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Old 11-16-2012, 02:37 AM   #1
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LOCATION: Hueco Muendo
SOM: In character
DISTANCE: 40m
RESTRICTIONS: None
SPECIAL: Love has unlimited mask time.

So basically the 7th division captains have teamed up to go to Hueco Muendo to fight against the arrancar and come across Nnoitra and Grimmjow. Komamura takes Nnoitra while Love fights Grimmjow.

SPECIAL SCENARIO: The fights are reversed and Grimmjow fights Komamura while Rose takes on Nnoitra.

Put both of these fights in one thread so I don't flood the battle pit.

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Old 11-16-2012, 02:48 AM   #2
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Escenario 1: Noitra R1/Grimmjow R1 low diff

Especial: Noitra R1/Grimmjow R1 low diff

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Old 11-16-2012, 02:49 AM   #3
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Escenario 1: Noitra R1/Grimmjow R1 low diff

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Care to explain WHY maybe? Even if they win, I don't see it being low difficulty.

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Well I think Love can take Grimmjow, but with some difficulty due to the way Grimmjow fights and Grimmjow's long range abilites, but I see Nnoritra being a tough match up for Komamura due to his hierro and the fact he likes to fight CQC. So I see Nnoritra taking his match mid difficulty by staying close to Komarura.

As for the special scenario i'd say Love would take Nnoritra with a little less difficulty than Grimmjow, because I don't think Nnorita could block or tank Visored Love's shikai. That means his only choice left is to dodge which I don't think he could do for long since his fighting style is CQC based. I also think Grimmjow will take Komarura with mid difficulty, because I don't think Komamura could nail him with his bankai and if Grimmjow gets a good hit with a desgarron it will likely be over.

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Old 11-16-2012, 03:22 AM   #5
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While I agree with Love, I have a bit of a disagreement with sajin. He managed to tag vizard tousen fairly quickly, as his bankai is as fast as he is. And komamuras faster than he looks, plus he has good reaction skills. Desgarron didn't seem that amazing as an exhausted ichigo could tank it with his sword, and komamura is an endurance beast.

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Old 11-16-2012, 10:33 AM   #6
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Love solos they have nothing that can put him down and his faster than Both of them a 2 or 3 Hikifukis should do the trick, adding Komamura is overkill

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Grimmjow would do down to a Masked Love's Shikai. If he could survive Starrks wolves and Ceros. I don't see Grimmjow having the firepower to keep him down either.

Nnoitra doesn't seem that fast so I think Koma won't have a hard time tagging him. The question is whether Koma has the strength to get pass his defense in Bankai. I mean even 1 handed unpatched Kenpachi couldn't do it. Even if koma can it took Kenpachi two full power strikes with 2 hands to do it. Koma hasn't shown his Bankai strength is as strong as Kenpachi unpatched.

Koma also takes damage if his bankai is hit and Nnoi has the strength to kill Kenpachi unpatched. Koma either draws or dies against Nnoi.

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Scenario 1:

Grimmjow "jiu jitsus" on Love and stomps him... Love ain't got a chance against him in CQC and Desgarron destroys him, hell, like Grimmjow would even need to use Desgarron for such an opponent .
Besides... Shinji needed his mask for one arm wounded base Grimmjow... Love isn't that different from Shinji... Grimmjow with Ressurection easily has the upperhand.

Nnoitra vs Komamura is a stomp for Nnoitra..
Patched Kenpachi >> Shikai Komamura and Shikai Tousen together.
Released Nnoitra > Unpatched Kenpachi(no kendo)
Unpatched Kenpachi >> Patched Kenpachi.
The result is more than obvious... Nnoitra slices the shit out of Komamura and if he can stop one handed Kenpachi's strikes then he can also block Bankai Komamura's with absolute ease. Size of the sword =/= Power.

Special Scenario:

Nothing changes.

-Grimmjow blitzes and destroys Komamura and Nnoitra destroys Love in CQC.

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:21 AM   #9
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Grimmjow would do down to a Masked Love's Shikai. If he could survive Starrks wolves and Ceros. I don't see Grimmjow having the firepower to keep him down either.

Nnoitra doesn't seem that fast so I think Koma won't have a hard time tagging him. The question is whether Koma has the strength to get pass his defense in Bankai. I mean even 1 handed unpatched Kenpachi couldn't do it. Even if koma can it took Kenpachi two full power strikes with 2 hands to do it. Koma hasn't shown his Bankai strength is as strong as Kenpachi unpatched.

Koma also takes damage if his bankai is hit and Nnoi has the strength to kill Kenpachi unpatched. Koma either draws or dies against Nnoi.
Keep in mind that Komamura has never used two hands on his bankai before. I've checked his panels and everytime he fights, he only uses one hand on his bankai, something I find interesting. If what Kenpachi said is true, then I bet Komamura could use some kendo as well with both hands to strike down kenpachi.

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Keep in mind that Komamura has never used two hands on his bankai before. I've checked his panels and everytime he fights, he only uses one hand on his bankai, something I find interesting. If what Kenpachi said is true, then I bet Komamura could use some kendo as well with both hands to strike down kenpachi.
Kenpachi's Kendo is different...

Nnoitra knew that 2 hands make a strike stronger... If the powerup was insanely huge for everyone like Kenpachi's is then he wouldn't underestimate him.

Don't apply Kendo Kenpachi powerup to anyone else please...

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:42 AM   #11
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Kenpachi's Kendo is different...

Nnoitra knew that 2 hands make a strike stronger... If the powerup was insanely huge for everyone like Kenpachi's is then he wouldn't underestimate him.

Don't apply Kendo Kenpachi powerup to anyone else please...

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There was no real power-up when Kenpachi used two hands against Nnoitora. All Kenpachi did was make his strike stronger to break through Nnoitora. I mean its not a special move or anything that would give anyone some super special power-up. Thus anyone could've done something like it.

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Old 11-16-2012, 12:14 PM   #12
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More 'Spada wank.

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Scenario 1:

Grimmjow "jiu jitsus" on Love and stomps him... Love ain't got a chance against him in CQC and Desgarron destroys him, hell, like Grimmjow would even need to use Desgarron for such an opponent .
Besides... Shinji needed his mask for one arm wounded base Grimmjow... Love isn't that different from Shinji... Grimmjow with Ressurection easily has the upperhand.
Get out of here with that trash. Shinji had no trouble with one-armed Grimmjow and was easily dodging his attacks. Shinji did NOT need mask. He used it to put Grim down quick because he was destroying the town. you talk as if Grimmjow forced Shinji into using his mask.

Love beats the shit out of Grimmjow. Unlimited Mask time too? Grimmjow gets smacked into the ground just like Stark was. Stark is faster than Grimmjow and he got tagged so the chances of him avoiding getting hit are slim.

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Nnoitra vs Komamura is a stomp for Nnoitra..
Patched Kenpachi >> Shikai Komamura and Shikai Tousen together.
Released Nnoitra > Unpatched Kenpachi(no kendo)
Unpatched Kenpachi >> Patched Kenpachi.
The result is more than obvious... Nnoitra slices the shit out of Komamura and if he can stop one handed Kenpachi's strikes then he can also block Bankai Komamura's with absolute ease. Size of the sword =/= Power.
More BS. This is Bankai Komamura. How hard is it to stop a Strike from Unpachted Kenpachi? Hold your sword up and block. If you have enough reiatsu you can stop anothers sword with your sword correct? Shikai Ichigo was able to do it. Hell Komamura was able to stop patched Kenpachi's strike with his hands.

Nnorita is at a disadvantage he is purely CQC Komamura has the advantage because he has range. Nnorita is not a speedster and hasn't shown the ability to be able to fly. at people saying Nnorita will rush him in CQC when Koma could just Shunpo away and smash him with KTM. Komamura can be at the other side of the battlefield and smash Nnorita repeatedly.

Nnorita definitely cannot stop KTM's strike. He can block it to soften the damage but how long can he keep that up before he's paste? Koma takes this 7 times out of 10.


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Special Scenario:

Nothing changes.

-Grimmjow blitzes and destroys Komamura and Nnoitra destroys Love in CQC.
You are correct nothing changes. Komamura and Love proceed to solo.

Koma has no problem fighting speedsters, being able to tag Masked Tousen greatly wounding him if it had not been for HSR.

Tousen is at least equal to masked Ichigo and other Masked Captains. Masked Tousen was dropped by Bankai Komamura. You do the math. If any of the vizards or Ichigo were back handed by KTM the result would be the same or worse.

Tousen>Grimmjow; also couple the fact that Grimm lacks HSR he's toast. Grimmjow dies 9/10 times.

Love Smacks Nnorita around. Love's shikai blocked stark's ceros effortlessly. He could easily block Nnorita's strikes and smack him with Hifuki no Koduchi.

Love takes this 9/10.

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I think Love could trash Grimmjow without his mask, tbh.

I'm probably too bias for Nnoitra to comment on the other match.

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Komamura loses to Nnoitra. Honestly, he's been the least impressive captain for me. His treatment in the Soul Society Arc was similar to Hitsugaya's, but Hitsugaya got some redemption when he defeated Harribel. Komamura hasn't had that chance yet, so he's left with a few very lackluster victories and some embarrassing losses.

Nnoitra managed to make Kenpachi try his hardest - we didn't see Komamura's battle with Kenpachi, but I really don't think Kenpachi even took his patch off. We'd have to see more from Komamura, but as of now I think he'd lose.

Love also doesn't have many impressive feats. He hit Starrk a few times, but Starrk wasn't trying. And right when Starrk started to get serious, Love was quickly beaten. I think if Love could use his bankai, he'd definitely be stronger than Grimmjow, but with just his shikai, his feats don't match up to the Sixth Espada's.

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Komamura loses to Nnoitra. Honestly, he's been the least impressive captain for me. His treatment in the Soul Society Arc was similar to Hitsugaya's, but Hitsugaya got some redemption when he defeated Harribel. Komamura hasn't had that chance yet, so he's left with a few very lackluster victories and some embarrassing losses.
Your biased Opinion means nothing Akito without anything to back it. I explicitly stated how, with examples how i believe it's possible for Komamura to win the match-up. Your response was solely on the point that He hasn't impressed you enough. Embarrasing? He lost only to Ressurected Tousen and Aizen.

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Nnoitra managed to make Kenpachi try his hardest - we didn't see Komamura's battle with Kenpachi, but I really don't think Kenpachi even took his patch off. We'd have to see more from Komamura, but as of now I think he'd lose.
Only at the end of the fight when Kenpachi realized he could die if he kept on playing around. Ken mearley stopped joking around used Kendo to end the fight. Making Kenpachi fight his hardest is him using to hands from the get go.

Kenpachi and Bankai Komamura never fought, How many times has this got to be explained to people like you? Komamura left after he sensed Yamamoto's spirit pressure. Even Kenpachi states that "he said something about the old man and left"

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Love also doesn't have many impressive feats. He hit Starrk a few times, but Starrk wasn't trying. And right when Starrk started to get serious, Love was quickly beaten. I think if Love could use his bankai, he'd definitely be stronger than Grimmjow, but with just his shikai, his feats don't match up to the Sixth Espada's.
Having the power to smack around the 1st Espada and forcing him to get really serious and using his strongest attack is not a feat?

1st Espada Released>>>>>>>6th Espada Released. There's no comparison. Yes, love was damaged by the wolf pack but he wasn't outright killed. So i say he's a pretty hardy fighter. Surviving the 1st Espada's assault greater than surviving the 6th's. Dessgaron is essentially featless trash blocked by a half dead Ichigo.


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Your Opinion means nothing Akito.
Smh.

Also, there's no point in fighting Love's corner. People see what they want to see in regards to the Visoreds' accomplishments.

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Smh.
Yea your right JS. I Edited that statement to be clearer to what i was trying to get across

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Yea, Love shouldn't have much trouble it at all with either Espada 1 on 1 AND unlimited mask time


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Your biased Opinion means nothing Akito without anything to back it. I explicitly stated how i believe Komamura could win the match-up. Your response was solely on the point that He hasn't impressed you enough. Embarrasing? He lost only to Ressurected Tousen and Aizen.
Why are you calling my opinion biased when we've never conversed before?

Do you honestly expect me to read and respond to your 'analysis' when it's riddled with such an absurd amount of ad hominem fallacies? I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hasn't even got the tact to debate properly. Sorry!

And by the way, you didn't explain anything significant in your initial post. You've stated your opinion, but that's really it; you didn't explicate why it's correct.

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Why are you calling my opinion biased when we've never conversed before?
We've conversed several times in past threads. And yes i know first hand your bias towards certain characters.

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And by the way, you didn't explain anything significant in your initial post. You've stated your opinion, but that's really it; you didn't explicate why it's correct.
I stated my Opinion and refuted your claims backed evidence in the manga. More than what you've done so far.

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Do you honestly expect me to read and respond to your 'analysis' when it's riddled with such an absurd amount of ad hominem fallacies? I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hasn't even got the tact to debate properly. Sorry!
Ad Hominem? I'm not arguing against you which what Ad Hominem is...but against your biased argumment that Komamura and Love loses simply because they have not impressed you. I give you a chance to explain your reasoning yet you do not. Concession Accepted.

And don't act as if i came at you out the blue and i attacked you. You browsed the thread first, negged me, then made your first post saying they were going to lose based on the fact the two don't impress you. The neg was in my CP 10 minutes before a post was made in this thread. So when you made your first post i responded to you to get your reasoning. Which was nothing..

So basically you negged my post based on the sole fact that my opinion and your opinion differ? Not because it was a bad post or terrible post but because it differed from your Opinion.

You are a Hypocrite my friend and the act doesn't fool me. Your a troll like the rest.

And as i said before i'm 24'd at the moment..EDIT: Nevermind i'm not


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There was no real power-up when Kenpachi used two hands against Nnoitora. All Kenpachi did was make his strike stronger to break through Nnoitora. I mean its not a special move or anything that would give anyone some super special power-up. Thus anyone could've done something like it.
Anyone? Sorry... I don't think so... Kenpachi is the only emphasized character when it comes to this.

Nnoitra himself completely underestimated him and saw it as a joke. As you can see Kenpachi's 2 handed swing was beyond normal.

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Why are you calling my opinion biased when we've never conversed before?

Do you honestly expect me to read and respond to your 'analysis' when it's riddled with such an absurd amount of ad hominem fallacies? I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hasn't even got the tact to debate properly. Sorry!

And by the way, you didn't explain anything significant in your initial post. You've stated your opinion, but that's really it; you didn't explicate why it's correct.
NOTE: docj... You called Akito biased??? BIASED???

He calls every opinion that he desagrees with it... Biased...

Even though his own posts are full of his own fanfiction .
BTW Akito... You've got it right on in the bolded. That's exactly what he does all the time and that's why I try to avoid replying to him as well.

Though other members will cry if I ignore someone so I'm kinda forced to reply even though he's a numbskull that won't get one single word of what we say to him.

EDIT: Oh wait... docj called Akito is a troll?

Oh the irony .

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