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Old 11-09-2013, 11:19 PM   #1
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A train that derailed and exploded in rural Alabama was hauling 2.7 million gallons of crude oil, according to officials.

The 90-car train was crossing a timber trestle above a wetland near Aliceville late Thursday night when approximately 25 rail cars and two locomotives derailed, spilling crude oil into the surrounding wetlands and igniting a fire that was still burning Saturday.

Each of the 90 cars was carrying 30,000 gallons of oil, said Bill Jasper, president of the rail company Genesee & Wyoming at a press briefing Friday night. It’s unclear, though, how much oil was spilled because some of the cars have yet to be removed from the marsh.

“Most of the cars did not spill all of the product that was inside it,” Don Hartley, a regional coordinator for the Alabama Emergency Management Agency, told the Los Angeles Times.

Emergency responders have to wait until the fire has burned out, Hartley said.

Hartley said that the marsh where the oil spilled is stagnant, so the oil hasn’t spread to other water systems. Scott Hughes, spokesman for the Alabama Department of Environmental Management, told The Times that responders had set up booms to absorb some of the oil.

“Typically wetlands are a sanctuary for a variety of different types of aquatic species, so once we’re able to get in and assess environmental impacts, we’ll certainly look at any impacts to aquatic organisms and other types of wildlife,” Hughes told The Times.

There are extensive wetlands near Aliceville, a town of about 2,400 in western Alabama, according to the state’s Forestry Commission website.

Hughes said Friday that a check of the water quality of the nearby drinking wells came up clean. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has been at the scene since Friday monitoring air quality in the region.

There are more than 100 people from various local, state and federal agencies surveying the scene, Hartley said.

Hartley said 21 cars were still in the marsh, but that most of the other cars had been moved back onto the track. The most damaged cars in the water will be removed last. The 60-foot-long, 10-foot-high wooden trestle, which also caught on fire, will have to be rebuilt. That will take about a week, Hartley said.

The cause of the crash is under investigation, and will probably take weeks to determine. The train, which was en route from Amory, Miss., to Walnut Hill, Fla., was traveling below the posted track speed of 40 mph, according to Jasper.

“No issues have been found with the performance of the train’s two-man crew,” reads a statement from the train company.

The track was last inspected Monday, and the most recent train to traverse the section of track where the crash occurred passed the site approximately 2.5 hours before the derailment, according to the statement.

The explosion of an oil train in Lac-Megantic, Canada, in July has fueled criticism regarding the use of rail to move oil. Railroads are carrying 25 times more crude oil than they were five years ago. In that incident, a train with 72 tank cars carrying crude oil from North Dakota's Bakken Shale fields ignited an inferno in the city, The Times reported in September.

Hartley said that the Alabama train probably originated from North Dakota.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...0,780637.story

Can we build that pipeline now, Obama?

Or are we going to keep pretending a safe, reliable pipe is an environmental disaster waiting to happen while rolling these 200 meter bombs down railroads all over the country?

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Pipelines will disturb the local wildlife in between the trains derailing on them.

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Wetlands...Oil....no good

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How's Canadian drilling been treating ya? Economy > Environment. Right?

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Can we build that pipeline now, Obama?

Or are we going to keep pretending a safe, reliable pipe is an environmental disaster waiting to happen while rolling these 200 meter bombs down railroads all over the country?
Warren Buffett was a HUGE contributor to Obama's campaign. Warren Buffett also owns the railroads that all this oil is being shipped on.

Gee, I wonder why Obama isn't supporting the pipeline?

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Warren Buffett was a HUGE contributor to Obama's campaign. Warren Buffett also owns the railroads that all this oil is being shipped on.

Gee, I wonder why Obama isn't supporting the pipeline?
This is funny, because I hear he will approve the pipeline...

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How's Canadian drilling been treating ya? Economy > Environment. Right?
It's funny you bring that up. You'll actually find your average Canadian cares about the environment FAR more than the Conservative fucktards that are in office. Largely? We are not pleased with Stephen Harper and his stooges.

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This is funny, because I hear he will approve the pipeline...
He commissioned "studies" to check if oil pipelines are a "viable technology" to stall progress in that area.



As if oil pipelines were a new technology lacking decades of history & precedent.

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US is still so oil depended...

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America can't into passenger trains but they deliver large amounts of oil in them?
Get your shit together guys

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Oil is more important than people in 'murica.

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Yeah, about that whole "passenger train" thing. We have these things called "automobiles". They're not very good at transporting a million barrels of crude oil, but they get people around well enough.

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Yeah, about that whole "passenger train" thing. We have these things called "automobiles". They're not very good at transporting a million barrels of crude oil, but they get people around well enough.
There's this concept of "having both, complimenting each other's weaknesses"
Ever heard of it? It means having the best of both worlds. Meaning that, if you're so inclined, you can spend your commute to notable cities sleeping, reading, learning or playing card games if that's what you fancy, instead of focussing on the road because all those other drivers are a hundred times bigger threat to your life than terrorists. And you can still have a car for those more independent routes if you want.

Also, passenger and cargo trains can use the same tracks if they're not single-lines built in the 19th century.

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Considering commutes, a subway is a train, and we have plenty enough of those. But I don't really know anything about the logistics of providing commuter transport.

What I do know is that if trains were profitable in the US, millions of miles of track would be built in a matter of months.

It's not; our only rail carrier is Amtrak, and it's on government life support. That's a combination of Americans loving their cars and gas being cheap as dirt, compared to other first-world countries.

You might be able to play card games on a train, but an automotive commute is far more time-efficient. Even a high speed train can't compete with the efficiency of taking you right from your garage to the doorstep of your workplace.

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America has passenger trains, as well as local commuter services. They don't have high speed bullet trains, though they're in the process of setting one up here.

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Considering commutes, a subway is a train, and we have plenty enough of those. But I don't really know anything about the logistics of providing commuter transport.

What I do know is that if trains were profitable in the US, millions of miles of track would be built in a matter of months.

It's not; our only rail carrier is Amtrak, and it's on government life support. That's a combination of Americans loving their cars and gas being cheap as dirt, compared to other first-world countries.

You might be able to play card games on a train, but an automotive commute is far more time-efficient. Even a high speed train can't compete with the efficiency of taking you right from your garage to the doorstep of your workplace.
I don't count subways since those are only within a city. Any larger city should have those, if the land allows it, anyway.

Trains often aren't very profitable because they're more a service to the people - just like most public transport.
And let's be honest here, if the US had spent notable focus on developing/researching better rail transport, we'd be 50 years ahead in that technology compared to now.

It is not "time efficient" because you cannot do ANYTHING else next to driving. That is time completely lost to driving and only driving. In a long distance train, you can pack out your laptop and do productive work (or watch Anime, heh). Time in a train is not completely lost, even if you just catch up on rest.

And maybe you just live in a never-frost state, but cars are anything but reliable in winter when temperatures go below 0. Travel times increase due to snow and other weather conditions. The battery might die if you don't charge it regularly. Trains are more reliable in that case. The same applies to traffic jams during rush hour etc.

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America has passenger trains, as well as local commuter services. They don't have high speed bullet trains, though they're in the process of setting one up here.
Good if true. I'm not saying they should make coast-connecting bullet trains, planes are usually a better choice for that, but inbetween the highly populated areas of the east and west coast, trains make a lot of sense and the distances aren't much different from Europe.
The main problem I see is that american cities do not have huge train stations near the city centre like most notable european cities do, so making those viable at this point would require a lot of construction and destruction.

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