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  1. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Baccano!



    Author: Narita Ryohgo
    Illustrator: Enami Katsumi
    Genre: Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy
    Translators: Baka-Tsuki (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano#Updates) (translation updates posted at LJ Community (http://community.livejournal.com/baccano/)), Sporelife (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/), InProgress (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/)
    Novel(s): 15


    Bold text = Fully translated
    Italicized text = In the process of being translated

    1. 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs


    • Full text (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume1_Full_Text)
    2. 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad (Local Chapter)

    • First Class Lounge ~Men in Black~ (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume2_Color1)
    • Business Class Lounge ~Men in White~ (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume2_Color2)
    • Economy Class Lounge ~Men in Rags~ (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume2_Color3)
    • Epilogue I (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume2_Chapter1)
    3. 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad (Express Chapter)

    • Reminiscence ~The Boy~ (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume3_Color1)
    • Reminiscence ~The Woman in Work Wear~ (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume3_Color2)
    • Epilogue II (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume3_Epilogue2)
    • Translator's Notes and References (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume3_Translator%27s_Notes)
    4. 1932: Drugs and Dominoes

    • Full Text (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume4)
    5. 2001: Children of the Bottle

    • Color Pages (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/03/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-color.html)
    • Preface and Prologue (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/03/i-give-this-translation-314-points-out.html)
    • Chapter 1 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/03/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter.html)
    • Chapter 2 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/03/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter_29.html)
    • Chapter 3 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/04/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter_12.html#more)
    • Chapter 4 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/09/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter.html)
    • Chapter 5 (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/10/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle-chapter.html#more)
    • Epilogue (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/10/baccano-2001-children-of-bottle.html)
    6. 1933: The Slash (Cloudy to Rainy)

    • Conversation: Brothers (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Color1)
    • Conversation: Elderly and Grandchild (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Color2)
    • Conversation: Father and Daughter (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Color3)
    • Conversation: Brother and Sister (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Color4)
    • Prologue: Older brother (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Prologue1)
    • Prologue: Younger brother (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Prologue2)
    • Prologue: Only daughter (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Prologue3)
    • Chapter 0 (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Chapter0)
    • Chapter 1 (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Chapter1)
    • Chapter 2 (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume6_Chapter2)
    7. 1934: The Slash (Bloody to Fair)

    8. 1934: Alice in Jails (Imprisoned Chapter)


    • About Firo Prochainezo: Recollections of the Gandor Brothers (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Intro1)
    • About Ladd Russo: Graham Spector's Rant (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Intro2)
    • About Huey Laforet: The Joyful Reminiscence of Elmer C. Albatross (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Intro3)
    • About Victor Talbot: Recollections from Nile, in the 21st Century (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Intro4)
    • Prelude: At the Intelligence Agency (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Prelude)
    • Prologue 1: Camorrista (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Prologue1)
    • Prologue 2: Thug (http://anonspore.blogspot.com/2010/04/baccano-1934-alice-in-jails-sneak-peek.html)
    • Prologue 3: Assassin (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Prologue3)
    • Prologue 4: Unspecified Time (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baccano:Volume9_Prologue4)
    9. 1934: Alice in Jails (Street Chapter)

    10. 1934: Peter Pan in Chains (Conclusion Chapter)

    11. 1705: The Ironic Light Orchestra

    • Color Pages and Prologue: Death of the Body (http://evaluative.blogspot.com/2010/08/of-note-i-do-not-profess-to-be-super.html#more)
    • Chapter 1 (http://evaluative.blogspot.com/2010/08/ironic-light-orchestra-chapter-1.html#more)
    12. 2002: The Bullet Garden (A Side)

    • Color Pages 1 (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/8/), 2 (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-color-page-2-of-3/), and 3 (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-color-page-3-of-3/)
    • Table of Contents (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-%E2%80%93-table-of-contents/)
    • Epilogue I (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/78/)
    • Prologue I (http://scythe244.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/baccano-2002-a-side-bullet-garden-%e2%80%93-prologue-1/#more-93)
    13. 2002: Blood Sabbath (B Side)
    14. 1931: Another Junk Railroad (Special Express Chapter)
    15. 1710: Crack the Flag

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    RAW Novel Downloads: 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0cueyzjmv2i) 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ymnmhy4kzud) 3 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wmygtgzjjxm) 4 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zdmjumzdcyy) 5 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?imndmyym3vz) 6 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rjemm5nzynx) 7 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zmmarmthoqz) 8 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wlyzroy4vll) 9 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mzjzdewu4kj) 10 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?eowmrgmiyjz) 11 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?m0d4m4cxhej) 12 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tznzv2qwylz) 13 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?igvtmmvdzmz) 14 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tohk1nwyzkm)

    Translated Novel Downloads:
    1. 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs - MF (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rmaommwu03z) MU (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QQZR70Q0)
    4. 1932: Drugs and Dominoes - MF (http://www.mediafire.com/file/2oymz3e1lhh/1932%20Drugs%20&%20The%20Dominos.pdf) MU (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0S5IUZIA)
     
  2. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    The greatest thread here by far <3

    Megan, You read "Children of the Bottle" yet? If so how's it been thus far, I'm starting to get a little confused with the timeline again and apparently Narita introduces a truckload of new characters, (New immortals perhaps?)

    Spoil me I don't mind :iria
     
  3. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Oh yes! I've been following it since that awesome guy on Sporelife first released the prologue.

    It's wonderful! The focus is placed more on the characters of Elmer, Maiza, Sylvie, Nile (who gets his ass kicked by Shizuo in a DRRR!! novel), and Czes with the new characters and the town they live in serving as the framing conflict. It's mostly dealing with Maiza's search for the other immortals post-2000 and the mysterious circumstances of this tiny town's isolation along with Elmer's adventures (and absolute evil nature which many find to be quite annoying) therein being explored.


    Moved conversation from previous thread to this one...

    "The Slash" Chapter 1 Discussion (latest update)

    I can't wait until we get an explanation for why Dallas is sprawled out on the floor, hopefully in pain. It was something that made me chuckle a bit when I noticed it in the anime.

    My question exactly. But, the anime did enjoy cutting him out of any and every scene he appeared in the novels but the bare minimum. So, perhaps, he was in audience but not shown. A sad missed opportunity to see Tick and Maria side-by-side.

    That's Adele.

    Spoiler: Spoilers
    She's a homunculus created by your favorite alchemist, Huey, who fights Maria in the novel.

    It's interesting that they are giving Ronnie more of a possibility for character development. I'm still hoping that Narita one day writes a novel detailing his history, after making a thousand more novels surrounding the Gandors,Tick, Elmer, etc. of course.
     
  4. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Wish he would translate more often, I think he stated that he was taking a break from his translations; I hope he'll be back soon. Then again BakaTsuki could always surprise us with some random chapter updates <3
    The Baccano! and Drrr! verse overlap right? Narita's crossing the two between novels? I had no idea. The guys a fucking genius, still though I have to admit I'm a little weary of the Vamp! novels. The thought of a vampire story doesn't really sit well with me, maybe because it's never been done right.

    I'll hold my tongue until Ive read it, hopefully Narita can pull through on that one!
    More immortals <3

    Speaking of new characters, who's this guyI always see a bunch of fanart on the guy, he was introduced in "Children of the Bottle" right? He looks sort of vamperic, especially in the eyes; I was wondering if he was one of the new immortals as well.
     
  5. Skylit oh boy

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    Christopher Shouldered. My favorite Character.

    If I remember right, he's immortal and has something to do with Graham. [i don't remember what he has to do with him, sorry]

    I should reread the novels, eh?
     
  6. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Same here. Although, I'm grateful for his work so far. He seems to translate Narita's voice more faithfully than anyone else I've seen. But, more than anything, I'm hoping that he won't discontinue translating after finishing Children of the Bottle. He owns Crack the Flag and that is one of my most anticipated novels for translation. Not to mention Alice in Jails.

    My favorite thing about Baka-Tsuki is that they appear to have a bias for all that is Gandor. So, any new updates from them are always fabulous. I wonder if they will translate all of The Slash or just the first novel.

    The Baccano! and DRRR!! verses do overlap, and they also overlap with the Vamp! verse (i.e. a succubus visits Ikebukuro). DRRR!! novels are generally where the cross-overs take place from what I can tell.
    His name is Chris Shouldered.
    Spoiler:
    He's one of Huey's homunculi made from a cross between human and dolphin DNA. Not from Children of the Bottle, he actually appears in the earlier Baccano! timeline during the Alice in Jails saga, where he's mostly involved with the characters of Graham (they fight as Graham appears to pose a problem for Huey's plans) and Ricardo Russo (he chooses to serve as the child's bodyguard).
     
  7. Memos Active Member

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    Beautiful thread :iria

    As much as I love the Baccano! anime, I have been held back from the light novels thanks due to both my astounding laziness and also the inability to find properly translated novels till recently (Kiki <3).

    I didn't even know there was so much out there in english already.

    Should I begin reading the novels in any particular order? I'm guessing the OP has them in the correct order.
     
  8. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    That takes place in the 1700's right? If so then that's way back when the elixir was first conjured up right, have any idea what the plot of that novels going to be? I was hoping to get some more information on the (devil?) "Apparition that appears to Maiza and bestows unto him the secrets of immortality".

    Wait I forget, wasn't the (devil?) in human form during the whole 1930's saga?
    Hold that thought, insert Gandor baddassery here <3Btw meg, your edit was insane :hurr *insider
    The best :canttouchthis
    Now you can download the entire first novel and give it a try, definitely think about getting into it now bro. Easily once of the best series Ive ever read, ever.
     
  9. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    The order in the OP is the order of release, so technically correct, I suppose.

    It takes place in 1710. You are right that this is around the time when members of the group sailing on the Advenna Avis start to join together with Fermet, Begg, and Czes being a part of the same collective Huey joins. It also goes further into his early friendship with Elmer and Monica Campanella. And, with witch hunters appearing-

    Spoiler:
    -probably her last appearance as well. What I've read about this novel points to it being the time during which Huey fell from grace in a sense. So, I would imagine he loses his love in Monica to the witch hunters.


    Yep, that would be Ronnie. He is to remain by Maiza's side due to a wish made by Elmer, when he fell from the Advenna Avis. And, he's appearing more often in The Slash.
    Haha, thanks. If there is one thing I don't mind spending all day editing, it would be images of Luck Gandor <3
     
  10. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Hehe, we both know the Baccano! timeline was never linear nor conventional :LOS
    "1710: Crack Flag" aims to pull the heartstrings indeedLet me backtrack for a second, Chane Laforet is Huey's legitimate child correct? She was not born unto Monica since obviously something happened to her back in 1710. Did the novels ever go into what Huey did after 1710, but prior to 1931's flying pussyfoot incident. More directly his life around the time Chane was born.

    I keep forgetting important details, how did Chane loss her voice again, Some promise with her father right?

    Ah yes, Ronnie. I wanted to get more into his character, good thing he becomes more relevant in "The Slash". Hopefully Baka will get off their lazy hordes and finish it up XP
     
  11. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    I'm interested in seeing how sympathetic Narita will try to make Huey. To that end, I hope his tragic past only explains his corrupted future but doesn't excuse it. Then again, how evil Huey may be and how that evil is expressed is one of those topics which can be debated for ages, particularly depending on how one views a human's responsibility towards other humans.

    I'm not sure Chane's origins have ever been explained. And, she could be another homunculus made using Huey's DNA rather than his having actually mated with someone. With all of the different forms homunculi can take, the possibility that one can create a being whose development is similar to a human's rather than accelerated to maturity does exist.

    Not that I know of. The Ironic Light Orchestra deals with Huey's past with Elmer but is before 1710. Considering how 2002 involves the cult that used to torture Elmer when he was a child and whom Huey has knowledge of, it's possible that there will be scenes of their past inserted which fall in that time period should their friendship be explored once more.

    She asked Huey to remove her ability to speak, so that she would never betray any of his secrets.

    More Tick Jefferson do want. The translator mentioned that there was a great deal more from his character in these novels, when I last commented on their post. So, I also want updates. Time willing. I know the sole translator has been insanely busy with exams and whatnot; I'm surprised they actually finished up Chapter 1 as quickly as they did.
     
  12. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    I'm just hoping that Narita doesn't betray his current personality with events from the past. we get a small glimpse of his early persona during Huey's time spent on the Advenna Avis. Now I don't think condescending is the word to describe him, but he did feel sort of cold, calculating, and blunt.

    I'd be a bit weirded out if a young Huey who's in love was acting out in a way that went to much against the kind of person he is currently. I'm really interested more in weather or not he was actually quite cold towards the one that he loved, Monica Campanella.
    Wait a second can all the immortals create Homunculus? I thought that only came with the grand knowledge passed on by the devil. Maiza would know it because he obtained the knowledge directly and Szilard Quates would know it as well because he absorbed Gretto, Maiza's brother.
    The novel ever go into what Chane and Vino did after the whole Graham Specter incident? I'm a die hard of that pairing, was wondering if the two ever showed in time lines that spanned passed the 1930's.
    Tick Jefferson was barely in the anime adaptation which saddened me so, here to hoping the novels do us right and show him more often XD.

    Scissors <3
     
  13. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Although, it's important to note that the events on the Advenna Avis took place after those which occurred in Crack the Flag, so it wouldn't necessarily be a betrayal for him to be warmer in personality. But, I agree to some extent. Huey is a scientist in most every sense of the word, and he does so love to experiment. The cold, detached nature of his character ties directly into this, and it would seem odd for him to be completely without regardless of the trauma that corrupts.

    To this day, he continues to speak somewhat warmly or indulgently with Elmer. At least, in comparison to how he talks with others. I would imagine that such behavior would be similar to how he treats Monica, except a bit exaggerated or romanticized due to how their bond differs.

    The creation of homunculi is born from the research of alchemy. The primary goal of all alchemists was meant to be the search for eternal life, which Ronnie handed down unto Maiza. He did not give him the explicit knowledge of how to make homunculi; although, I would imagine that knowing how to make the elixir would certainly help in figuring out how to make a homunculus.

    In other words, any of the alchemists in the series (especially the immortal ones with all of eternity to waste) is in the field of making homunculi based on their research focus. Depending on their genius and access to data, some are likely to be more successful than others. So, I would say that some of the alchemists can create homunculi due to their obsession with research and study while others won't or can't as their interest in alchemy waned after gaining eternal life. Not to mention the fact that the manufacture of homunculi might have been something they were never actually interested in.

    Yeah, they have children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. As of the present timeline, they are still alive and kicking. For instance, here's a translated excerpt from 2002 where the pair is discussed by Firo and the kids-

    It was beyond saddening. Although, haha, he still managed to become my second favorite character in the series before I'd ever read the novels based on his two extremely minor appearances.

    *snicksnacksnip*
     
  14. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    True enough, speaking of the Advenna Avis, I'm really curious to know how most of the original surviving immortals spent there days; especially during the 1800's (since we get little to no information regarding that specific time period).

    I like to believer Elmer seemingly spent his days at his leisure; looking back fondly on events that even seemed disastrous. I really love the way he doesn't take the whole immortality thing so seriously; more over, he seems to be the character that other older characters wrap nostalgia around. A scene with him seems to always go hand in hand with talks of the past.

    Admittingly, I feel sorta bad for Czeslaw. I'm guessing he was tortured for an extended period of time, spanning the many years after the Advenna Avis voyage. The kid definitely came away with a few screws loose after the whole ordeal, luckily Maiza was able to save him in some way and get him to trust again.
    Speaking of Huey, he was imprisoned during the whole Flying Pussyfoot incident if I'm not mistaken. Was he captured or something? I'm not sure but he sure didn't act like he was taken against his will or under any particular stress.

    He seemed to just be sitting in a cell with his calculating attitude. I think a certain government official even knew of Huey's immortality correct? I wonder why Huey would be so careless, though I digress; it's hard to interpret his actions without an in depth look at his reasoning; which oddly enough always seems to be shrouded in an utterly perplexing mystery.
    Cheers to seeing "1710: Crack Flag" sooner rather than later. It'll most definitely be a delight to those who really enjoy Huey's character and wish to add more information to said fandom. I'm sort of a fan of his myself, less than other particular characters (Firo & Luck <3); though even so, he remains a strikingly enigmatic character I'd like to know more of.
    Ah I see, interesting indeed. I had assumed that one must have obtained the great knowledge in order to create a living homunculus. Apparently alot more homunculi are introduced during 1933's "The Slash". A ton of action in The Slash saga no doubt, can't wait to see it fully translated <3
    Kyaaaaa!----

    After finishing up the first novel I noticed that Narita put in alot of detail not seen in the anime. A travesty indeed =(. Hilariously enough, I found myself chuckling at the dialog between Isaac and Miria; even more so, before reading the novel I thought I wouldn't get into it as much as I did. Honestly, Narita made things very very easy to visualize.
    Miria's adorable parodies <3

    I really loved how the novels got into Firo's head as well, giving accounts from his perspective rather than a third person look. It's most prevalent in Firo's first encounter with Dallas Genoard.

    Don't even get me started on Luck, let me rest my hand we're going to get into him as soon as I'm done with volume four :hurr
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2010
  15. Kikyo Some day...

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    /rates thread 5 stars check
    /reps Megan for her awesomeness check
    /reads thread for convo - ongoing

    Ah ha! Adele. I can't wait to find out more about her.

    Narita should never stop writing, especially with the Gandor family. :ohpek

    Sympathetic Huey huh? We'll see.. as if I wouldn't just fall under Narita's spell about making characters absolutely wonderful or horrid as he pleases and forces you to feel the same way he does about them lol

    nice to have you aboard now Ralphy. K-chan, hurry up and read. Hi Skylit, yes, re-read them and translate for us talk more.
     
  16. Kikyo Some day...

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    you and me both

    It was more Isaac and Miria, imo. Both were immortals, who Czes hated for damn good reasons. But they are both so genuine, honest and childlike and so completely without malice, that they pretty much restored Czes' faith in people in general. Seeing Maiza again, just took whatever bit of self-control he had left and he cried in relief and joy to see an old, reliable friend.

    I don't think that Huey actually cares that he's been imprisoned. He doesn't care much for the Lemures and trusts that Chanet will look out for his best interests where ever she is and what ever she is doing. He can wait forever, literally, in prison.
    There was a library full of books about homunculus creation in Children of the Bottle.
     
  17. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    One of the best threads ever <3

    I would have made it myself, but it wouldn't have been half as good as this. I think this was the right time to do it too, since alot of novel materials already been translated and there seems to be sparatic updates every once in a blue moon.
    She showed up towards the end of the anime correct? If there is going to be a second season of the anime then perhaps animating "The Slash" would be the best thing at this point. though speaking biasly, we all want to see volume four animated; so we can fawn over the greatness that is Luck Gandor XD
    Leads me to wonder when Narita plans on ending the novel series, the guys already passed his 20th novel in the series correct? Hilariously enough, he could publish another twenty novels and they'd still be just tiny fragments within the baccano time line.
    True, I totally forgot the ordeal the three went trough together. Them running around scared shitless because of the Rail Tracer <3
     
  18. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Kiks <3
    Well, we do know how Ninja spent his days. On ice. And, I can easily imagine that Fermet and Czes spent a good majority of their time in a torturer-tortured situation. While the others seemed to have kept themselves occupied being eaten by Szilard. But, I do agree that more backstory during the 1800s would be awesome.
    Haha, I really hope he didn't spend his days in leisure as well as at his leisure. He's so much more fun when he's having adventures. I like to think of him spending his days traveling around the world and getting into all sorts of trouble, which he then makes worse due to his personality.

    I wonder if it has something to do with how his person seems so unchanged despite the years. This goes into a lengthy discussion Kiks and I were having, where I mentioned my views on why Elmer's character is seen as being the only true human by Huey which involved his disconnection from external cause to internal effect.

    More than the torture, I think it was the fact of his eating Fermet and feeling all of the pleasure that this man who he so loved took in torturing him which really screwed Czes up. Oh, and speaking of Czes' development, the scene in Children of the Bottle with him and Elmer on rooftop was at least ten times as poignant to me as his learning to trust Isaac and Miria. Although, that was very touching as well.

    He was captured by an FBI agent, who is (incidentally) another immortal. Amusing.

    It's not just Huey. The government is involved with keeping track of any and all immortals. And, it helps that they have one on their side, as well as how those who became immortal cannot assume false identities.

    At this point, he makes a decent amount of sense to me. But, my hypotheses about his way of thinking could easily be proven wrong, particularly since a lot of my ideas are grounded in Huey's relationship with Elmer and my own identification with Elmer. But, I digress.
    One of my favorite Tick arts out of the far too few which exist <3

    Gah, that scene was so cute and sad. It reminded me of that comforting quality which Maiza has that I brought up to you before. He's like the personification of security in some ways.
    After rereading it a few more times, I find myself growing curiouser and curiouser as to the identity of our mysterious creator.
    Drugs and Dominoes already was animated, but they just made a complete mess of it. So, it's barely recognizable.

    He's written fifteen Baccano! novels, by my count. Crack the Flag only just came out in April.
     
  19. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    I'm guessing that Elmer remains relevant as a character throughout the entire series and not just the duration of the 1930's saga. We'll he's definitely relevant during the early 1700's, however I'm rather curious as to his role during 2002.

    Btw, I loved that little conversation he had with Sylvie. He seems like the type to put himself outside of things. The other characters seem to feel fairly relaxed around him, I'm hoping for him to become more active in later time lines; I'm waiting for full text translations before diving into the later novels.
    Ah right, I recall somewhere at the end of the 1930's "The Rolling Bootlegs", Edward was conversating with two of his supiors who happen to be FBI agents. I think one of them mentioned an FBI member being an immortal, not sure though.
    There can never be enough Tick art =(
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    # 3 Baccano! by Ryogo Narita

    * 3.1 1930: The Rolling Bootlegs (Full Text)
    * 3.2 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Local Episode
    * 3.3 1931: The Grand Punk Railroad - Express Episode
    * 3.4 1932: Drugs & The Dominos (Full Text)
    * 3.5 2001: The Children of Bottle
    * 3.6 1933: The Slash ~Cloudy to Rainy~
    * 3.7 1933: The Slash ~Bloody to fair~
    * 3.8 1931 (1932): The Grand Punk Railroad Revisited
    * 3.9 1934: Alice in Jails - Prison Episode
    * 3.10 1934: Alice in Jails - Street Episode
    * 3.11 1934: Peter Pan in Chains - Final Episode
    * 3.12 1705: The Ironic Light Orchestra
    * 3.13 2002: Bullet Garden [A-side]
    * 3.14 193X: A man in the killer (1)
    * 3.15 2002: Blood Sabbath [B-side]
    * 3.16 193X: A man in the killer (2)
    * 3.17 ????: The illusional first and last episode
    * 3.18 193X: A man in the killer (3)
    * 3.19 193X: A man in the killer (4)
    * 3.20 193X: A man in the killer (5)

    * 3.21 1710: Crack Flag

    That list on BakaTsuki confuses me because it lists 21 novels. Is there actually "A man in the Killer" series? If there is and it's taking place during the 1930's saga, I'm wondering what characters the novels focusing on and what the plot's going to be.
     
  20. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Yeah, he plays a major role in all of the different eras at some point. Although, I think that his character is of least importance in the 1930's due to it taking a backseat as the new immortals come to the fore.

    The one where he asked her about bathing in the blood of children to gain her beauty? That was a brilliant exchange :lmao
    Oh yeah, you're right. I hadn't included those in my original/OP list due to them being put out as side novels/a miniseries, but there are certainly the A Man in the Killer releases which plump up Narita's Baccano! numbers past the basic fifteen.
     
  21. Ziko Superhero

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    This stuff sounds interesting, but since just parts of the books are translated I'm not really sure where to begin xD Maybe I should start with the anime and see if it catches my interest?
     
  22. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    ah yes, your right. He didn't really have a pertinent role during the 1930's due to all the new immortals but nonetheless, I still thoroughly enjoyed what little tidbit of screen/page time we get on his character.
    So there like extra novels or something? Special releases I take it, I wonder if they'll ever get translated or if most people would just disregard said novels because they aren't counted within the officially released fifteen currently.

    Crack the Flag came out recently did it not? I wonder if any Raw's hit the net yet. Kinda crazy how apparently Narita takes only about a month to write these incredible volumes. I don't even think he plans any of it, just free writing that allows the characters to move independently of one another. That might be one of the greatest aspects of the series as well, in that; Baccano is not contrived in the least!

    *Looks at Megan, "Blah, I want a Baccano! set now =("

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    Meg, how you feelin about Ladd's character? I know alot of people loath the very core of the guy but I actually find him rather amusing. He cracks some hilarious jokes with that sadistic personality of his. I guess you could say I'm a fan of his XP

    About the novel cuts from the anime, after reading "The Rolling Bootlegs"; I was kinda surprised to see detective Edward cut out, especially since he sort of played a heavy role dialog wise. Also alot of Ennis & Firo inner conjecture was cut as well, seeing some Luck dialog go out the window was also a crying shame, his confrontation with (forgot his name), the guy who was cheating in the poker game against the Gandor three was pretty awesome. <3

    One thing I don't quite understand, in 1932 when the Runorata family was going after Dallas (I think they were in cahoots with a member of the FBI right?), why'd they need Dallas to try to extract the secrets of immortality and not just use Huey who was a "perfect" immortal and was kept away neatly in a cell?

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    Apparently Ronnie met Celty at some point, in the anime?
    One of the best series ever bro, some may go against me but I think you should watch the anime first. It makes visualizing what goes on in the novels alot easier; though regardless novel > anime.

    The anime adaptation can get a little confusing at times because of the constant time line jumps and such. Volume 1's "1930: The Rolling Bootlegs" has been translated completely and you can even download it, so perhaps you should get into reading it. It's fairly linear time wise, focusing on how all the new immortals came to be.
     
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  23. Ziko Superhero

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    Just checked out the first two episodes, don't understand sh*t right now, but I guess I shouldn't yet?
     
  24. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    To put it bluntly, in regards to the anime; it is rather confusing in the beginning. Your introduced to four specific time lines.

    *1711 "The immortal tragedy aboard the Advenna Avis"
    *1930 "Firo & co gain immortality through a set of coincidences"
    *1931 "The transcontinental Flying Pussyfoot massacre"
    *1932 "In search of the bastard, Dallas Genoard"

    If you read the novels all these happenings are easier to understand because it's told linearly (Well in a sense), or rather; each specific novel focuses on a particular time period, while the anime adaptation just mashes everything together confusing viewers who are new to the series.

    Finish the anime and you may have a more broader understanding of things, after you've completed it; head into the novels to round things out. Honestly, it's fairly easy to understand everything once you break all the time lines down and segregate them. Alot of characters move independently of one another and in Baccano!, one plot of the series may have nothing to do with another yet be tied together in someway.

    It's amazing, just finish the anime up and if there's something you don't understand, the ol' Baccano! tards here (Halfhearted, Kikyo, and I <3) will try to explain to the best of our abilities.
     
  25. Kikyo Some day...

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    Hey Ziko, the anime is confusing in the beginning, but you soon get it. And by the end it all makes sense. But yeah, ask when you have a question.. but some of them will be answered by the end of the series.

    Ladd is a wonderful character. He's absolutely abhorrent as a person, but he's so much damn FUN, that it's really hard to not laugh with him when he's covered in blood and killing people.

    A Man in the Killer series? Sounds interesting. I suppose they might have been released as a short story series or specials. Wouldn't be much different from what authors of successful series do here either. But I wouldn't count them as "novels" either, but extras/omake instead.

    Ralphy, the Ronnie and Celty pic doesn't show for me. :(
     
  26. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    Ladd <3

    The guy has some of the best dialog ever, especially when he's surrounded by carnage. I love how Vino ends up being the anti Ladd in so many way, by that I mean; Ladd absolutely hates people who believe there not going to die at any point in time and even more so, people who think that he won't kill them at any time.

    Vino believes that the entire world is a mere fragment of his imagination, something he created; hilariously enough, I do sort of believe he thinks this with the very core of his being XD. Anyway more to the point, Vino believes he will never die under any circumstance; which I guess you could say is the direct nemesis of Ladd's character. This also helps in setting up the epic confrontation between them and having Ladd jump off the train to ultimately save his darling love.

    Btw, I don't think I will ever know what the fuck is up with Ladd & Lua's romance. The guy has more than a few screws loose and its just amusing watching them talk to each other and hearing Lua lovingly accept Ladd's lustful death threats XP.

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    On another topic, my heart that is Vino. Truthfully, I almost cried when I saw Chane's carving on the roof of the Transcontinental; in which she stated she'd wait for Clair in Manhatten forever. That was a powerful fucking scene, they may very well be my favorite pairing in the series.
    Mere fanart, though I did here they met at some point in time; Megan would probally know more information on this since I haven't actually been following Drrr! for a long time now.
     
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  27. Kikyo Some day...

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    :wtf thanks Ralphy. It's a sweet fanart.

    You know, Lua has more than a few screws loose to accept Ladd's "endearments" as such as well. Woman has some kind of death wish for some reason and Ladd is right up her alley apparently.

    In a lot of ways Vino has more charisma in the novels than the anime, imo. His views and philosophy on life are more thoroughly expounded by Narita and they were cut out of the anime. It'd be great to see more of him. But like Megan, I'd rather see more of other characters who didn't get as much screen time. This happens to also be a common trait of mine, to love the less "important" characters or the really popular ones. lol

    Ennis is another one that it terribly short-changed in the anime. I love her so much in the novels. Tick as well. Narita just writes far too many good characters.
     
  28. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    Sounds like a good plan. The novels are a lot more quality than the anime, but watching first will allow you to enjoy the experience more as you won't be focusing on the differences. It really is a great series in all its forms.

    Basically, Kiks has the distinction down of how they are viewed in my experience. One of the ways the difference becomes self-evident to me is in their less than specific dating as compared to the necessarily organized chronology of the rest of the series, along with their numbers going over the normal novel pair system.

    To put it in another way, most of the novels are like albums with A Sides and B Sides (down to the titles being plays on the names of rock bands). They are Narita's discography. In contrast, the Man in the Killer series would be more like a concert tour.

    April 10th.

    I know that awesome guy on Sporelife has the novel, but he hasn't posted his RAWs. To be honest (excluding the illustrations), I'd be more pleased with a translation from him as opposed to RAW scans.

    My feelings toward Ladd take the form of a quiet enjoyment which quickly builds and Builds and BUilds and BUIlds and BUILDs and BUILDS UNTIL IT IS JUST THIS INCREDIBLE LOVE ON THE VERGE OF FRENZY!

    I may be overstating my feelings as I imagined Ladd's scene in the corridors of the Flying Pussyfoot as he gets more and more excited about killing all of the passengers as I typed. But, that's a decent approximation.

    Really? I've never heard of anyone disliking him. From what I've seen he tends to be one of the more popular and beloved personalities in the series.

    That is one of my all-time favorite scenes in the series, so I definitely agree. It was almost as sad to see that cut as to see all of Luck's development in Drugs and Dominoes trashed and replaced with out-of-character reactions which led to his epic defeat of Gustavo being totally destroyed. Maiza also gets the shaft alongside Ennis and Firo, and it is certainly a shame. Narita's version of the characters tends to be so much more interesting and likable.

    In 1932, Dallas was submerged. You must mean 1933?

    And, do you think that Huey would allow himself to be experimented on by anyone or that he wouldn't have safeguards in place should someone attempt to use in him such way? Plus, off the top of my head, the Lemures and Chane would certainly object in a most violent manner. Made worse by the fact of the world's greatest assassin being madly in love with Chane.

    In comparison, we have Dallas. As everyone (even Eve) knows, Dallas is an idiot. Nobody likes or cares about his well-being except for Eve, and she actually signed off on the experimentation. Did I mention that Dallas is an idiot?

    My point is that the Runoratas are only just beginning their human-based research, so it makes more sense for them to start out small rather than move to catch the biggest, most dangerous fish in the alchemic sea.


    They met in the DRRR!! novels. Circa year -70 (1930s).


    Too true :lmao

    Incidentally, the anime version of his character had a more positive impact on my novel-reading than any other outside of Tick. Keiji Fujiwara's acting became Ladd for me in every conceivable way.

    He's such a considerate guy. This way they will be sure to treasure every little moment they have left <3

    It's true love. They were meant for each other <3
     
  29. Ralphy♥ 愛あなた永遠あな

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    No problem, I was really excited to see it myself <3. I love Ronnie and seeing him appear in any new fanart always sends my heart aflutter. It just so happens that yesterday I gathered some new Baccano! fanart posted on pivix.
    Speaking of new fanart, I'd imagine your familiar with the new "Crack Flag" novel installation. There's actually a bit of fanart on the actual book itself which I was sufficed to say, extremely surprised to see.
    I'm wondering just what is it that attracts Ladd to Lua and vice versa. Honestly, I wouldn't mind a little more back story on them; like how they met and events that lead up to there inevitable engagement. Was Lua frightened when she first met Ladd, was it mutual love at first site, Why didn't Ladd just kill her to begin with?

    So many fucking questions!
    I would love to read the "The Grand Punk Railroad" novels but I'm still waiting on the full translation before starting it. I know how Narita's writing gets and I'm sure he included some wonderful details on Vino that was just never explored in the anime adaptation. He remains to this day one of my favorite characters, and not really because he's a badass; I honestly like him because of how he proclaimed his love for Chane and how they ended up being together <3.
    True on so many levels, I loved Ennis in "The Rolling Bootleg" novel. Narita gave her a relevant perspective in the novel series, for example; we get inside her head during many scenes as she elaborates on whats going on as well as stating how she feels about certain situations. I like how she thought about how much she hated Szilard for what he was doing, and the novels even elaborated on how she felt after she absorbed that alchemist Szilard was having trouble with.
    I recall conversating with a few members on MAL and them spewing their distaste for Ladd's character. I was surprised because most would just be utterly attracted instantly to his "baddassness (lol)". I really love him because whenever he talks you can just feel yourself getting wrapped up in his anger.

    Kinda funny to see just how much Specter looks up to him and how their personalities sort of match. Though Specter is a bit fanatical in an odd sort of way and I can't say I like him as much as Ladd, even so; he still holds a special place.
    Apologies, me getting the time line confused again XP
    Honestly speaking, I was kinda pissed when I saw Huey in a cell like that. It felt like he was some sort of immovable character that would end up not playing much of a role later because he was stuck in prison. I think that's when I believed he would be easily experimented on and used by the government as well as the Runorata family, which left an utter distaste in my mouth because I came to adore his character in some fashion or another.

    Apparently he's quite the skilled alchemist even rivaling Szilard; (maybe even greater?). I hear he becomes a little more active during "The Slash", though I have no idea if said information is actually accurate. I kinda like the fact that Ronnie (alchemic devil) takes an interest in him and refers to him as a "Bird of a feather". So I'm really hoping for him to take up Szilards mantle and start antagonizing the story a bit.
     
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  30. halfhearted The gaze into the sun Advisor

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    She is the calm to his storm. He's mentioned before that her presence relaxes him, which is a major attractor for him. And, he's a charismatic, powerful and handsome dominant who can give the beautiful, passive and subordinate Lua all of the love, security and homicidal intent her little heart desires. In a disturbing way, it's quite romantic to be told by a homicidal maniac that he wants to kill you more than anyone else in the world, but he'd rather kill everyone else in the world before killing you.

    No worries. It happens, especially with events that have seen more anime screentime as compared to the little that may be yet available in novel form.

    Eh. He doesn't appear to be stuck in prison to me. It's more like he's just being Huey in prison with his specific environment having little importance. I do think he's an immovable character or a character that attempts to make manufacture an immovable self but in an emotional sense rather than in regards to his actions or influence.
    I think that he's a greater genius than Szilard but lacks the man's overwhelming drive to accomplish a specific goal, so his skills don't see as much use. However, once again due to that lack of a singular goal, Huey's smaller efforts lends themselves to more expansive and diverse rewards.

    He plays a larger role in those particular novels than in others like Drugs and Dominoes or The Rolling Bootlegs. And, I'm curious as to how Tick's brother developed after meeting Huey in The Slash's prologue segments.
     

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