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Old 10-07-2012, 09:49 PM   #1
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Default New Official DBZ Power Levels

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but apparently, V-Jump has posted the official power levels of Gogeta, Broly, and Cooler.

Gogeta: 2.5 billion
Broly: 1.4 billion
Cooler: 470 million

That should end some speculation on their relative power levels. Interesting information.

Source: http://www.animevice.com/dragon-ball...med/97-332720/

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Old 10-09-2012, 12:54 AM   #2
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Who cares, anyways?
Powerlevels are only good for telling who's the stronger in DB.
They're completely useless for anything else.
Worse, these are non-canon DB characters who are rarely featured in the OBD nowadays.
It's good we have a probably official statement on some other DB characters' power but that's all.

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Old 10-09-2012, 12:56 AM   #3
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I've seen these before. They're basically made up by the magazine with no involvement from Toriyama.

And like Willyvereb said, it's not like they actually mean anything anyway.

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official? Even the ones from the databook are often contested, let alone a bunch of power levels (regarding non canon characters) made up by a magazine.

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It's still interesting information to know, especially for DBZ fans like me. Who knew that Gogeta was nearly twice as strong as Broly? Before there was speculation about whether they were close to each other in strength or not.

Sure, they may not mean much in the grander scheme of things within the OBD, but I just thought it was pretty interesting to know.

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It's still interesting information to know, especially for DBZ fans like me. Who knew that Gogeta was nearly twice as strong as Broly? Before there was speculation about whether they were close to each other in strength or not.
Before, there was a speculation if Broly even matches up to SSJ2 level.
So yeah, that 1.4 bill PL would actually make him stronger than he's considered in the OBD.
Only in DB vs DB debates, though.
Powerlevels are almost meaningless for fights that aren't in-universe.

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Not really. Even considering the movie continuity, these power levels don't make much sense.

First of all, if we assume the 470 million is referring to Cooler's 5th form, that's a pretty big boost from 100% Frieza's 120 million. I mean it's stated Cooler is stronger than Frieza, but I don't think he was implied to be that much stronger. Then we have the fact that Goku in SSJ1 was easily dominating him, meaning Goku's PL was even higher, which is, again, a pretty large boost from his 150 million on Namek. SSJ2 is a 2x multiplier, so they're saying that between the end of the Frieza saga and this movie (where IIRC it was implied Goku hadn't even learned to properly control his SSJ1 transformation or use it at will yet) he has gotten stronger than a SSJ2 powerup would have given him.

The Broly one is equally problematic. If we can say that SSJ1 Goku when he fought Cooler was at least 470 million (had to be higher, but this is to show that even using the lowest values possible it doesn't make sense), and if he didn't get any stronger between that movie and the Broly movie, then 4 SSJ1s would total in excess of 1.88 billion, yet Broly was taking them on (plus Piccolo) without breaking a sweat. You could say that 1 stronger character can beat multiple weaker characters even if their combined PLs exceed his, but I doubt it would be this casual.

The Gogeta one is the worst though. Assuming they're talking about movie 12 Gogeta, then even if we say SSJ1 Goku wasn't any stronger than Cooler, and he didn't improve at all between that movie and movie 12, the SEG multipliers say that at SSJ2 he should have been 940 million, and at SSJ3 3.76 billion. Yet Janemba was beating on SSJ3 Goku, and Gogeta owned Janemba. So these PLs not only don't make sense, but they are not even consistent with themselves.

Why did I waste so much time analyzing this? I don't know, boredom I guess.

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the SEG multipliers would only apply to the manga AFAIK, but that doesn't change the fact that these numbers feel hilariously off

Gogeta only being nearly twice as strong as Broly, lol

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The only one of these that can make sense is Broly's. Cooler being 4 times as strong as Freeza and Gogeta being less than 2 times as strong as Broly is lolwtf.

(I have actually made speculative power level lists before for my own amusement, and the Broly power level given here matches my speculation pretty well )

Cooler's is weird as well, since SSJ Goku stomped him in the movie. It feels unlikely that Goku improved his SSJ power level from 150M to somewhere around or over 500M during his training in Yadrat.

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Goku might have gotten a zenkai from his injury, though maybe not to the extent that the V-Jump shit shows

zenkais are HIGHLY variable

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Yeah but they seemed to become kind of useless or too low to be worth it after the Cell saga.

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well, good thing the Cooler movie didn't take place anywhere near that arc

it was just right after a time where zenkais were still a big thing

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To be honest in the canon manga there was more inane things involving powerlevels.
Like how over the course of a year everyone became multiple times stronger than Piccolo Jr. from pre-timeskip.
While technically they were previously training for years with no such a dramatic effect.
And that's just Saiyan Saga.
Namek was a far worse offender with characters in the low 10k going as far as 150 million in power.
How long it took them? About a few months at best.
TFS Vegeta sums up my thoughts the best:

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I think the last time Zenkai was mentioned in canon was with Cell reaching Super Perfect power.
The last time it was mentioned for an actual saiyan was with Freeza saga Goku and Vegeta.

The extent of Zenkai might have to do with how badly you get beaten.

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How the hell they get those numbers?

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out of their asses

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How the hell they get those numbers?
Guessing, and random nonsensical powerscaling.

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How the hell they get those numbers?
The same way as Toriyama did.
Just made up a number that sounded cool.
Toriyama later didn't use numerical values for powerlevels because they made no sense.
He had more than enough awareness to notice it.
DBZ fantards on the other hand...

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Toriyama later didn't use numerical values for powerlevels because they made no sense
No because the numbers were getting too big, he still followed the "my ki/energy is bigger than yours so I can stomp you with my superior stats" thing. He kept techs that could negate those like destructo disc, spirit bomb, Tien's most powerful tech etc but overall the concept remained.

These are not official power levels, no official power levels are given post Frieza saga outside suppressed Trunks 5. It's not interesting because it contributes nothing, it's not official.


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No .
BAD, shuu.

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