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Old 09-23-2012, 07:37 PM   #1
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:40 PM   #2
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Mu obviously obliterates him with Jinton after creating separation with his invisibility.

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Mu doesn't really need his invisibility for this. Plus Gaara is one of the few shinobi who has a means of detecting him. It would be better for Mu to just fly in to the air and nuke Gaara from high altitude.

Gaara has no defense against Jinton

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Doubtful he evades the sand long enough to get an accurate snipe, regardless of altitude.

Gaara can levitate and follow him, along with the sand, which followed Deidara around a city. Muu's flight speed is not superior to Deidara's feat wise, and Muu doesn't have exploding clay to repel several sand attacks. Going invisible and nuking at a high altitude is no different than invis nuking at base level, Gaara still loses.

Thus, he goes invisible before Gaara mixes the sand in the air to locate disturbances, and blindside nukes him from base level with decent separation distance.

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Oh yeah, I forgot that Gaara makes for an excellent anti-air force. But I don't think it takes that long to charge up a jinton powerful enough to disinitegrate Gaara and the whole battlefield. He was using them against Onoki while flying.

But yeah, maybe he should turn invisible, although that leaves him open to detection from Gaara's contact sensor sand.

Edit: Wait, I always wondered but can Mu fly and use Jinton while invisible. I always had the impression that he can't (since he suppresses his own chakra) but I'm not totally sure.


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Old 09-23-2012, 07:59 PM   #6
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Mu wins.He destroys Gaara with Dust style D:

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Gaara probably wins this in the end. Gaara's sand allows him to keep track of move Muu unless he takes to the skies. The huge amounts of the sand he wields can probably protect him from the Jinton. Gaara not exactly easy to spot either. He is very good at switching his body with sand clones as Lee and Nidaime Mizukage found out.

Ultimately Gaara was able to stop an immortal, self regenerating, limitless chakra version of the man, Muu never could.

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:13 AM   #8
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The huge amounts of the sand he wields can probably protect him from the Jinton.
There aren't any practical defenses against Jinton.

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Gaara not exactly easy to spot either. He is very good at switching his body with sand clones as Lee and Nidaime Mizukage found out.
Muu doesn't have single target abilities, so that's a rather futile option against Muu. HQ sent Onoki out to aid Gaara specifically because of Muu's Kekkei Tota. All of Gaara's sand would have been annihilated from subatomic deconstruction.

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Pretty much Jinton GG. Gaara has no way of detecting, damaging, or seeing Muu do to his invisibility and he also has no defense against Jinton.

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:54 AM   #10
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Gaara gets one shotted like anybody else who does not have genjutsu which covers whole battlefields, Rinnengan or Jinton

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Old 09-24-2012, 12:00 PM   #11
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We know Onokii claims that only he can beat mu which more or less meant it took his KKT to fight mu's KKT (I think i remember their Dust release clashing and thus giving both sides a "defense" to the technique.)

However Onoki proved to be nearly useless in that fight.

Given the desert setting Gaara has all the sand in the world to fight mu. If mu is in close range he is detected and attacked. If mu is at long range to stay undetected then Gaara has plenty of time to react and dodge the dust release.

I'd give this to gaara by eventually corning him with sand. Dust release has yet to prove very reliable in killing anyone.

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Old 09-24-2012, 12:03 PM   #12
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Knowing what they know about each other, Gaara would immediately try to drown Muu in sand. Being a sensor with great reflexes, Muu should be able to avoid this and he will immediately take to the sky. However, for fear of Jinton, he will immediately be pursued by large amounts of sand that will chase him around the sky to keep him from staying still. Given that Onoki's flight speed used to be much slower until he adjusted it to deal with Deidara, I don't think his pupil will necessarily have the speed to long avoid Gaara's sand, especially if gourd sand is thrown into the mix.

If Muu can make the sand too heavy for Gaara to manipulate in the air, he should be able to use Jinton: Genkai Hakuri. However, seeing this coming, Gaara should be able to pull off Kuusa Bouheki in time to intercept. I'd say there is a pretty decent chance that the size of this defense will stop Jinton even though it would be demolished. From there, Muu would probably get trapped with Sabaku Rou, although he could use Jinton to blast out in time. However, he could easily be caught immediately afterwards with Sabaku Kyuu and take a wound.

So whether it is here or earlier, I suspect he will have to split in order to survive and Gaara will take out one half. He will then need to become invisible, while Gaara will send sand particles for sensing. He will then eventually be caught and killed. Overall, I give this to Gaara 9 times out 10 with mid-high difficulty.

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Damn it I like Garra.... He's my favorite none Uchiha, but Mu AOE potential is too much and Jinton is two much jutsu for almost any defense bar maybe the HIGHEST TIERS Susano and S/T counters.

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I absolutely don't see the possibility of Gaara winning this battle; the manga have clearly implied that Gaara is the inferior kage. It had to take the effort of both Gaara and Ōnoki to compete against Mū, and they have ultimately lost if it wasn't for Naruto's clone intervention. People might argue that it was because of Ōnoki's back pain, but that's not it. From the very beginning of the Tsuchikages confrontation, Mū stated that it is necessary for the Kazekage to support Ōnoki.

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I would say Gaara loses here.Muu can go invisible and fly around to get a good spot to hit Gaara with some dust and then its game over Gaara.

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oonoki was having a hell of a time against muu (albeit muu is an edo). Oonoki is widely accepted as the strongest of the gokage, the manga pretty much depicts him this way. I don't think gaara is suited to fight muu.

Muu's clone easily dodged gaara's sand attack, sand clones probably won't work against a sensor like muu, and considering Muu could fire off a jinton before RM Naruto's chakra arm could propel him at muu, I'd think gaara's sand does not have the speed to disrupt muu before he unleashes a jinton with the attack power to fodderize susanoos.

I think Muu wins this mid difficulty.

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Muu wins. Jinton is one of the few attacks that can actually overwhelm Gaara's sand defenses, and the manga implied it too. Both Gaara and Onoki were losing to Muu by himself.

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Gaara probably wins this in the end. Gaara's sand allows him to keep track of move Muu unless he takes to the skies. The huge amounts of the sand he wields can probably protect him from the Jinton. Gaara not exactly easy to spot either. He is very good at switching his body with sand clones as Lee and Nidaime Mizukage found out.

Ultimately Gaara was able to stop an immortal, self regenerating, limitless chakra version of the man, Muu never could.
Nope, Sand is not blocking jinton. period. The best sand will do is block mu's vision.

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There aren't any practical defenses against Jinton.
Throwing a desert's worth of sand at Muu is going to force him to use Jinton on the sand or be crushed from behind. It gives Gaara time to escape and drains Muu's chakra.
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Yes he does. How do you think Nidaime Mizukage managed to fight him? Probably by distraction and use of clones to hide himself. Gaara can do the same, except Gaara has more chakra than Nidaime Mizukage.

It would exhaust Muu vaporising sand from all directions. Whilst it gives Gaara an opportunity to hide. Onoki was sent to help, but his back gave out. Gaara and Naruto took him out fairly quickly with little trouble.

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Throwing a desert's worth of sand at Muu is going to force him to use Jinton on the sand or be crushed from behind. It gives Gaara time to escape and drains Muu's chakra.

Yes he does. How do you think Nidaime Mizukage managed to fight him? Probably by distraction and use of clones to hide himself. Gaara can do the same, except Gaara has more chakra than Nidaime Mizukage.

It would exhaust Muu vaporising sand from all directions. Whilst it gives Gaara an opportunity to hide. Onoki was sent to help, but his back gave out. Gaara and Naruto took him out fairly quickly with little trouble.

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Timing is everything in a fight. Naruto appeared at the right moment, and thanks to his arms extending, he managed to get his attack before Muu's.

Its was all situational, like most fights in the manga.

It doesn't mean Muu was weak at all.

Againts 2 Kage levels opponents he was winning, but a third appeared, had good timing, capitalized, and they defeated him, 3 vs 1.

1. Naruto's Rasengan was needed.
2. Naruto's chakra arms were needed.
3. Gaara's sand was needed.
4. Gaara was needed to seal him.
5. Onoki was needed to stop his Jintons and then seal his arms.

You make it sound like since they won easily 3 vs 1, that he was a weakling, if so, then Nagato is a weakling too. Muu was one of the strongest of the war next to Nagato and Madara.

He might be able to beat even KCM Naruto, his Jinton is that hax.

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