than usual. Partly because of their audience and partly because of the extra audience members. It really surprised me that Isaac noticed and got Miria out of the way in such a natural manner.

    Baccano sticks to fairly small areas (like blocks, small blocks) in the city. And it's a BIG city with a LOT of people. Narita keeps their interactions pretty well confined to Gandor and Martillo territory where the brothers are well known and respected. Go to an area with a different police precinct outside of those territories, and I'd lay even odds that most of the cops will have no idea who the Gandors are at all. But then, when they travel outside their area, they also keep a pretty low profile to stay out of their notice as well.
     
  26. Ziko Superhero

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    Any new translations? Just finished the two finished texts, and I need more! But reading bits and pieces of novels isn't really my style :p
     
  27. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    It's going to be a while before we see another finished text, Alice in Jails & The Slash may be seeing completion soon but it could be up to a year before we see them completed in there entirety.

    Translators tend to take their time with the Baccano! novels

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    After rereading The Rolling Bootlegs & The Drugs and The Dominoes and then rewatching the anime adaptation you can really see the differences between the two. I was utterly devastated with how the anime handled the 4th novels material.

    4th novel adapted displeasure's

    -Luck was completely out of character
    -There was no Roy or Edith
    -Tick Jefferson cuts (arghhhh!)
    -Gandor family inner working cuts
    -Gustavo was only 10% asshole, in the novel the guy was a blatant dirt bag
    -The anime's 1932 time line was a complete contradiction
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    Lol, the Runarata's hooking up with Senator Barium in order to capture Dallas for Immortality experiments made absolutely no sense at all. This was probably my biggest displeasure in regards to the anime adaptation; the fact that they made Dallas the main focal point of the 1932 time line killed me inside since in all actuality, he was a mere subplot in which Eve was the only one in search.
    -Daily Days showdown never happened
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    Oh man, I can't even go into why I'm angry at this. The epicness that went down there was probably too much for the anime to withstand anyway
    -No Vino vs Maria the Mexican Assassin (See above)
    -No Beg (I did not catch him in the anime at all)
    -No Luck vs Gustavo (One of the greatest Baccano! fight sequences period)

    I can't even get into it all, a fucking travesty. Regardless of all the anime fail, the 4th novel is perfection; the reread just made me realize the anime could have done so much more.

    Kieth's wife was left out too, I was actually kinda touched by that whole back story. Lol Also was I the only one rooting for a LuckXEve moment? Haha, You get too see some really fascinating introverted thought from Lucks character ie (His feelings during certain situations, the way he carries himself, how he views others), it was all extremely interesting.

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    The first novels adaptation was alright, there wasn't too much left out that would compromise the story but that isn't to say great stuff wasn't left out. I won't get into it now though, I'm kind of riveted after going through all the material going calm down and reflect lol
     
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  28. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Same here. They move at their own pace so completely; it was surprising to see that Isaac actually had such an awareness of his surroundings. Particularly with how all of their escapes in the past seemed so accidental.

    The newest translation was the update to Prologue I from Bullet Garden posted on the 11th at InProgress.

    I don't think that's necessarily true. Novels are a lot longer than the text of a manga chapter or an anime episode's script. For instance, the second chapter of The Slash is over 100 pages long. That's a lot of ground to cover for a single translator who isn't being paid for their scripts while they might also be going to school and work (specifically, dawnelkin is a working student). And, 100+ pages is only a single chapter as compared to the entire novel.

    Considering how quickly some translators still manage to update, I'd say that Baccano! translators are pretty efficient when they have an active project that they are working on.
     
  29. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    I was making my daily rounds of the usual scan sites and happened to see the illustrations from Crack the Flag posted on the Baccano! LJ. So, I thought I would share my findings.

    Spoiler: Originally scanned by becespleen










    On a related topic brought on by posts from the same community -

    Spoiler: Huey/Chane spoilers
    Our speculation can come to an end, Kiks!

    Apparently, Chane is his biological daughter and was born naturally (assumed mother: Renee, his alchemy teacher from the 1700s). That gives one something to think about as regards his treatment of her. Although, I'm not sure my actual opinion of his character will change all that much.
     
  30. Kikyo Some day...

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    :awesome
    Thanks for the scans.

    Spoiler: huey/chane spoilers

    :omg I wasn't expecting that! I mean, she's still young when we first meet her in the 1930s and we've been assuming that's she's been aging with Claire. I must think this over more!
     
  31. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Haha, oh, just passing the images along; I'm grateful that becespleen was kind enough to scan and share them. Speaking of which, here are the black and white images from the novel as well.

    Spoiler:










    Spoiler:
    I'm relatively certain that Chane is the age she appears to be rather than aging at a decreased rate. Renee is also an immortal from a generation of immortals created prior to the incident on the Adveena Avis. So, she and Huey could easily have conceived Chane in the early 1900s.

    And, goodness, there are also more spoilers related to the Gandor family that involve Huey's children which make me a little sad and a little touched.

    Spoiler:
    Apparently, Keith is the one who takes it upon himself to raise Charon, Claire and Chane's great-grandson. The implication is that neither he nor Kate had children, which is sad as they would make such lovely parents. But, it's also a bit moving to consider Keith adopting/fostering the young boy and raising him as his own.
     
  32. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Another novel picked up and new translations posted!

    kirschwassers (http://kirschwassers.livejournal.com/) (livejournal)/emjay (http://www.blogger.com/profile/10240480663317233660) (blogspot) has started translating 1705: The Ironic Light Orchestra. So far, the color pages, prologue (http://evaluative.blogspot.com/2010/08/of-note-i-do-not-profess-to-be-super.html#more), and most of the first chapter (http://evaluative.blogspot.com/2010/08/ironic-light-orchestra-chapter-1.html#more) have been posted up on the user's blog :3
     
  33. Ziko Superhero

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    Sooo...any updates? :p
     
  34. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Not that I know of, though I had a conversation with Hox (http://hox.fluffypress.com/) a short while back about picking up a Baccano! novel. He seemed fairly interested, even more so if I brought funding to the project.

    Most of the Scan groups Ive spoken to didn't even know the Baccano! novels were being translated, or even where they were hosted. I'll keep my eyes peeled and spread the word.

    Btw, the "Crack Flag" scans look fantastic.
     
  35. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Chapter 4 from Children of the Bottle (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/09/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter.html) has been released by that awesome guy on Sporelife. The prospect of more Elmer (and Maiza and everyone else in the cast) being all Elmer-y fills me with delight :3
     
  36. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Can anyone tell me what happens to Ladd after he gets imprisoned? And did he really lose his left arm and right ear?
     
  37. Alveare I like headbands.

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    Greatest color page ever.

    I know I already made a fangasm post earlier on this thread, but thank you SO much for putting the translations together here. I'm reading Children of Bottle right now, and the sporelife translation is WONDERFUL. I love getting to see more of my favorite characters~

    Is anybody here fluent in Japanese? I was thinking about downloading the raws for practice but I don't know what level of difficulty they would be to read...

    I know he lost his arm (kinda...he lost his hand and the flesh around the bone on his arm. Kinda gross x.x), but I don't know about his ear...
     
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  38. Kikyo Some day...

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    Finally got the chance to read that new chapter of Children of the Bottle. :ohpek
    Sporeguy delivers. I love his translations. :ohpek

    Spoiler: spoilerish? Just in case . . . um yeah, spoiler-ific
    And the twist was interesting. I wasn't expecting things to end the way it did. I was hoping for a "new" alchemist being behind it all, but there is another chapter, there may yet be. Quates may have indeed created the monster in the basement, perhaps a failed homunculus experiment. Or maybe some poor researcher who was experimented on with a failed panacea. Or maybe something entirely different. Narita has a way of doing that. :zaru

    I still feel sorry for those poor villagers and Phil is even more adorable to me now. Dez... poor Dez. I feel bad for him, but there was no reason for him to try and kill everyone with his own consciousness either. Very novel way to kill someone, btw, how do you prove murder when the body is still alive, just with a different personality? We need some new laws to cover this kind of thing. XD I'm glad that Phil had enough personality by then to stop him. I hope that she would have anyway, but there's no real way to know. With the flask's contents already contaminated the way it was, could there really have been another outcome?


    Can't wait for the end of the novel. :wtf
     
  39. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    That awesome guy on Sporelife posted up Chapter 5 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/10/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter.html#more) from Children of the Bottle :3

    EDIT: And, here comes the Epilogue (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/10/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle.html), as well! Children of the Bottle is officially translated.
     
  40. Kikyo Some day...

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    Just finished reading the end of Children of the Bottle. Lovely, lovely novel. Wasn't expecting the twist at the end with Felt and Phil, it was surprising and enjoyable.

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    so that's what Elmer originally asked of the demon? To smile and be happy? lol I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm also glad that he'd made both requests of the demon. Though I doubt the demon has been able to smile after all this time.

    The "water" is eerie. And Elmer is evil. And Maiza is a hell of a guy, cutting open Elmer's gut to get the "flesh" :iik and Felt's Water from him. That part of the chapter, with the "flesh"... oh god... that was so gross. Sometimes I hate having a vivid imagination, I could just picture it. :iik

    But did that mean that Bild wasn't quite a complete homnunculus? He was able to conceive a child, but it didn't live. Was it because he was a created human with faulty DNA (or alchemical DNA substitute?). On the other hand, infant mortality in such a place would be really high anyway, with the lack of modern medical facilities and research. Perhaps the baby Felt just died of SIDS or something else and it had nothing to do with his parentage. I wonder if the Phils are fertile? :hmm (Well perhaps after those 6 months of making sure they could live outside the village, they had to at the very least, extend her lifespans in those bodies.)

    I'd love to know what kind of adventures the Phils and Felt had after leaving their bottle. Did they go with Maiza or Elmer? The ending didn't make it clear. They seem to have, at least, gotten better at relating to people. I wonder what Isaac and Miria thought of the story. Ennis is like an aunt? to the Phils and Felt, in a way. And they love Ennis like a sister.

    It's interesting that this novel was in the works from very early on. I can see where most of the story and plot really hasn't anything to do with the rest of the novels, it's sort of a side story... an experiment gone wrong and needing to be cleaned up by others. But it really evolved into something with a lot of characterization for Sylvie and Czes, a bit for Maiza and Elmer. Nile still hasn't much characterization for me at all. He's still pretty 2 dimensional. And I really loved how Phil grew and changed as she interacted with Elmer and the other alchemists. I wonder if she knew (I'm sure she does now, being out of the bottle, or at least in a much expanded one) that just by meeting them and talking to them, her world had already begun to expand in her forest bottle?

    Lots of questions and ruminations of individuality, personality and immortality from this novel. Too many really. It was an exercise in many concepts. Very imaginative. This may be my favorite Baccano novel yet (but don't hold me to it!).
     
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    I found it interesting that we've been given a greater frame of reference for how long the "demon" has actually been operating. He'd revealed that he was originally an alchemist who had gained too much knowledge, and I find him more and more intriguing as the length of time since his grasping pseudo-omnipotence increases. It also has me curious as to the other wishes he's granted over the thousands of years.

    And, I like the way his reaction to Elmer's offer is described. Particularly this bit:

    "'Even if the reason you're happy is because you can tell me, 'Ha! I can smile after all! Eat that!' that's fine. I just want to see you smile.'

    Silence, as the dark ceased its endless writhing."

    For all of the idealism of increasing the size of one's bottle as a ticket to joy and understanding, the novel once again raised the idea of whether knowledge begets unhappiness and/or dissatisfaction. An idea that's definitely true in how answering questions tends to only bring more questions but not necessarily in regards to emotion. It's no wonder that the demon and Elmer make for such powerful interactions as their attitudes seem to almost directly oppose one another far more than someone who merely wishes for unhappiness might contrast with Mr. Happy End.

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    Very true. And yet, I continue to find it difficult to keep myself from being drawn in by his unflagging idealism, especially since it's tempered with a realistic view of events. It doesn't hurt that I have a soft spot for extremely broad-minded, perversely goal-driven individuals whose desires are entirely personal even if they directly involve massive numbers of other people. Plus, the way he speaks and annoys most everyone makes me smile.


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    Haha, I think I'm too desensitized. Even imagining it in detail didn't really bother me; I felt more respect for their badassery in that moment than anything else, and it also drove home the fact of Maiza being a true Camorrista in his attitude.

    "This fellow's a mafioso, you know. He knows how to compartmentalize, what."

    Generally speaking, I also loved how the immortals creatively used their immortality throughout the novel. For example, Czeslaw throwing himself in the fire to burn off his bonds or Elmer swallowing the gasoline. The latter of which made me chuckle inappropriately.


    My loyalty binds me to Drugs and Dominoes forevermore. But, this definitely ranks in my top three, at this point.
     
  42. Alveare I like headbands.

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    And that is why Elmer is the most interesting character in the series, at least from what I've had access to so far. The characters are interesting, but fairly easy to understand. Elmer is just a giant walking mindfrag, and I LOVE it! I love how he twists what we consider to be good and makes us reevaluate what we really mean... or maybe that's just me being overanalytical. :p


    And Elmer is now one of my favorite characters. Great end to the novel! ...wait, I've only read 3?? :uwah Can't wait for more translations! I love this series way too much. Patience is not a virtue, it's annoying. :p
     
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    Hello I'm new to the fourms and have started to explore Baccano a bit more. I've watched the anime and I'm starting to read the light novels and I'm looking into some of the characters.

    Can anyone tell me about Reil and Sham? I know Reil is a little girl with scars on her face, like stitches.
     
  44. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    "The Children of Bottle" (2001) PDF Download (http://www.mediafire.com/?lsmhcvrx11h7sir)

    The quality of this PDF is infinitely greater than the ones Ive compiled before hand. It has all the novel images coinciding with the text and everything's proportionate this time around. I'll do the same for the 1st and 4th novel when I get the chance.

    Adobe Indesign works wonders :hurr
     
  45. Alveare I like headbands.

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    Many thanks, Ralphy! ^_^ Children of Bottle is quite possibly my new favorite...

    It's just a minor update, but Chapter 1 Part 1 of Alice in Jails is up on Baka-Tsuki. Kinda short and mostly background, but at least it's getting updated!
     
  46. Fang Titan

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    Ladd is the best character, prove me wrong.
     
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    He isn't the best character.
     
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    http://forums.narutofan.com/member.php?u=73050
     
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