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Old 09-04-2012, 04:46 PM   #1
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:27 PM   #2
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EMS sasuke can give these two a good run for their money and probably beat them unless gaara is in the desert and deidara has his bird out.

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Old 09-04-2012, 07:39 PM   #3
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Gaara plays defense while he takes a minute(no longer than that) to grind up sand. Deidara flys high in the sky, Gaara goes underground and they procceed to Rain firey hell from the Heavens and open hell up underneath the uchihas.

Seriously though, Gaara can solo, Deidara can solo.

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Sasuke vs Gaara- Gaara wins easily, his defense is to strong, Gaara is Uchihas achilles heel.

Itachi vs Deidara- There is nothing that Itachi can do to Deidara once he starts flying, his bombs are to powerfull to protect against, Yata would be useless against his top tier bombs due to their AoE. If Itachi somehow squeezes out a win against him he can't beat Gaara.


Gaara n Deidara win 9/10 with little to no ease.

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Old 09-04-2012, 07:52 PM   #4
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Ban Genjutsu and we might have a fight.

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I'm well aware that you are not really fond of either characters (Itachi and Sasuke). But don't you think you're going a bit overboard to go as far as to claim that either Gaara or Deidara can solo with little difficulty? Deidara who had a run for his money when he fought Hebi Sasuke, would easily defeat a stronger version of Sasuke? I don't think so. He's probably the one to die first seeing that he doesn't have any prior knowledge on Sasuke acquiring MS techniques thus potentially fall prey to Amaterasu. More so, even with his flight advantage, it's doubtful that he's that capable enough to instantly dodge Susano'o arrows- something that even Kakashi (with his speed and Sharingan reflexes) has to resort to Kamui just to survive that.

Gaara may have proven to be a good counter for Susano'o users but that wouldn't do much if his opponents wouldn't give him a chance to do so. Yes, you may argue that his sand may be able to defend from MS assaults, but for how long? How long can his defenses stand against unrelenting attacks? Take into account that we have Sasuke who can now literally spam Amaterasu , Enton Magatamas, Susano'o assaults (take your pick) all over the place.

And I haven't even mentioned Itachi at all. That goes to show that EMS Sasuke can potentially solo and adding Itachi to the picture will just be a horrible nightmare for both Gaara and Deidara.


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Old 09-05-2012, 01:08 AM   #6
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Gaara n Deidara win 9/10 with little to no ease.
I think you intended to phrase this differently.

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Sasuke can solo, even in a desert.

Sorry but if gaara couldn't solo madara when he was only using lvl3 susanoo in a desert, then he ain't doing it against EMS Sasuke. Susanoo plows through the sand, and sasuke sees chakra in the sand, so he dodges accordingly. He can also use chidori nagashi if he does happen to get caught.

None of deidara's bombs except C0 are going to break sasuke's susanoo. a multi-buidling sized C2 explosion only took out one of sasuke's wings, C3 is only larger than that by a factor of less than 10. That isn't enough to get through the higher levels of susanoo.

Sasuke just camps in his susanoo, and spams amaterasu arrows. Deidara can't dodge them, and the arrows either penetrate gaara's defense while he is arborne, or sasuke CQs him with susanoo's strength if he stays on the ground. Itachi isn't needed.

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Gaara and Deidara can fly. Just saying. The Uchichas are going to spend a while thinking how to reach two enemies that can fly far far above their heads and spam a hell from distance.

The outcome of the match will be decided by who's gonna lose their advantage first: Deidara running out of clay or the Uchiha overusing Susano and ending up too exhausted. Gaara can just keep a high pressure with his sand without spending too much chakra.

Neither sasuke nor Itachi can solo this, particularly cos their genjutsu us nullified by Deidara's special eye device and Gaara's sand + third eye.

Tough match, but the flying ones have the upper hand, definitely. Flying is seriously underrated.

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Flying is seriously overrated if you think that such is going to help Gaara and Deidara win against the Uchiha brothers who, are not only a tier or two above them, but who also outgun them and have the perfect defenses to whichever the formers dish out. That is also leaving the idea that Deidara and Gaara wouldn't mount on their clay bird and sand, respectively off the bat while IC. Deidara fought Hebi Sasuke on the ground initially and Gaara even with his life on the line didn't consider floating way above Madara. Thus makes it unlikely that the two of them would start taking flight immediately.

Like I said in my previous post, Deidara doesn't have prior knowledge of Sasuke acquiring his MS techniques to make him wary of it that in turn would only make him vulnerable to any of it- Amaterasu specifically. But regardless whether he's aware of it or not, he doesn't have Raikage level speed or Gaara's auto shield that enables him to evade or protect himself. Therefore, he's probably the one to go down first.

If they decide to soar away regardless (off the bat), then they have to really fly a serious number of miles away from those gigantic Susano'os that have lethal long range attacks (namely: Yasaka Magatama; Enton Magatama that can potentially reach them in the skies). But what are they going to accomplish? None. Just the hope of wearing their opponents who has every counter to everything they can dish out. If Sasuke gets annoyed, then he can end the match with Kirin.

More so, should the fight happen in the manga, then the more reason not to doubt that an Eien no Mangekyo Sharingan Sasuke won't get worn out or lose to these two who are portrayed to be on a lower level compared to where he currently is. That's also leaving the fact that there is still Itachi who can intervene should anything go wrong.

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I'm well aware that you are not really fond of either characters (Itachi and Sasuke). But don't you think you're going a bit overboard to go as far as to claim that either Gaara or Deidara can solo with little difficulty? Deidara who had a run for his money when he fought Hebi Sasuke, would easily defeat a stronger version of Sasuke? I don't think so. He's probably the one to die first seeing that he doesn't have any prior knowledge on Sasuke acquiring MS techniques thus potentially fall prey to Amaterasu. More so, even with his flight advantage, it's doubtful that he's that capable enough to instantly dodge Susano'o arrows- something that even Kakashi (with his speed and Sharingan reflexes) has to resort to Kamui just to survive that.

Gaara may have proven to be a good counter for Susano'o users but that wouldn't do much if his opponents wouldn't give him a chance to do so. Yes, you may argue that his sand may be able to defend from MS assaults, but for how long? How long can his defenses stand against unrelenting attacks? Take into account that we have Sasuke who can now literally spam Amaterasu , Enton Magatamas, Susano'o assaults (take your pick) all over the place.

And I haven't even mentioned Itachi at all. That goes to show that EMS Sasuke can potentially solo and adding Itachi to the picture will just be a horrible nightmare for both Gaara and Deidara.
Given Knowledge Deidara isn't going to fuck around, and he won't fall to genjutsu so easily. Remember Sasuke only survived due to an asspull, probably the biggest we've seen. Deidara isn't weak, he's one of the strongest in the manga imo.

Gaara has block Amaterasu and there is nothing to suggest that he can't protect against Magatamas from Itachi and Sasuke aswell as Susanoo assualts since Gaara's defense is probably the best there is. Itachi could give Gaara problems but with Gaara being a sensor and having one of the best defenses aswell has great support add with Deidara ultimate offense. They will have trouble but I don't see Gaara having any problems.

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haha sasuke can't even make gaara move.. good luck on him beating gaara.. sasuke's arrows everybody is crowing about couldn't get through a damm tree.. it required madara's magatama's to destroy gaara's quick(still powerful) defense.. madara owns both uchiha brothers together..

no gaara defends without trouble..

anyway gaara defends deidara for a while untill deidara is in the air... then gaint bomb kill everything..

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Given Knowledge Deidara isn't going to fuck around, and he won't fall to genjutsu so easily. Remember Sasuke only survived due to an asspull, probably the biggest we've seen. Deidara isn't weak, he's one of the strongest in the manga imo.
I never said he'd fall for a Genjutsu and I never said that he isn't strong. I just implied that Sasuke is stronger. As for the Sasuke and Deidara fight; do you think that if Sasuke resorted to Kirin before Deidara could resort to his C0, would you think that the latter would've survived as well? You may call Sasuke's survival an asspull but that's never going to change the fact that he survived from it and that's leaving the fact that he hasn't even used his most powerful jutsu at that time. Deidara just had to draw out his trump card first before Sasuke can, that's all there is to it.

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Gaara has block Amaterasu and there is nothing to suggest that he can't protect against Magatamas from Itachi and Sasuke aswell as Susanoo assualts since Gaara's defense is probably the best there is. Itachi could give Gaara problems but with Gaara being a sensor and having one of the best defenses aswell has great support add with Deidara ultimate offense. They will have trouble but I don't see Gaara having any problems.
Conversely, there is nothing to suggest that it can as well protect against unrelenting attacks for a significant period of time as I've said, if it can't hold its own against just four Mokuton Susano'o clones. I am speaking of Sasuke who can literally spam attacks without suffering much eye damage thanks to his Eien no Mangekyo Sharingan.

To annex, Magatamas and Susano'o assaults aren't the only option for Sasuke to use. He still has his OHKO which is Kirin. If you people are the same ones who argued that Kakashi's raikiri infused kunai can get through Gaara's defenses, then you also have to argue that Sasuke's Chidori variants possibly can- especially Kirin.

I've got nothing more to add.


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I never said he'd fall for a Genjutsu and I never said that he isn't strong. I just implied that Sasuke is stronger. As for the Sasuke and Deidara fight; do you think that if Sasuke resorted to Kirin before Deidara could resort to his C0, would you think that the latter would've survived as well? You may call Sasuke's survival an asspull but that's never going to change the fact that he survived from it and that's leaving the fact that he hasn't even used his most powerful jutsu at that time. Deidara just had to draw out his trump card first before Sasuke can, that's all there is to it.
C0>Kirin Since CO is a definte kill has a range of 10km and takes little prep time compared to Kirin.
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Conversely, there is nothing to suggest that it can as well protect against unrelenting attacks for a significant period of time as I've said, if it can't hold its own against just four Mokuton Susano'o clones. I am speaking of Sasuke who can literally spam attacks without suffering much eye damage thanks to his Eien no Mangekyo Sharingan.
4 Susanoo's that are superior to any others. 4slashes at one time=/=1 arrow or 4 amaterasu magatamas(damage wise) Itachi and Sasuke's Magatamas haven't shown to be as powerfull as Madara's.
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To annex, Magatamas and Susano'o assaults aren't the only option for Sasuke to use. He still has his OHKO which is Kirin. If you people are the same ones who argued that Kakashi's raikiri infused kunai can get through Gaara's defenses, then you also have to argue that Sasuke's Chidori variants possibly can- especially Kirin.

I've got nothing more to add.
Kirin takes a long time to prep, and thats a last resort for Sasuke, as in he has little to no chakra left.

Kakashi rakiri is S-Rank, Chidor is A rank. It has been stated that Chidori variants are weaker than a regular Chidori, meaning that Rakiri is well above chidori variants.

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C0>Kirin Since CO is a definte kill has a range of 10km and takes little prep time compared to Kirin.
Yet it doesn't change the fact that both are OHKO's and preparation has nothing to do with its offensive power, which I was trying to address more on. Think about it, if Sasuke had used Kirin before Deidara resorted to his C0, would you think Deidara would've survived that the same way Sasuke did?

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Four mokuton clones that were more or less twenty five times weaker than that of Madara's original? I don't think so. That would only depend if you think that those Mokuton clones (or Madara's complete Susano'o perhaps) are as strong as that of the original or as strong as Itachi's and Sasuke's complete Susano'os combined. Even so, two complete Susano'os with equally devastating long range techniques should at least match up to those four Mokuton Susano'os (if not, more powerful offensively) that were simply forcing their way in- with regards to the damage they deliver.

I'm going to be honest here and I've already said this before; Gaara's sand isn't going to be that forevermore durable and fast enough to take on or react to speedy unrelenting assaults such as Susano'o arrows and Kagutsuchi Magatama that Sasuke is now capable of spamming.

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Sasuke only needs to shoot out fireballs and exploit the usage of Amaterasu. Plus I don't think he'd have to waste that much chakra when he has an alternative with his explosive tags. But anyway, it's not like Sasuke would need to have a lot of chakra for Kirin usage. It doesn't matter whether Kirin takes a long time to prepare, neither Gaara nor Deidara would realize that anyway. More so, it will depend if Gaara's sand shield can instantly react to that, the same way as Itachi with his Susano'o or better yet, if he still has enough chakra or sand left to defend from it.

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Yet it doesn't change the idea that both have incredible piercing abilities. If Sasuke's (weaker version of) Chidori has already breached Gaara's ultimate sand shield way back in part 1, then there's more reason to assume that it can potentially do so again, currently.


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anyway gaara defends deidara for a while untill deidara is in the air... then gaint bomb kill everything..
And that giant bomb destroys two complete Susano'os too?

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duh.. c3 destroy villages, it blew a an island on its side.. it will completly vaporize susanoo's.. which btw have been shown to be broken by physical blows(superior)and wind jutsu's..

if not c0 vaporizes everything..

and considering 5 clones of madara gaara had to go up against.. it is fair to say he can provide enough protection for deidara to get into the air..

madara's clones btw are rumoured to be so equal to madara himself that only madara himself could detect the difference.. i pretty much doubt sasuke or even itachi can use susanoo better then a madara's clone..

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duh.. c3 destroy villages, it blew a an island on its side.. it will completly vaporize susanoo's.. which btw have been shown to be broken by physical blows(superior)and wind jutsu's..

if not c0 vaporizes everything..

and considering 5 clones of madara gaara had to go up against.. it is fair to say he can provide enough protection for deidara to get into the air..

madara's clones btw are rumoured to be so equal to madara himself that only madara himself could detect the difference.. i pretty much doubt sasuke or even itachi can use susanoo better then a madara's clone..
Itachi's Susano'o already tanked Kirin that is just as destructive as C3 and it was just a ribcage that got broke if it was Tsunade's punch yer talking about and wind jutsu never really put a significant damage on complete susano'os. Whatever dude.

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Yet it doesn't change the fact that both are OHKO's and preparation has nothing to do with its offensive power, which I was trying to address more on. Think about it, if Sasuke had used Kirin before Deidara resorted to his C0, would you think Deidara would've survived that the same way Sasuke did?
No I don't think Deidara would use a s/t jutsu, summon manda, cast a genjutsu on manda, and hop inside his stomach. But I do believe that Deidara can avoid Kirin via clones, or flight. It would be hard to hit 2 targets with 1 kirin, and plus we don't know how powerfull the force of kirin is, we just know that it can pierce anything.
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I do believe 4 mokuton clones are superior than Itachi's susanoo, not Sasuke's because Sasuke has long range attack and can spam easily. But they are no match for Madara's Susanoo which is superior in every way. Madara's Susanoo's can also move freely with legs.
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I'm going to be honest here and I've already said this before; Gaara's sand isn't going to be that forevermore durable and fast enough to take on or react to speedy unrelenting assaults such as Susano'o arrows and Kagutsuchi Magatama that Sasuke is now capable of spamming.

No but it can stand up to the relenting assaults as Itachi and Sasuke ain't going to be pouring their whole offense to take out 1 characters defense without taking Deidara out. Amaterasu is a double edged sword in this scenario. Gaara can manipulate amaterasu via Sand carry and use it to attack Susanoo when its stopped by sand and immobilized.
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No but he needs a lot of chakra to prep Kirin, he needed to use CS to use the dragon fireballs and a forest on fire from Amaterasu. I don't see what you were trying to get at about the explosive tag. Gaara can smother the flames of Amaterasu with sand, no matter what fire can't burn with an accelerant, in the case of amaterasu it needed oxygen if Gaara covered it up with sand it would smother. I don't see Sasuke using Kirin in this scenario is when needs to use Susanoo for a long duration and won't have the chakra necessary to prep kirin.
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Yet it doesn't change the idea that both have incredible piercing abilities. If Sasuke's (weaker version of) Chidori has already breached Gaara's ultimate sand shield way back in part 1, then there's more reason to assume that it can potentially do so again, currently.
Gaara has advanced his sand abilities. Gaara turtled up in that scenario, in this scenario he is going to keep his distance and keep moving. I sure chidori can pierce Gaaras' sand, but Chidori Eisou and other variants don't imo since they are weaker than Chidori.

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Old 09-12-2012, 01:36 AM   #19
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Alright, I'm pulling out from this thread after this post. Though thought I'd just reply to those that are necessary.

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But I do believe that Deidara can avoid Kirin via clones, or flight.
To be able to avoid something as devastatingly destructive and fast as the thunder; one must carry some kind of knowledge or awareness about it for caution and counter preparations. Albeit not really necessary, just by having excellent reflexes (comparable to that of Itachi's) coupled with a perfect defense (like Susano'o) as compensation will suffice to guarantee survival- all of which that Deidara unfortunately do not have. And what makes me so certain that Deidara is incapable of avoiding such, let alone survive from? Zetsu himself blatantly stated that Kirin is completely unavoidable thus it should be given that one without insurmountable defense simply cannot evade from something unexpected, (that is also coming from the heavens in a jiffy)- with mere clone feints or flight like what you are suggesting.

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It would be hard to hit 2 targets with 1 kirin,
Remember when Sasuke indicated to utilize that same technique against his former team mates during their first encounter after how many years? That means he's confident enough that Kirin is capable of obliterating not just one but four targets with his one time- one hit knock out jutsu.

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and plus we don't know how powerfull the force of Kirin is,
We've only seen a single feat of Kirin. But it's powerful enough to be able to demolish an entire surrounding.

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Gaara can manipulate amaterasu via Sand carry and use it to attack Susanoo when its stopped by sand and immobilized.
When had he ever done such? Gaara was never shown capable of doing those simultaneously and Enton simply cannot be tossed back to the user as Sasuke can just suppress the flames when he realizes that his own technique is being used right under his nose. And I'm skeptical if Gaara can indeed manipulate Amaterasu via sand carry by the way.

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No but he needs a lot of chakra to prep Kirin,
Indeed yet chakra usage has never been an issue for Sasuke . When he battled Itachi, he already spent a lot of chakra just by tangoing with Itachi in a Genjutsu round, firing out several Katons and Chidori variants and yet still had enough of chakra left to use Oral rebirth and activated Juin (both have been stated to require a lot of chakra as well).

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I don't see what you were trying to get at about the explosive tag.
Never mind. I just thought it could contribute to amp up the pressure to create cumulonimbus clouds.

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Gaara can smother the flames of Amaterasu with sand,
Never seen that feat of his. Amaterasu continuously burns for days unless the user opt to suppress it.

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I don't see Sasuke using Kirin in this scenario is when needs to use Susanoo for a long duration and won't have the chakra necessary to prep kirin.
Pretty subjective considering you believe that Sasuke will run out of chakra via Susano'o usage before he demolishes their enemies.

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Gaara has advanced his sand abilities.
If Gaara's sand has advanced its sand abilities, then granted that so did Sasuke's Chidori variants with three years worth of hard training.


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Old 09-13-2012, 12:58 PM   #20
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Gaara and Deidara, being Gaara and Deidara, look into Itachi's and Sasuke's eyes and get Genjutsu GG'd.

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