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View Poll Results: Killer vs Zoro
Pre-Skip: Killer > Zoro 1 4.35%
Pre-Skip: Zoro > Killer 4 17.39%
Post-Skip: Killer > Zoro 1 4.35%
Post-Skip: Zoro > Killer 17 73.91%
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:48 PM   #1
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Zaru? Speculation Thread: Killer vs Zoro

This is just based on peoples speculation because Killer really has no feats aside from messing with Urouge and his group attacks on the Pacifista.

However, the way Oda has set up Killer plotwise being the only other non-captain Supernova aside from Zoro. Leads one to believe that they are destined to clash.

Thus this leads me to the question whether you believe pre-skip Killer was greater than pre-skip Zoro?

In addition, do you believe Zoro will have major difficulty with Killer post-skip?

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:21 PM   #2
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of course he will be pushed high diff or higher with Killer........ as with any SN. except maybe Bonney & Capone...i'd still give them the benefit of the doubt.
pre-skip? I say either way. post-skip? I give Zoro the slight edge.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:29 PM   #3
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If they're gonna clash? Yes. Zoro could probably win high difficulty IMO.

Is he a potential rival to Zoro? Doubtful but who knows.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:30 PM   #4
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I would have to assume Zoro is stronger.
But, as you said, this is pure speculation.

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If you're going to ask us about both pre and post skip, then the poll should have been multiple choice.

Anyways, he's set up as the "Zoro" of Kid's crew. If the two end up clashing, which is pretty damn likely, then there's no reason to assume Zoro wouldn't win.

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Old 07-27-2013, 12:38 AM   #6
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Preskip is anyone's guess because we'll never know unless we get flashbacks.

We can probably wait it out for them to clash in the NW. I would have to assume Zoro is stronger though, not by a ton, but enough to beat him high diff.

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Zoro was, is and will always be stronger

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Pre skip

Killer > Zoro

Pos skip

Zoro > Killer

both high diff

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Killer stomps.

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r8 now imo, Killer > Zoro.

but, by the time Luffy beats Kid (if this happens) , Zoro will beat Killer too with no less than high diff.

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It really all depends on where people put Eutass Kidd compared to luffy at this moment.

If luffy is stronger than Kidd so should Zoro be against Killer.

Otherwise it's the other way around.

Killer is going to be a direct rival for Zoro because he was the only other first mate who made it into the supernovas.

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^Logic assumes Killer is just as special and close to his captain as Luffy is to Zoro. I believe we've discussed that before and you really do think that highly of Kid/Killer, but most people are like to disagree with the notion that Killer is equally special as Zoro.

I think Zoro would defeat Killer now or before the timeskip.

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^Logic assumes Killer is just as special and close to his captain as Luffy is to Zoro. I believe we've discussed that before and you really do think that highly of Kid/Killer, but most people are like to disagree with the notion that Killer is equally special as Zoro.

I think Zoro would defeat Killer now or before the timeskip.
Yeah we did and i thought that Zoro would always need extreme difficulty to beat Killer but I stopped thinking that quite some time ago.

I'm not outright making the claim that Kidd is currently stronger than luffy but IF he is then it only makes some sense that Killer is slightly stronger than Zoro as well seeing that they seemingly do have a similar dynamic to Luffy and Zoro.

That's all I have to say really. Current Zoro being able to beat Killer or Current Killer being able to beat Zoro can equally make sense with that we know right now.

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I see the exact opposite personally. Kid is the one of Luffy's rivals that I can actually see beating him in a straight and bloody fight, but then Zoro beating Killer, showing why he is a unique first mate, would weigh it up to prevent the SHs defeat. Zoro would arrive on the scene of Luffy and Kid's fight and be in better condition than Kid thus stopping him from dealing the killing blow.

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I see the exact opposite personally. Kid is the one of Luffy's rivals that I can actually see beating him in a straight and bloody fight, but then Zoro beating Killer, showing why he is a unique first mate, would weigh it up to prevent the SHs defeat. Zoro would arrive on the scene of Luffy and Kid's fight and be in better condition than Kid thus stopping him from dealing the killing blow.
I'd love to see that, but I doubt Oda would let Zoro defeat an opponent Luffy straight up lost to, even under those circumstances.

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I see the exact opposite personally. Kid is the one of Luffy's rivals that I can actually see beating him in a straight and bloody fight, but then Zoro beating Killer, showing why he is a unique first mate, would weigh it up to prevent the SHs defeat. Zoro would arrive on the scene of Luffy and Kid's fight and be in better condition than Kid thus stopping him from dealing the killing blow.
That is a rather weird outlook. I understand Zoro being in a better condition from his fights than luffy because that's what has been shown for 700 + chapters now. But for luffy to outright lose and Zoro comes in as the savior is rather.......... new.

By the way, I hope you realize by now that you are in fact a pure Zoro fan, not Luffy. I've noticed it for months now but i think you should realize it now.

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As if Zoro hasn't saved Luffy before? And considering you've taken the position before that Zoro would be in as bad shape as Luffy from his fight with Killer despite 700+ chapters of the opposite... don't think you're in any position to make that argument.

No, I really just have a clear head when it comes to these things. I don't deny or downplay the way Zoro has always been made to stand out like a lot of people do due to bias. My preference doesn't come into it. The idea that Luffy loses to Kid is theoretical speculation in the first place. Killer has simply not been portrayed as as exceptional as Kid to give Zoro a true defeat as well. Zoro's portrayal on Sabaody is in stark contrast to Killer's, and coming right off of Thriller Bark as well, it shows that he is the most unique first mate. If both of them lost what prevents the SHs complete defeat? Sanji against the two of them? That is clearly even more unlikely. Zoro getting the nod and the most special moment is clearly in line with series history and most plausible. Even as Luffy loses his crew is there to hold him up, with Zoro at the forefront as always.

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I doubt Oda would let Zoro defeat an opponent Luffy straight up lost to, even under those circumstances.
You misunderstand me. He of course wouldn't defeat Kid. He would just make Kid go "Killer... lost?", tell him to step back, they'd stare each other down and then probably rest of the crew arriving would make Kid back down.

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Hu I woukd personally hate it. It would severely undermine luffy if he was saved by one of his crew member after he lost. He promised that he will be strong enough to protect them. The whole point of the 2 years training was for him to be strong enough to at least protect his crew. I personally don't see Kidd of any other sn beating luffy.

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Killer is not in Zoro's league and he doesn't have much feats or hype that would put him there in either case.

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As if Zoro hasn't saved Luffy before? And considering you've taken the position before that Zoro would be in as bad shape as Luffy from his fight with Killer despite 700+ chapters of the opposite... don't think you're in any position to make that argument.
Kuma doesn't count.

Besides I've already mentioned that my views have changed.Why do you think my view changed from extreme difficulty to something less. We had the argument on that particular topic and after that I started to re-think my approach. You can't call me up on something I admitted I was wrong and changed on.

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No, I really just have a clear head when it comes to these things. I don't deny or downplay the way Zoro has always been made to stand out like a lot of people do due to bias. My preference doesn't come into it. The idea that Luffy loses to Kid is theoretical speculation in the first place. Killer has simply not been portrayed as as exceptional as Kid to give Zoro a true defeat as well. Zoro's portrayal on Sabaody is in stark contrast to Killer's, and coming right off of Thriller Bark as well, it shows that he is the most unique first mate. If both of them lost what prevents the SHs complete defeat? Sanji against the two of them? That is clearly even more unlikely. Zoro getting the nod and the most special moment is clearly in line with series history and most plausible. Even as Luffy loses his crew is there to hold him up, with Zoro at the forefront as always.
But you might be placing too much emphasis on his portrayal at shabondy. Urouge did have a certain respect for him but it doesn't directly translate into power. To simplify it, who's to say that Urouge would have THAT much trouble fighting Zoro than Killer even though his fight with killer was inconclusive and at no point showed one being superior to the other.

Talking down or highly to somebody isn't something to treat as gospel or a testament to somebody's strength.
Apoo clearly respected Zoro more than Kidd but Kidd is undoubtedly stronger
Crocodile spoke down to flamingo even though Flamingo is considerably stronger. Kiji held flamingo in some high regard enough though he could beat his ass 6 ways still sunday.


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You misunderstand me. He of course wouldn't defeat Kid. He would just make Kid go "Killer... lost?", tell him to step back, they'd stare each other down and then probably rest of the crew arriving would make Kid back down.
But that would be a failure on luffy's end. Luffy since he developed Gear 2 has made it his duty to protect his nakama and as long as he has a fighting chance he will push to the very brink of his life force to defeat his opponent. And that is not something i see will ever change. Luffy's willpower is phenomenal.

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