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Discussion in 'Akihabara Novel Corner' started by halfhearted, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Baccano!

    X

    Author: Narita Ryohgo
    Illustrator: Enami Katsumi
    Genre: Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy
    Translators: X (translation updates posted at X), X, X
    Novel(s): 15


    Bold text = Fully translated
    Italicized text = In the process of being translated

    1. 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs


    • X
    2. 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad (Local Chapter)

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    3. 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad (Express Chapter)

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    4. 1932: Drugs and Dominoes

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    5. 2001: Children of the Bottle

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    6. 1933: The Slash (Cloudy to Rainy)

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    • Prologue: X
    • Prologue: X
    • Prologue: X
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    7. 1934: The Slash (Bloody to Fair)

    8. 1934: Alice in Jails (Imprisoned Chapter)


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    9. 1934: Alice in Jails (Street Chapter)

    10. 1934: Peter Pan in Chains (Conclusion Chapter)

    11. 1705: The Ironic Light Orchestra

    • X
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    12. 2002: The Bullet Garden (A Side)

    • Color Pages X, X, and X
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    13. 2002: Blood Sabbath (B Side)
    14. 1931: Another Junk Railroad (Special Express Chapter)
    15. 1710: Crack the Flag

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    RAW Novel Downloads: X X X X X X X X X X X X X X

    Translated Novel Downloads:
    1. 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs - X X
    4. 1932: Drugs and Dominoes - X X
     
  2. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    The greatest thread here by far <3

    Megan, You read "Children of the Bottle" yet? If so how's it been thus far, I'm starting to get a little confused with the timeline again and apparently Narita introduces a truckload of new characters, (New immortals perhaps?)

    Spoil me I don't mind :iria
     
  3. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Oh yes! I've been following it since that awesome guy on Sporelife first released the prologue.

    It's wonderful! The focus is placed more on the characters of Elmer, Maiza, Sylvie, Nile (who gets his ass kicked by Shizuo in a DRRR!! novel), and Czes with the new characters and the town they live in serving as the framing conflict. It's mostly dealing with Maiza's search for the other immortals post-2000 and the mysterious circumstances of this tiny town's isolation along with Elmer's adventures (and absolute evil nature which many find to be quite annoying) therein being explored.


    Moved conversation from previous thread to this one...

    "The Slash" Chapter 1 Discussion (latest update)

    I can't wait until we get an explanation for why Dallas is sprawled out on the floor, hopefully in pain. It was something that made me chuckle a bit when I noticed it in the anime.

    My question exactly. But, the anime did enjoy cutting him out of any and every scene he appeared in the novels but the bare minimum. So, perhaps, he was in audience but not shown. A sad missed opportunity to see Tick and Maria side-by-side.

    That's Adele.

    Spoiler: Spoilers
    She's a homunculus created by your favorite alchemist, Huey, who fights Maria in the novel.

    It's interesting that they are giving Ronnie more of a possibility for character development. I'm still hoping that Narita one day writes a novel detailing his history, after making a thousand more novels surrounding the Gandors,Tick, Elmer, etc. of course.
     
  4. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Wish he would translate more often, I think he stated that he was taking a break from his translations; I hope he'll be back soon. Then again BakaTsuki could always surprise us with some random chapter updates <3
    The Baccano! and Drrr! verse overlap right? Narita's crossing the two between novels? I had no idea. The guys a fucking genius, still though I have to admit I'm a little weary of the Vamp! novels. The thought of a vampire story doesn't really sit well with me, maybe because it's never been done right.

    I'll hold my tongue until Ive read it, hopefully Narita can pull through on that one!
    More immortals <3

    Speaking of new characters, who's this guy
    Spoiler:
    X
    I always see a bunch of fanart on the guy, he was introduced in "Children of the Bottle" right? He looks sort of vamperic, especially in the eyes; I was wondering if he was one of the new immortals as well.
     
  5. Skylit oh boy

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    Christopher Shouldered. My favorite Character.

    If I remember right, he's immortal and has something to do with Graham. [i don't remember what he has to do with him, sorry]

    I should reread the novels, eh?
     
  6. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Same here. Although, I'm grateful for his work so far. He seems to translate Narita's voice more faithfully than anyone else I've seen. But, more than anything, I'm hoping that he won't discontinue translating after finishing Children of the Bottle. He owns Crack the Flag and that is one of my most anticipated novels for translation. Not to mention Alice in Jails.

    My favorite thing about Baka-Tsuki is that they appear to have a bias for all that is Gandor. So, any new updates from them are always fabulous. I wonder if they will translate all of The Slash or just the first novel.

    The Baccano! and DRRR!! verses do overlap, and they also overlap with the Vamp! verse (i.e. a succubus visits Ikebukuro). DRRR!! novels are generally where the cross-overs take place from what I can tell.
    His name is Chris Shouldered.
    Spoiler:
    He's one of Huey's homunculi made from a cross between human and dolphin DNA. Not from Children of the Bottle, he actually appears in the earlier Baccano! timeline during the Alice in Jails saga, where he's mostly involved with the characters of Graham (they fight as Graham appears to pose a problem for Huey's plans) and Ricardo Russo (he chooses to serve as the child's bodyguard).
     
  7. Memos Active Member

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    Beautiful thread :iria

    As much as I love the Baccano! anime, I have been held back from the light novels thanks due to both my astounding laziness and also the inability to find properly translated novels till recently (Kiki <3).

    I didn't even know there was so much out there in english already.

    Should I begin reading the novels in any particular order? I'm guessing the OP has them in the correct order.
     
  8. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    That takes place in the 1700's right? If so then that's way back when the elixir was first conjured up right, have any idea what the plot of that novels going to be? I was hoping to get some more information on the (devil?) "Apparition that appears to Maiza and bestows unto him the secrets of immortality".

    Wait I forget, wasn't the (devil?) in human form during the whole 1930's saga?
    Hold that thought, insert Gandor baddassery here <3
    Spoiler:
    X
    Btw meg, your edit was insane :hurr *insider
    The best :canttouchthis
    Now you can download the entire first novel and give it a try, definitely think about getting into it now bro. Easily once of the best series Ive ever read, ever.
     
  9. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    The order in the OP is the order of release, so technically correct, I suppose.

    It takes place in 1710. You are right that this is around the time when members of the group sailing on the Advenna Avis start to join together with Fermet, Begg, and Czes being a part of the same collective Huey joins. It also goes further into his early friendship with Elmer and Monica Campanella. And, with witch hunters appearing-

    Spoiler:
    -probably her last appearance as well. What I've read about this novel points to it being the time during which Huey fell from grace in a sense. So, I would imagine he loses his love in Monica to the witch hunters.


    Yep, that would be Ronnie. He is to remain by Maiza's side due to a wish made by Elmer, when he fell from the Advenna Avis. And, he's appearing more often in The Slash.
    Haha, thanks. If there is one thing I don't mind spending all day editing, it would be images of Luck Gandor <3
     
  10. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Hehe, we both know the Baccano! timeline was never linear nor conventional :LOS
    "1710: Crack Flag" aims to pull the heartstrings indeed
    Spoiler:
    X
    Let me backtrack for a second, Chane Laforet is Huey's legitimate child correct? She was not born unto Monica since obviously something happened to her back in 1710. Did the novels ever go into what Huey did after 1710, but prior to 1931's flying pussyfoot incident. More directly his life around the time Chane was born.

    I keep forgetting important details, how did Chane loss her voice again, Some promise with her father right?

    Ah yes, Ronnie. I wanted to get more into his character, good thing he becomes more relevant in "The Slash". Hopefully Baka will get off their lazy hordes and finish it up XP
     
  11. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    I'm interested in seeing how sympathetic Narita will try to make Huey. To that end, I hope his tragic past only explains his corrupted future but doesn't excuse it. Then again, how evil Huey may be and how that evil is expressed is one of those topics which can be debated for ages, particularly depending on how one views a human's responsibility towards other humans.

    I'm not sure Chane's origins have ever been explained. And, she could be another homunculus made using Huey's DNA rather than his having actually mated with someone. With all of the different forms homunculi can take, the possibility that one can create a being whose development is similar to a human's rather than accelerated to maturity does exist.

    Not that I know of. The Ironic Light Orchestra deals with Huey's past with Elmer but is before 1710. Considering how 2002 involves the cult that used to torture Elmer when he was a child and whom Huey has knowledge of, it's possible that there will be scenes of their past inserted which fall in that time period should their friendship be explored once more.

    She asked Huey to remove her ability to speak, so that she would never betray any of his secrets.

    More Tick Jefferson do want. The translator mentioned that there was a great deal more from his character in these novels, when I last commented on their post. So, I also want updates. Time willing. I know the sole translator has been insanely busy with exams and whatnot; I'm surprised they actually finished up Chapter 1 as quickly as they did.
     
  12. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    I'm just hoping that Narita doesn't betray his current personality with events from the past. we get a small glimpse of his early persona during Huey's time spent on the Advenna Avis. Now I don't think condescending is the word to describe him, but he did feel sort of cold, calculating, and blunt.

    I'd be a bit weirded out if a young Huey who's in love was acting out in a way that went to much against the kind of person he is currently. I'm really interested more in weather or not he was actually quite cold towards the one that he loved, Monica Campanella.
    Wait a second can all the immortals create Homunculus? I thought that only came with the grand knowledge passed on by the devil. Maiza would know it because he obtained the knowledge directly and Szilard Quates would know it as well because he absorbed Gretto, Maiza's brother.
    The novel ever go into what Chane and Vino did after the whole Graham Specter incident? I'm a die hard of that pairing, was wondering if the two ever showed in time lines that spanned passed the 1930's.
    Tick Jefferson was barely in the anime adaptation which saddened me so, here to hoping the novels do us right and show him more often XD.

    Scissors <3
     
  13. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Although, it's important to note that the events on the Advenna Avis took place after those which occurred in Crack the Flag, so it wouldn't necessarily be a betrayal for him to be warmer in personality. But, I agree to some extent. Huey is a scientist in most every sense of the word, and he does so love to experiment. The cold, detached nature of his character ties directly into this, and it would seem odd for him to be completely without regardless of the trauma that corrupts.

    To this day, he continues to speak somewhat warmly or indulgently with Elmer. At least, in comparison to how he talks with others. I would imagine that such behavior would be similar to how he treats Monica, except a bit exaggerated or romanticized due to how their bond differs.

    The creation of homunculi is born from the research of alchemy. The primary goal of all alchemists was meant to be the search for eternal life, which Ronnie handed down unto Maiza. He did not give him the explicit knowledge of how to make homunculi; although, I would imagine that knowing how to make the elixir would certainly help in figuring out how to make a homunculus.

    In other words, any of the alchemists in the series (especially the immortal ones with all of eternity to waste) is in the field of making homunculi based on their research focus. Depending on their genius and access to data, some are likely to be more successful than others. So, I would say that some of the alchemists can create homunculi due to their obsession with research and study while others won't or can't as their interest in alchemy waned after gaining eternal life. Not to mention the fact that the manufacture of homunculi might have been something they were never actually interested in.

    Yeah, they have children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. As of the present timeline, they are still alive and kicking. For instance, here's a translated excerpt from 2002 where the pair is discussed by Firo and the kids-

    It was beyond saddening. Although, haha, he still managed to become my second favorite character in the series before I'd ever read the novels based on his two extremely minor appearances.

    *snicksnacksnip*
     
  14. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    True enough, speaking of the Advenna Avis, I'm really curious to know how most of the original surviving immortals spent there days; especially during the 1800's (since we get little to no information regarding that specific time period).

    I like to believer Elmer seemingly spent his days at his leisure; looking back fondly on events that even seemed disastrous. I really love the way he doesn't take the whole immortality thing so seriously; more over, he seems to be the character that other older characters wrap nostalgia around. A scene with him seems to always go hand in hand with talks of the past.

    Admittingly, I feel sorta bad for Czeslaw. I'm guessing he was tortured for an extended period of time, spanning the many years after the Advenna Avis voyage. The kid definitely came away with a few screws loose after the whole ordeal, luckily Maiza was able to save him in some way and get him to trust again.
    Speaking of Huey, he was imprisoned during the whole Flying Pussyfoot incident if I'm not mistaken. Was he captured or something? I'm not sure but he sure didn't act like he was taken against his will or under any particular stress.

    He seemed to just be sitting in a cell with his calculating attitude. I think a certain government official even knew of Huey's immortality correct? I wonder why Huey would be so careless, though I digress; it's hard to interpret his actions without an in depth look at his reasoning; which oddly enough always seems to be shrouded in an utterly perplexing mystery.
    Cheers to seeing "1710: Crack Flag" sooner rather than later. It'll most definitely be a delight to those who really enjoy Huey's character and wish to add more information to said fandom. I'm sort of a fan of his myself, less than other particular characters (Firo & Luck <3); though even so, he remains a strikingly enigmatic character I'd like to know more of.
    Ah I see, interesting indeed. I had assumed that one must have obtained the great knowledge in order to create a living homunculus. Apparently alot more homunculi are introduced during 1933's "The Slash". A ton of action in The Slash saga no doubt, can't wait to see it fully translated <3
    Kyaaaaa!
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    After finishing up the first novel I noticed that Narita put in alot of detail not seen in the anime. A travesty indeed =(. Hilariously enough, I found myself chuckling at the dialog between Isaac and Miria; even more so, before reading the novel I thought I wouldn't get into it as much as I did. Honestly, Narita made things very very easy to visualize.
    Miria's adorable parodies <3

    I really loved how the novels got into Firo's head as well, giving accounts from his perspective rather than a third person look. It's most prevalent in Firo's first encounter with Dallas Genoard.

    Don't even get me started on Luck, let me rest my hand we're going to get into him as soon as I'm done with volume four :hurr
     
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  15. Kikyo Some day...

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    /subscribes to best thread ever check
    /rates thread 5 stars check
    /reps Megan for her awesomeness check
    /reads thread for convo - ongoing

    Ah ha! Adele. I can't wait to find out more about her.

    Narita should never stop writing, especially with the Gandor family. :ohpek

    Sympathetic Huey huh? We'll see.. as if I wouldn't just fall under Narita's spell about making characters absolutely wonderful or horrid as he pleases and forces you to feel the same way he does about them lol

    nice to have you aboard now Ralphy. K-chan, hurry up and read. Hi Skylit, yes, re-read them and translate for us talk more.
     
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    you and me both

    It was more Isaac and Miria, imo. Both were immortals, who Czes hated for damn good reasons. But they are both so genuine, honest and childlike and so completely without malice, that they pretty much restored Czes' faith in people in general. Seeing Maiza again, just took whatever bit of self-control he had left and he cried in relief and joy to see an old, reliable friend.

    I don't think that Huey actually cares that he's been imprisoned. He doesn't care much for the Lemures and trusts that Chanet will look out for his best interests where ever she is and what ever she is doing. He can wait forever, literally, in prison.
    There was a library full of books about homunculus creation in Children of the Bottle.
     
  17. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    One of the best threads ever <3

    I would have made it myself, but it wouldn't have been half as good as this. I think this was the right time to do it too, since alot of novel materials already been translated and there seems to be sparatic updates every once in a blue moon.
    She showed up towards the end of the anime correct? If there is going to be a second season of the anime then perhaps animating "The Slash" would be the best thing at this point. though speaking biasly, we all want to see volume four animated; so we can fawn over the greatness that is Luck Gandor XD
    Leads me to wonder when Narita plans on ending the novel series, the guys already passed his 20th novel in the series correct? Hilariously enough, he could publish another twenty novels and they'd still be just tiny fragments within the baccano time line.
    X
    True, I totally forgot the ordeal the three went trough together. Them running around scared shitless because of the Rail Tracer <3
     
  18. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Kiks <3
    Well, we do know how Ninja spent his days. On ice. And, I can easily imagine that Fermet and Czes spent a good majority of their time in a torturer-tortured situation. While the others seemed to have kept themselves occupied being eaten by Szilard. But, I do agree that more backstory during the 1800s would be awesome.
    Haha, I really hope he didn't spend his days in leisure as well as at his leisure. He's so much more fun when he's having adventures. I like to think of him spending his days traveling around the world and getting into all sorts of trouble, which he then makes worse due to his personality.

    I wonder if it has something to do with how his person seems so unchanged despite the years. This goes into a lengthy discussion Kiks and I were having, where I mentioned my views on why Elmer's character is seen as being the only true human by Huey which involved his disconnection from external cause to internal effect.

    More than the torture, I think it was the fact of his eating Fermet and feeling all of the pleasure that this man who he so loved took in torturing him which really screwed Czes up. Oh, and speaking of Czes' development, the scene in Children of the Bottle with him and Elmer on rooftop was at least ten times as poignant to me as his learning to trust Isaac and Miria. Although, that was very touching as well.

    He was captured by an FBI agent, who is (incidentally) another immortal. Amusing.

    It's not just Huey. The government is involved with keeping track of any and all immortals. And, it helps that they have one on their side, as well as how those who became immortal cannot assume false identities.

    At this point, he makes a decent amount of sense to me. But, my hypotheses about his way of thinking could easily be proven wrong, particularly since a lot of my ideas are grounded in Huey's relationship with Elmer and my own identification with Elmer. But, I digress.
    One of my favorite Tick arts out of the far too few which exist <3

    Gah, that scene was so cute and sad. It reminded me of that comforting quality which Maiza has that I brought up to you before. He's like the personification of security in some ways.
    After rereading it a few more times, I find myself growing curiouser and curiouser as to the identity of our mysterious creator.
    Drugs and Dominoes already was animated, but they just made a complete mess of it. So, it's barely recognizable.

    He's written fifteen Baccano! novels, by my count. Crack the Flag only just came out in April.
     
  19. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    I'm guessing that Elmer remains relevant as a character throughout the entire series and not just the duration of the 1930's saga. We'll he's definitely relevant during the early 1700's, however I'm rather curious as to his role during 2002.

    Btw, I loved that little conversation he had with Sylvie. He seems like the type to put himself outside of things. The other characters seem to feel fairly relaxed around him, I'm hoping for him to become more active in later time lines; I'm waiting for full text translations before diving into the later novels.
    Ah right, I recall somewhere at the end of the 1930's "The Rolling Bootlegs", Edward was conversating with two of his supiors who happen to be FBI agents. I think one of them mentioned an FBI member being an immortal, not sure though.
    There can never be enough Tick art =(
    Spoiler:
    # 3 Baccano! by Ryogo Narita

    * 3.1 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs (Full Text)
    * 3.2 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Local Episode
    * 3.3 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Express Episode
    * 3.4 1932: Drugs & The Dominos (Full Text)
    * 3.5 2001: The Children of Bottle
    * 3.6 1933: The Slash ~Cloudy to Rainy~
    * 3.7 1933: The Slash ~Bloody to fair~
    * 3.8 1931 (1932): The Grand Punk Railroad Revisited
    * 3.9 1934: Alice in Jails - Prison Episode
    * 3.10 1934: Alice in Jails - Street Episode
    * 3.11 1934: Peter Pan in Chains - Final Episode
    * 3.12 1705: The Ironic Light Orchestra
    * 3.13 2002: Bullet Garden [A-side]
    * 3.14 193X: A man in the killer (1)
    * 3.15 2002: Blood Sabbath [B-side]
    * 3.16 193X: A man in the killer (2)
    * 3.17 ????: The illusional first and last episode
    * 3.18 193X: A man in the killer (3)
    * 3.19 193X: A man in the killer (4)
    * 3.20 193X: A man in the killer (5)

    * 3.21 1710: Crack Flag

    That list on BakaTsuki confuses me because it lists 21 novels. Is there actually "A man in the Killer" series? If there is and it's taking place during the 1930's saga, I'm wondering what characters the novels focusing on and what the plot's going to be.
     
  20. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Yeah, he plays a major role in all of the different eras at some point. Although, I think that his character is of least importance in the 1930's due to it taking a backseat as the new immortals come to the fore.

    The one where he asked her about bathing in the blood of children to gain her beauty? That was a brilliant exchange :lmao
    Oh yeah, you're right. I hadn't included those in my original/OP list due to them being put out as side novels/a miniseries, but there are certainly the A Man in the Killer releases which plump up Narita's Baccano! numbers past the basic fifteen.
     
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    This stuff sounds interesting, but since just parts of the books are translated I'm not really sure where to begin xD Maybe I should start with the anime and see if it catches my interest?
     
  22. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    ah yes, your right. He didn't really have a pertinent role during the 1930's due to all the new immortals but nonetheless, I still thoroughly enjoyed what little tidbit of screen/page time we get on his character.
    So there like extra novels or something? Special releases I take it, I wonder if they'll ever get translated or if most people would just disregard said novels because they aren't counted within the officially released fifteen currently.

    Crack the Flag came out recently did it not? I wonder if any Raw's hit the net yet. Kinda crazy how apparently Narita takes only about a month to write these incredible volumes. I don't even think he plans any of it, just free writing that allows the characters to move independently of one another. That might be one of the greatest aspects of the series as well, in that; Baccano is not contrived in the least!

    *Looks at Megan, "Blah, I want a Baccano! set now =("

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    Meg, how you feelin about Ladd's character? I know alot of people loath the very core of the guy but I actually find him rather amusing. He cracks some hilarious jokes with that sadistic personality of his. I guess you could say I'm a fan of his XP

    About the novel cuts from the anime, after reading "The Rolling Bootlegs"; I was kinda surprised to see detective Edward cut out, especially since he sort of played a heavy role dialog wise. Also alot of Ennis & Firo inner conjecture was cut as well, seeing some Luck dialog go out the window was also a crying shame, his confrontation with (forgot his name), the guy who was cheating in the poker game against the Gandor three was pretty awesome. <3

    One thing I don't quite understand, in 1932 when the Runorata family was going after Dallas (I think they were in cahoots with a member of the FBI right?), why'd they need Dallas to try to extract the secrets of immortality and not just use Huey who was a "perfect" immortal and was kept away neatly in a cell?

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    Apparently Ronnie met Celty at some point, in the anime?
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    One of the best series ever bro, some may go against me but I think you should watch the anime first. It makes visualizing what goes on in the novels alot easier; though regardless novel > anime.

    The anime adaptation can get a little confusing at times because of the constant time line jumps and such. Volume 1's "1930: The Rolling Bootlegs" has been translated completely and you can even download it, so perhaps you should get into reading it. It's fairly linear time wise, focusing on how all the new immortals came to be.
     
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    Just checked out the first two episodes, don't understand sh*t right now, but I guess I shouldn't yet?
     
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    To put it bluntly, in regards to the anime; it is rather confusing in the beginning. Your introduced to four specific time lines.

    *1711 "The immortal tragedy aboard the Advenna Avis"
    *1930 "Firo & co gain immortality through a set of coincidences"
    *1931 "The transcontinental Flying Pussyfoot massacre"
    *1932 "In search of the bastard, Dallas Genoard"

    If you read the novels all these happenings are easier to understand because it's told linearly (Well in a sense), or rather; each specific novel focuses on a particular time period, while the anime adaptation just mashes everything together confusing viewers who are new to the series.

    Finish the anime and you may have a more broader understanding of things, after you've completed it; head into the novels to round things out. Honestly, it's fairly easy to understand everything once you break all the time lines down and segregate them. Alot of characters move independently of one another and in Baccano!, one plot of the series may have nothing to do with another yet be tied together in someway.

    It's amazing, just finish the anime up and if there's something you don't understand, the ol' Baccano! tards here (Halfhearted, Kikyo, and I <3) will try to explain to the best of our abilities.
     
  25. Kikyo Some day...

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    Hey Ziko, the anime is confusing in the beginning, but you soon get it. And by the end it all makes sense. But yeah, ask when you have a question.. but some of them will be answered by the end of the series.

    Ladd is a wonderful character. He's absolutely abhorrent as a person, but he's so much damn FUN, that it's really hard to not laugh with him when he's covered in blood and killing people.

    A Man in the Killer series? Sounds interesting. I suppose they might have been released as a short story series or specials. Wouldn't be much different from what authors of successful series do here either. But I wouldn't count them as "novels" either, but extras/omake instead.

    Ralphy, the Ronnie and Celty pic doesn't show for me. :(
     
  26. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Ladd <3

    The guy has some of the best dialog ever, especially when he's surrounded by carnage. I love how Vino ends up being the anti Ladd in so many way, by that I mean; Ladd absolutely hates people who believe there not going to die at any point in time and even more so, people who think that he won't kill them at any time.

    Vino believes that the entire world is a mere fragment of his imagination, something he created; hilariously enough, I do sort of believe he thinks this with the very core of his being XD. Anyway more to the point, Vino believes he will never die under any circumstance; which I guess you could say is the direct nemesis of Ladd's character. This also helps in setting up the epic confrontation between them and having Ladd jump off the train to ultimately save his darling love.

    Btw, I don't think I will ever know what the fuck is up with Ladd & Lua's romance. The guy has more than a few screws loose and its just amusing watching them talk to each other and hearing Lua lovingly accept Ladd's lustful death threats XP.

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    On another topic, my heart that is Vino. Truthfully, I almost cried when I saw Chane's carving on the roof of the Transcontinental; in which she stated she'd wait for Clair in Manhatten forever. That was a powerful fucking scene, they may very well be my favorite pairing in the series.
    Mere fanart, though I did here they met at some point in time; Megan would probally know more information on this since I haven't actually been following Drrr! for a long time now.
    Spoiler: Ronnie & Celty <3
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  27. Kikyo Some day...

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    :wtf thanks Ralphy. It's a sweet fanart.

    You know, Lua has more than a few screws loose to accept Ladd's "endearments" as such as well. Woman has some kind of death wish for some reason and Ladd is right up her alley apparently.

    In a lot of ways Vino has more charisma in the novels than the anime, imo. His views and philosophy on life are more thoroughly expounded by Narita and they were cut out of the anime. It'd be great to see more of him. But like Megan, I'd rather see more of other characters who didn't get as much screen time. This happens to also be a common trait of mine, to love the less "important" characters or the really popular ones. lol

    Ennis is another one that it terribly short-changed in the anime. I love her so much in the novels. Tick as well. Narita just writes far too many good characters.
     
  28. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Sounds like a good plan. The novels are a lot more quality than the anime, but watching first will allow you to enjoy the experience more as you won't be focusing on the differences. It really is a great series in all its forms.

    Basically, Kiks has the distinction down of how they are viewed in my experience. One of the ways the difference becomes self-evident to me is in their less than specific dating as compared to the necessarily organized chronology of the rest of the series, along with their numbers going over the normal novel pair system.

    To put it in another way, most of the novels are like albums with A Sides and B Sides (down to the titles being plays on the names of rock bands). They are Narita's discography. In contrast, the Man in the Killer series would be more like a concert tour.

    April 10th.

    I know that awesome guy on Sporelife has the novel, but he hasn't posted his RAWs. To be honest (excluding the illustrations), I'd be more pleased with a translation from him as opposed to RAW scans.

    My feelings toward Ladd take the form of a quiet enjoyment which quickly builds and Builds and BUilds and BUIlds and BUILDs and BUILDS UNTIL IT IS JUST THIS INCREDIBLE LOVE ON THE VERGE OF FRENZY!

    I may be overstating my feelings as I imagined Ladd's scene in the corridors of the Flying Pussyfoot as he gets more and more excited about killing all of the passengers as I typed. But, that's a decent approximation.

    Really? I've never heard of anyone disliking him. From what I've seen he tends to be one of the more popular and beloved personalities in the series.

    That is one of my all-time favorite scenes in the series, so I definitely agree. It was almost as sad to see that cut as to see all of Luck's development in Drugs and Dominoes trashed and replaced with out-of-character reactions which led to his epic defeat of Gustavo being totally destroyed. Maiza also gets the shaft alongside Ennis and Firo, and it is certainly a shame. Narita's version of the characters tends to be so much more interesting and likable.

    In 1932, Dallas was submerged. You must mean 1933?

    And, do you think that Huey would allow himself to be experimented on by anyone or that he wouldn't have safeguards in place should someone attempt to use in him such way? Plus, off the top of my head, the Lemures and Chane would certainly object in a most violent manner. Made worse by the fact of the world's greatest assassin being madly in love with Chane.

    In comparison, we have Dallas. As everyone (even Eve) knows, Dallas is an idiot. Nobody likes or cares about his well-being except for Eve, and she actually signed off on the experimentation. Did I mention that Dallas is an idiot?

    My point is that the Runoratas are only just beginning their human-based research, so it makes more sense for them to start out small rather than move to catch the biggest, most dangerous fish in the alchemic sea.


    They met in the DRRR!! novels. Circa year -70 (1930s).


    Too true :lmao

    Incidentally, the anime version of his character had a more positive impact on my novel-reading than any other outside of Tick. Keiji Fujiwara's acting became Ladd for me in every conceivable way.

    He's such a considerate guy. This way they will be sure to treasure every little moment they have left <3

    It's true love. They were meant for each other <3
     
  29. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    No problem, I was really excited to see it myself <3. I love Ronnie and seeing him appear in any new fanart always sends my heart aflutter. It just so happens that yesterday I gathered some new Baccano! fanart posted on pivix.
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    Speaking of new fanart, I'd imagine your familiar with the new "Crack Flag" novel installation. There's actually a bit of fanart on the actual book itself which I was sufficed to say, extremely surprised to see.
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    I'm wondering just what is it that attracts Ladd to Lua and vice versa. Honestly, I wouldn't mind a little more back story on them; like how they met and events that lead up to there inevitable engagement. Was Lua frightened when she first met Ladd, was it mutual love at first site, Why didn't Ladd just kill her to begin with?

    So many fucking questions!
    I would love to read the "The Grand Punk Railroad" novels but I'm still waiting on the full translation before starting it. I know how Narita's writing gets and I'm sure he included some wonderful details on Vino that was just never explored in the anime adaptation. He remains to this day one of my favorite characters, and not really because he's a badass; I honestly like him because of how he proclaimed his love for Chane and how they ended up being together <3.
    True on so many levels, I loved Ennis in "The Rolling Bootleg" novel. Narita gave her a relevant perspective in the novel series, for example; we get inside her head during many scenes as she elaborates on whats going on as well as stating how she feels about certain situations. I like how she thought about how much she hated Szilard for what he was doing, and the novels even elaborated on how she felt after she absorbed that alchemist Szilard was having trouble with.
    I recall conversating with a few members on MAL and them spewing their distaste for Ladd's character. I was surprised because most would just be utterly attracted instantly to his "baddassness (lol)". I really love him because whenever he talks you can just feel yourself getting wrapped up in his anger.

    Kinda funny to see just how much Specter looks up to him and how their personalities sort of match. Though Specter is a bit fanatical in an odd sort of way and I can't say I like him as much as Ladd, even so; he still holds a special place.
    Apologies, me getting the time line confused again XP
    Honestly speaking, I was kinda pissed when I saw Huey in a cell like that. It felt like he was some sort of immovable character that would end up not playing much of a role later because he was stuck in prison. I think that's when I believed he would be easily experimented on and used by the government as well as the Runorata family, which left an utter distaste in my mouth because I came to adore his character in some fashion or another.

    Apparently he's quite the skilled alchemist even rivaling Szilard; (maybe even greater?). I hear he becomes a little more active during "The Slash", though I have no idea if said information is actually accurate. I kinda like the fact that Ronnie (alchemic devil) takes an interest in him and refers to him as a "Bird of a feather". So I'm really hoping for him to take up Szilards mantle and start antagonizing the story a bit.
     
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  30. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    She is the calm to his storm. He's mentioned before that her presence relaxes him, which is a major attractor for him. And, he's a charismatic, powerful and handsome dominant who can give the beautiful, passive and subordinate Lua all of the love, security and homicidal intent her little heart desires. In a disturbing way, it's quite romantic to be told by a homicidal maniac that he wants to kill you more than anyone else in the world, but he'd rather kill everyone else in the world before killing you.

    No worries. It happens, especially with events that have seen more anime screentime as compared to the little that may be yet available in novel form.

    Eh. He doesn't appear to be stuck in prison to me. It's more like he's just being Huey in prison with his specific environment having little importance. I do think he's an immovable character or a character that attempts to make manufacture an immovable self but in an emotional sense rather than in regards to his actions or influence.
    I think that he's a greater genius than Szilard but lacks the man's overwhelming drive to accomplish a specific goal, so his skills don't see as much use. However, once again due to that lack of a singular goal, Huey's smaller efforts lends themselves to more expansive and diverse rewards.

    He plays a larger role in those particular novels than in others like Drugs and Dominoes or The Rolling Bootlegs. And, I'm curious as to how Tick's brother developed after meeting Huey in The Slash's prologue segments.
     
  31. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    what ever happened to Ladd after the whole "Transcontinental Flying Pussyfoot massacre"? I imagine near the end of "The Grand Punk Railroad Revisited", Narita goes into what happened; specifically Ladd being taken in by the police after being found torn up, yet still alive and kicking via being a survivor of the transcontinental.

    If I'm not mistaken the Baccano! ova releases were a direct anime adaptation of the "The Grand Punk Railroad Revisited" novel correct? Ladd seemed to have been consistently inquiring about Huey's whereabouts. I'm wondering why he's not adamant about finding and inflicting revenge upon Vino who nearly killed him rather than going after Huey Laforet.
    I'm just hoping too see Huey take on a much larger role further down in the story. Well then again, we'll probably be getting some awesome Huey fandom out of the "Crack Flag" novel. In a sense, I guess that'll be enough for now; though I'm really hoping to see some direct confrontational scenes out of him.
    Good to know, speaking of "The Slash". Juding from the scans it would seem as though Vino, Chane, Tick, Ennis + a whole lot of new characters all get important roles which looks pretty cool. I remember you mentioning that the audience gets introduced to Chris Shouldered as well, He's Huey's homunculus if I'm not mistaken; so Huey's bound to have some influence in that novel saga.

    Bah, now I really want to read it but Ive sort of resolved myself to only reading the full text translations. =(

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    Side note: Now that drrr!'s over, how much of the novel series was animated, the whole thing? Or are the Drrr novels still ongoing, spanning past events in the anime....
     
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  32. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    He was apprehended at the end of the novels and is referred to a lot in The Slash by Graham until his return in 1934 Alice in Jails, where he plays a major role. Presumably, there's a jail break of some sort.

    The DVD-only episodes covered a lot of ground not limited to Revisited. For instance, they included bits of The Slash. Once more cutting all signs of Gandor involvement and Tick Jefferson from the storyline despite the major role they play, especially Tick. Not that I'm bitter...

    While he's Huey's homunculus, Chris is more directly tied to the Russo family following his battle with Graham. He basically makes himself Ricardo Russo's bodyguard out of gratitude for her, cough, I mean his caretaking following Chris' defeat. So, I would wager that Huey's role in any situation regarding Chris will lessen with time.

    Why is that?

    Not even close. The anime basically picked specific focal characters, and then adapted two of the major conflicts including those characters for the first and second half of the show. Incidentally, they cut out most other characters and their development or limited that which was shown, excepting what was necessary to keep the plot moving and keep the fans of the focal character serviced. They also cut out pretty much all of the side scenes which weren't directly connected to the two major conflicts.

    And yes, the novels are ongoing and continue on past the anime ending.
     
  33. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Ah, Alice in Jails sounds awesome. By the way, how do you feel about Graham's character? I haven't really encountered anyone who told me they genuinely enjoyed his character and looked upon him fondly. I like him, though I can't say I'm an avid fan of his. He can become a little eccentric and overly compulsive when it comes to all things pertaining to Ladd. Though, when I think about it I am sort of attracted to his eccentric nature in a way, so maybe I am a fan of sorts.

    There seems to be a ton of fanart on him too, others seem to really dig him.
    The novel cuts, to shame :argh

    If anything, I'm most disappointed in the anime team cutting anything pertaining to the Gandors & Tick. They could have gotten more stuff in the anime, but I guess if they were to add more Gandor + Tick fandom parts of the actually story would have to be cut; so I'm sort of torn.

    Either way, Baccano! needs another season :tomacry
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    If there was another season, what would like to see animated?
    I guess I just like reading everything in one shot, especially with a novel like this where happenings are jammed packed with information and action. To just stop abruptly after a chapter and have to wait a very long time for an update would just rub me the wrong way.

    Still though, I don't think this is an excuse. If you really think the partial translations are worth getting into now, then I'll dive right in without questioning it.
    In the end how'd you feel about the Drrr anime adaptation altogether, a rating from you would be interesting indeed.
     
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  34. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    I've seen more than a few fans, if only going by the reps I've gotten when wearing Graham sets in the past. At the very least, I know ezxx liked him. And, I feel as though I should reserve judgment on his character until I read him in novel form; mostly due to the fact that, despite loving Sugita Tomokazu, I didn't think his voice was well-cast. It never fit well for me, and so I had a hard time getting into his character.

    If I had to say what I thought for the time being, he's fun and interesting as most all Narita's characters are. His zaniness makes him a little more appealing than most, as do his lengthy monologues and massive love of Ladd. I'm especially drawn to his "Love and Peace" mantra placed against his innate destructiveness. And, I have a feeling that the scenes where he falls for Sickle will make me like him even more, once they are translated.

    But, at this point, I'm not all that invested in his character, just appreciative. So, I'm a fan but not a devoted one.

    Yeah, the fanart drew me in quite a bit, too :3

    Except for the fact that a large portion of the story that they were trying to adapt (namely Drugs and Dominoes as well as The Slash) deals enormously with the Gandors. So, by making those cuts, they butchered the story as well as the characters. Not only that but the parts they did include could've been adapted accurately and made sense without the length of the screentime being increased rather than replacing the epic with out-of-character nonsense.

    They should have just cut that storyline entirely or done it right in the first time. Best case scenario would've been The Rolling Bootlegs and The Grand Punk Railroad being mashed together in the storytelling form the anime team used for the main series with Drugs and Dominoes along with The Slash receiving a similar treatment in the OVAs but with twice the accuracy of their former incarnations rather than tacking on random scenes from other novels.

    Drugs and Dominoes remade!

    The Slash in its full form!


    Er, everything. It's too difficult to choose just one novel, and it's hard for me to choose novels which I know they would never focus on. For instance, I'd love to see a second season that centered around Maiza's search for the immortals still living post-2000 as the framework for mashing together the plots from Children of the Bottle, The Ironic Light Orchestra, Crack the Flag, and The Bullet Garden/Blood Sabbath. With the latter two being featured in DVD-only OVA releases.

    The reason it's difficult for me to imagine them doing this is how the studio seems to choose the characters they plan on making their centerpiece (possibly even lampshaded by the Vice President of Daily Days in his discussions of where the series should start and who should be the main focus character), and then warping the plot to fit that general focal point. And, I just can't see them marketing a series that was centered around mostly "secondary" characters whom they shafted in the original production.

    What about you?

    I have no willpower when it comes to Baccano!, and I love reading and rereading anything and everything as I wait for new releases. So, I'm pretty much the opposite.
    Haha, it would give you more insight into a good number of characters. But, if you want to wait, then feel free. I just imagine that it will be a very, very long wait. Have you not read Children of the Bottle then? For some reason, I had the impression you'd tried out that awesome guy on Sporelife's translations.

    It would be difficult. Having completed it, I can at least say that I think it's inferior to Baccano! by a wide margin, but I can understand why it's more popular. If only due to the characters and setting being more relatable to most (particularly with how accurately the environment was reconstructed as compared to Narita's New York) and the series being more fanservice-based (even just in the novel) as compared to Baccano!.
     
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    I'm not all that familiar with VA's, but if you had to cast someone to do Graham's voice who would you choose and why. I'd imagine someone with a more mischievous undertone, by the way; Koyasu Takehito as Luck was pure heaven <3.
    Either way, cheers to seeing Ladd more in the future; specifically in "Alice in Jails". I can't wait for some translations to pop up, though we may be waiting for sometime. I think there was a Ladd color page in that novel if I'm not mistaken, it does look like the novels plot direction's heading for a jail break :3.
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    *You rocked it so well in you set before =P
    Blatant butchery!

    I'm torn up about it, though I still loved the anime adaptation despite all it novel faults. In the end, I can't really hate on the anime production team either, they probably had a limited budget, a limited frame of time, and mind bottling story arrangement (As well as giving certain scenes priority over others). I wish they could have got the stuff that we loved in there but what can you do right, bah!
    Crack Flag & The Slash

    Admittingly, you turned me into a Huey fan; especially after all the wonderful conversations we had on him. Ive come to adore him though I understand so little.

    What's his plans for the future, how exactly does he feel when reflecting on his past, how does he truely feel about Chane, does he regret becoming Immortal, why the distant gaze and observant look that sets him apart from everyone else (Personality change due to happening's in "Crack Flag" perhaps? Ronnie (devil) takes an interest in him and there conversation aboard the Advena Avis was <3).
    I choppily skimmed it after those guys over on Baccano!'s live journal told me to check it out, by the way those guys spoil everything XP. I also looked over some early Slash stuff because some Vino tards told me he had a big role there. I didn't really retain to much information and my memories a bit hazy, I'm also unfamiliar with alot of the newer characters like Chris Shouldered.

    Your right, I'm going to have to get into reading the partial translations like now XP
    I didn't finish it yet, still on episode thirteen. I haven't checked it out in a while because I was focusing on catching up on my manga reads. Though, I guess the times appropriate to get back into the series and wrap it up. I can definitely see why its more popular than Baccano!, since its sorta more relatable (to Japanese people, I suppose; the fandoms surrounding certain characters, plot appeal, ect.....).
     
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    I'd have to see more of his personality in the novels to form an opinion on that one. I'm not certain I would want more mischief. From what we have seen, Graham seems to be incredibly straightforward with little talent for the subtlety required for mischief-making outside of the Isaac and Miria variety. To that end, most of his scheming appears simple, and he looks to be the sort of person who is easily influenced. My issue with Sugita was that he just sounds too mature and too contrived as Graham; the fact that he's acting rather than living the role comes across too clearly. This is especially a problem for me due to that frankness I see in Graham.
    Basically my all-time favorite casting.

    Miria attempting to break Isaac out of jail will be hilarious and heartwarming. As will be any escape plans Isaac comes up with. Like digging his way out with spoon or something equally ridiculous.
    Ah, you mean this?

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    And, I loved playing with that image and that artist's work in general.



    Excellent!

    Oh, and I'm on the fence as regards how much I like him. I know I do like him to some extent, but I am mostly just overwhelmingly interested in his character and actions.

    I don't think he feels much of an anything for Chane, excepting vague appreciation for her actions which aid him. But, not personal appreciation so much as appreciating how well the thing he brought into existence has done in exceeding his own expectations in serving its purpose. And, I would imagine that the distance is caused by his willfully choosing to be unaffected, based on how I perceive his feelings towards humanity as being desirable, his perception of Elmer as the only true human, and the one quality of Elmer's which no one else possesses that Huey knows of.

    No worries. He hasn't appeared in the translated novel excerpts yet.
     
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    My apologies, I was misunderstanding his character archetype. He causes mischief for everyone else but this doesn't necessarily mean he has a mischievous personality and or dialectual undertone. You are 100% correct in your deduction of him being a more strait forward character than most.
    Haha, I can see Isaac doing something like that. Here's hoping the "Alice in Jails" saga will be over the top and packed with some epic moments XD. I wonder how Isaac even ended up in prison? Something happened to him towards the end of "The Slash" series I'm assuming......
    Absolutely wonderful, dear God; how did you manage to create that blood effect? A texture I'm guessing, either way it looks absolutely gorgeous. I take it you've edited more of that artist's work, yes? If you don't object do post more of your Baccano! edits, they are indeed wonderful =)
    Agreed, more over I'm very interested in his future plans and the actions he plans to take that coincide along with this. Will he become a more prominent future antagonist? Who knows really, though after "Crack Flag" we should hopefully have a more broader understanding of his character and can presumably determine why he is the way he is.
    When Huey asked Elmer if he could make Chane smile, I though he was saying that out of some comforting love for his daughter; or at least that's what I had assumed. At that point, while he was melancholically sitting in his cell discussing certain things with Elmer, I started to think he actually cared for her a little.

    Though apparently, Huey never once told Chane he loved her. So I'm more that likely wrong on all of this XP

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    I'm doing a little summer cleaning in this room of mine, after this; I'll head into the partial novel translations. It should give me a more general understanding of things and we'll have more too talk about XD
     
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    No need for apologies. And, you may turn out to be right that he has a bit of a devious streak, as we haven't seen him in the novels yet. Besides, wanting a character to be portrayed more of a certain way in the adaptation can be all about personal preferences anyways :3

    I imagine him attempting to escape with his spoon as Miria or someone else breaks in more explosively, causing his route to be completed instantaneously. Meeting Miria halfway, he brags about how he managed to dig out of his cell, and she fawns over him gleefully with a, "Sugoi!". But, anyways, whatever the scenario, I'm sure it will be glorious.

    That might explain why a number of characters were in jail at the same time. Beyond Ladd, who has been in residence since The Flying Pussyfoot massacre. But, I guess, it had to happen eventually with the police force so dedicated to capturing Isaac and Miria, those diabolical masterminds.

    After we were talking about Ladd earlier, I had to go back and reread the prologue to Alice in Jails. And, man, he is such a badass. I want more scans of him with his prosthetic arm D:
    Thanks muchly. I hand-drew (well, finger-drew it as I just use a laptop touchpad for all my cursoring needs) it using a couple of different splatter brushes and reds, then edited and erased with a couple of different splatter brushes followed by adding some lighting effects where the added textures didn't mesh.

    I wouldn't object only I don't save what I don't use or plan to use. As in, I'll play with an image for an hour in Photoshop, and then trash it once playtime is over. So, I'm not sure what remains excepting that which I've worn for sets or planned to wear in future sets. And, the latter is a folder that I delete regularly as I decide to give the contents a pass, when I look over them again.

    But, I'll check my old laptop to see if anything remains sometime today, and check in my folder for used sigs.

    Kiks was suggesting this in the SL Convo thread, as well. At this point, I have a hard time imagining him doing so, because I don't see what would motivate him. Not that I can't see him working in his self-interest to the detriment of others but that none of his goals heretofore have been focused enough or aggressive enough to earn him a Big Bad badge, so it's hard for me to imagine why he would suddenly take the title upon himself.

    Because, knowing Huey, he would realize exactly what position he was taking as he took it.

    Not to be monotonous, but I'll have to read the novel version when it's translated to give my real interpretation. The anime (which, at this point as I'm continually criticizing it, I should probably say that I did adore and do love the adaptation to pieces; I just am much more mad about the novel) tended to shed a more sympathetic light on Chane (possibly due to the fact that Narita didn't like her until the end of The Grand Punk Railroad, but the anime studio adapted her as a focal character for the series). So, until I read it in the novel, I'm skeptical about that scene and how it was acted.

    But, I would still say that the words could be more important regarding Huey's bond with Elmer than his feelings for Chane. Rather than asking Elmer to make Chane smile, it was a little tease towards Elmer in the vein of, 'I bet you could make her (so passive and stoic in appearance) smile," or, "Will you try to even make her smile?". This would have been spoken in a similar manner as his earlier tease on the Advenna Avis about how he couldn't speak like Elmer could, following Maiza's reveal that he will not share the information which was given unto him by the great demon, Ronnie.

    If it was a line for Chane, then it could just as easily be an expression of that appreciation I was talking about earlier rather than anything approaching love. Like giving an animal food, so that it will continue to live and work for you.

    Oh, and a sidenote, my reason for continually referencing Huey and Elmer's bond is that they spend more novels together than most any other set of friends. And, it's rare for one to appear in a title without the other being mentioned in conjunction at some point. So, due to how often it shows up, I see their bond as being of great importance. Particularly as Huey isn't one to let himself get attached.
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  39. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Kyaa! XD
    Spoiler: Made up Isaac+Miria dialog
    I can't wait to see how Narita handles the dialog in the "Alice in Jails" saga. Should be infinitely entertaining to say the least XD.
    There seems to be alot of fanart pertaining to Ladd and his prosthetic arm. Having a seemingly indestructible limb will only add more damaging abilities to his already incredibly brutish nature.
    Spoiler: Ladd <3
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    Hehe, I'm sort of the same. Though, my set editing tends to be completely hit or miss entirely XD. I edited a few Baccano! images in the past put nothing solid enough to use for a set, I'd have to be extremely lucky to come away with a set I actually like and would use. Sucks too, because I tend to spend quite a large amount of time in Photoshop; all for not XP.
    Please do, the Luck + Eve set was absolute win indeed ;33
    I see what you mean, from what Ive seen he doesn't seem like the type to directly and perpetually antagonize events themselves. He's more like the calm & collected observer of said events, watching all the while from a distance. All this sort of gives his character a distinct allure, the more fandom I get on him the better.
    Spoiler: Speaking of Huey, image I'm trying to set edit but no luck XD
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    Btw, can Huey use astro projection? He's seen conversing with Chane aboard the Flying Pussyfoot, was wondering weather that was an Alchemist power feat or not.
    Ah, looking at it from your perspective does clarify Huey's feelings a bit. Though, I take it, it's definitely certain that he had one genuine love in his life. His early past might help us gain a further understanding of the person he is now. We could examine his character all day and it still wouldn't be enough XD, here's waiting for the epic that is "Crack Flag" <3.
     
  40. Kikyo Some day...

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    I understand now how memos and the others felt in the convo thread when Megan and I talked Baccano there. One really doesn't want to interrupt the flow of conversation between people. :lmao
     
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    Haha, it wouldn't be an interruption! It would be contribution :3

    Actually, it's the fact that the prosthetic seems so simplistic and like it should make for such an obvious handicap that Ladd's badassery and violence becomes even more chilling for me. The whole "using the exposed bone to attach the arm" part helps that feeling along, as well.

    Actions which align him more with Ronnie, fo' sure.

    Not that I know of.

    It could be he was predicting the situation she would be in, how she would be feeling, what she would need to hear and what he had told her in the past which she would recall to answer any qualms she may have, while she was recalling or understanding what his answers would be to her unspoken questions at the same time. And, they just made the scene appear as though it was a dialogue, when it was actually two parallel monologues.

    It could relate to the mental ties between homonculus and creator, meaning that Chane is not-so human after all. Depending on how you define human, of course. Haha.

    It could be astral projection.

    Anyone's guess until translations for the scene start to crop up, I suppose.

     
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    Horribly late reply, twas busy with things ;33
    I'd welcome anyone who wanted to talk Baccano! with us. I believe Megan and I agree that such conversation is of course encouraged <3.
    I wonder if Ladd ever meets Isaac in prison. If they do, I wouldn't know what to expect from such characters meeting each other XD. A collaborated jail break between those two would be one for the history books indeed. it'll be interesting to see how Narita handled the "Alice in Jails" novels, I'm here anticipating it greatly =).
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    By the way, what are the chances that the Baccano! novels will ever be licensed in the states and put out officially for purchase. I'm sure it'll be alot more profitable/popular that other titles that have gotten licensed, wonder why no one tries to obtain those rights =(
    Ronnie fandom Kyaaa!!!!
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    Ah, I see. I was thoroughly confused by that whole scene entirely. I know Szilard never showed an "Astral" like power feat before. Even with his own created Homunculus Ennis, he had to touch her forehead in order to exchange/share information if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully the novels make an attempt to clear that scene up a bit, if the novel focuses more on Chane's perspective, then we may get our answer as to what method Huey was using to communicate.

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    Spoiler: Russian Roulette <3
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    Nice to see a fanart depicting such an amazing scene. The anime should have never cut anything having to do with the Gandor's. A crime I say, an utter Crime!!!!
     
  43. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Fear on Isaac's part masked by bravado and inappropriate media references? The thought of him slapping Ladd on the back in a fit of camaraderie is unlikely to come true but mucho amusing. And, I'm not sure if they meet one another. I know Ladd and Firo interact.

    Spoiler: Novel scan
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    Highly improbable but not impossible. It irritates me that Vamp! was actually licensed already rather than Baccano!, but the publishers apparently never followed through with the release. I have it on pre-order, once it does get published though.

    And, I'm hoping that the large Japanese fandom for DRRR!! will be mirrored by a similar burst in American love-love for the series, because I'm banking on Narita's work getting more attention from English publishers as the adaptations become more popular. But still, highly improbable that it will happen anytime soon. Alas.

    I would again state that Huey's genius far outstrips Szilard. So, being able to connect mentally over distances rather than using touch could be a possibility based on the fact that such a connection is in any way possible in the first place.

     
  44. Kikyo Some day...

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    oh yes, I completely agree. I don't mind at all if someone jumps in on the convo. But now I also see from memosh's perspective at as well. You just don't want to. lol

    In any case. I had a Baccano! related epiphany today when the radio played "Some Kind of Wonderful" by Grand Funk Railroad. I literally :facepalm myself when I realized that was why I thought Grand Punk Railroad sounded so familiar. :lmao

    For Chane from Claire

     
  45. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Oh Kiks (and K-chan by extension) <3

    Haha, that's similar to what I went through when I came to the realization that all of the novel titles were plays on band names. Lots of facepalming and laughter. As of now, I think the list runs as follows:

    The Rolling Bootlegs - The Rolling Stones
    The Grand Punk Railroad - Grand Funk Railroad
    Drugs & Dominoes - Derek and the Dominoes
    Children of the Bottle - Children of Bodom
    The Slash - The Clash
    Alice in Jails - Alice in Chains
    Peter Pan in Chains - Alice in Chains
    The Ironic Light Orchestra - The Electric Light Orchestra
    Blood Sabbath - Black Sabbath
    Bullet Garden - Sound Garden
    Crack the Flag - Black Flag

    The only one I'm lost on is Another Junk Railroad, unless it's just another reference to Grand Funk Railroad.

    Also, what do you think the significance is of having the titles of the novels be the names of bands? I wonder if the band choice itself has anything to do with the story's contents, or if it was just done because it sounds very cool.


    Oh Claire (and Chane by extension) <3
     
  46. Kikyo Some day...

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    yep, I've been doing that tonight too. :amuse

    but your list is more complete than mine. :laugh

    I'm not familiar with Derek and the Dominoes or Children of Bodom. And I think it's probable Grand Funk Railroad has 2 novels paying homage to it.

    Narita wouldn't be the first (or last) author to draw inspiration from other media and pay homage in some way. It could be as simple as he was listening to the Stones as he wrote the first novel and found that a little word play could title the novel as well. Then he thought... hey maybe it's fate, I should title all the novels that way! lol I can sorta see that he might have on some music when writing, as the Gandors do manage a jazz club and the speakeasies always had singers and bands as well.

    Not being familiar with all the bands, or all the contents of the novels, I can't say for sure if they are related. But it seems a bit unlikely to me. I'm not even sure that Narita listens to all of them. It's an eclectic mix of music and genre, ELO especially stands out, the rest could be called "general" rock.
     
  47. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Blues-rock band formed around 1970 by Eric Clapton. It was actually one of odder musical choices from my perspective, as all of the other bands are harder rock in style or theme (comparatively). Derek and the Dominoes was all about the wife-stealing love songs and vocal harmonies.

    But, I suppose, when I think of the emotions contained in Drugs and Dominoes, there is definitely quiet love (i.e. Keith and Kate <333) and not-so quiet love (i.e. Edith and Roy) and the start of a true love (i.e. Chane and Claire) and incredible sibling love (i.e. the Gandors; Eve and Dallas; Lia and Fan)...

    Huh, there's a lot of love in that novel.

    Finnish heavy metal band.

    And, that's good enough for me!

    True enough. Still, it leads me to want to reread the novels with the various bands playing to see the possibilities that might leap out. The most interesting right from the start was probably Crack the Flag and Black Flag. Even if the band choices have nothing to do with the novel itself beyond BGM, I like that a novel centered around Huey and Elmer pays homage to a hardcore punk band widely known for its nonconformist message and themes of isolation.

    And, having the Electric Light Orchestra with such songs as "Evil Woman", "Strange Magic", "Can't Get It Out Of My Head", "Turn To Stone" for a novel where-

    Spoiler: Ironic Light Orchestra Spoilers
    -we discover that Huey's mother was burned at the stake as a witch, which begins his psychological corruption and apparent sociopathy that's worsened by Monica's probable death in Crack the Flag,


    -is pretty wonderful.

    I wouldn't say it's all that eclectic. I mean, every single band is a part of the umbrella genre of rock with the less well-known artists all being a bit hardcore and the the softer choices coming from internationally acclaimed rock staples. If there was a pop artist thrown in or a classical reference or something that was legitimately blues rather than blues-rock, then I would be more likely to agree.

    But, I do agree that the names could be chosen for no other reason than their being interesting.
     
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    New translations posted!

    Apparently, Baka-tsuki has welcomed a new translator to the Baccano! project a little over a week ago. And, they are focusing their efforts on Alice in Jails. Serious focus. There's already a whole bunch of the volume posted, from the introductory vignettes up through Prologue III (excluding Prologue II which has already been translated by that awesome guy on Sporelife).

    As if that weren't enough, dawnelkin has also updated X of The Slash <3
     
  49. Alveare I like headbands.

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    IT'S FRIGGIN' UNBELIEVABLE!!:nuts

    I officially love you. Now I have some catching up to do...
     
  50. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Damn everyone's in prison pretty much XD. Shit's going to hit the fan in a major way, I have to wonder what role Firo's going to play when everything goes down. Whether characters are going to rally together to make for a bust, a free for all with rambunctious confusion on all sides, or the likely help from the outside.

    Though the "Alice in Jails" plot could become something else entirely, since I have a very dismal understanding of what's going on in said novel.
    The thought of Narita sitting there writing each novel with a specific band in mind does tickle me so. As in for instance, trying to take influence and mirror the brash and heavily distorted sound of Alice in Chain's in conjunction to the Alice in Jail's novels. Though if this were the case, we would probably see distinct differences in the mood of each novel.

    Well we kinda do I guess, "The Rolling Bootlegs" definitely feels more refined and mellow as opposed to lets say "The Grand Punk Railways". But alas, I'm more than likely reading too far into things here.
    I wonder how much Narita favors Huey as a character. He seems to give him a ton of novel time, dedicating two novels too his plight. Narita could have focused on any number of the original immortals during the 1700's period, yet he choose to focus on Huey specifically.
    Spoiler: A fucking miracle
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    I didn't see Baccano! on MU's manga update list so you caught me by surprise. I'm going to head into Alice in Jails now <3
     

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