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Old 08-29-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
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Mayuri has tricked Yamamoto. He is trying to get him killed. He is in league with the Quincy, and might be the reason they are still around.

Why did he kill those people in Rukongai (or however you spell it) without asking permission first, even though he would have gotten it? Because he was playing the Old Man like a fiddle. He wanted Yama to feel impotent, to think that his subordinates were doing what needed to be done before he did, and to remind him of his failures ("you should have killed that man one thousand years ago"). Probably why his VC was murdered as well. And he was probably the man who created their anti-Bankai devices.

Everythng that has transpired was orchestrated to get Yamamoto to fight Juhan Bach, and to die doing so. Mayuri's little talk was designed to twist the knife just enough so that, when his subordinates started losing their fights, Yama would snap and go straight into a suicide battle- cause lets face it, Yama is not going to win; no tension in that.

Might as well put it out there that I still think Mayuri was one of the two people with Aizen in Turn Back the Pendulum turning people into Hollows (because Gin was too short to be one of them), and following this that his experiments on the Qunicy might have been motivated by more than just curiosity, and had more of a purpose, maybe to create more Quincy which is where all these new ones come from.

All of this is a long winded way of saying I want my jerk back. I want the evil bastard Mayuri Kurotschi who beats his daughter for no reason and sends his subordinates on suicide missions, who forces fathers to set their sons on fire and is just generally not a nice person.

Thats the Mayuri I hope we see sometime soon.

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Old 08-29-2012, 04:42 PM   #2
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Sorry, but I can't accept an evil Mayuri. Plus I don't see him outsmarting Yama.

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Old 08-29-2012, 04:45 PM   #3
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Nah. I don't like this theory at all.

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Old 08-29-2012, 04:55 PM   #4
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Sorry, but I can't accept an evil Mayuri. Plus I don't see him outsmarting Yama.
Mayuri is hardcore evil and always has been. Its been canon ever since he fought Uryu.

And Yama is not all that bright. Either he knows just what kind of sick bastard Mayuri is and what horrible stuff he's been getting up to over the century, or he doesn't- either way, he's not very clever for keeping him on the payroll. And Aizen played him like a fiddle.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:06 PM   #5
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Also, remember that Mayuri did not want Ichigo to come here and was pissed that his squad contacted him

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:09 PM   #6
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Sorry, but I can't accept an evil Mayuri. Plus I don't see him outsmarting Yama.
Wait what?

Mayuri sacrifices minions, massacres innocents and tortures enemies to death.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:16 PM   #7
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Mayuri being an evil traitor would ruin his character. He represents the dark side of soul society. What's really horrifying is they allow him to live. It's kind of like living with and funding a Dr.Mengele.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:25 PM   #8
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Yeah, that wouldn't really ruin the character. That would be perfectly in-keeping with him.

Apparently mass murder and human experiments are okay, but treason is unforgivable. All this would do is make him important.

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Yeah, that wouldn't really ruin the character. That would be perfectly in-keeping with him.

Apparently mass murder and human experiments are okay, but treason is unforgivable. All this would do is make him important.
It would ruin his character. The entire reason Mayuri is so interesting is because he's a complete and utter monster but is still on the side of the good guys and seems devoted to actually helping them in his own way.

Him being a generic traitor would ruin all that.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:33 PM   #10
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Mayuri wasn't with Aizen.

That said, yeah I can totally see him being a part of this. Remember, Kubo himself has stated that he'll play a major part in this arc. Don't assume it's simply due to his knowledge of the Quincy.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:47 PM   #11
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Evil Mayuri is a used card. I don`t see this side of his character playing important role in the story again.

He is a sick scientist without morale. That`s his role in the story. He is into science, not politics or ideology, so I don`t see him being a traitor and plotting a coup.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:47 PM   #12
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It would ruin his character. The entire reason Mayuri is so interesting is because he's a complete and utter monster but is still on the side of the good guys and seems devoted to actually helping them in his own way.

Him being a generic traitor would ruin all that.
The manga is coming to an end; this is the final arc. And since Mayuri is indeed a complete and utter monster, it would be kind of annoying if he didn't meet some deliciously karmic end for his crimes.

A character isn't defined by his role in the story- he is defined by his character. Mayuri isn't on the side of the good guys- he has always been on his own side, and has just been using SS for his own ends in his own way. But he is so hilariously evil that he gets away with it, where he could easily have been one of the most derided in the manga had the rest of his character been different.

Either way, he is certainly pursuing his own agenda and its one the heroes will probably end up opposing. But even if he does turn traitor, that hardly would make him generic- it depends on how it is handled, and what his motives were etc. If Mayuri thought for a second that SS was going to lose this or any other war he certainly wouldn't hesistate to switch sides if it benefitted him, so it wouldn't be out-of-character for him to have been plotting against them all along; technically, he always has been, since I'm pretty sure murdering your own subordinates is frowned upon in most organizations.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:49 PM   #13
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He is a sick scientist without morale. That`s his role in the story. He is into science, not politics or ideology, so I don`t see him being a traitor and plotting a coup.
If it would benefit him in some way, he certainly would. I mean, for a start, he wouldn't have to cover up his research anymore. Plus, this could be the fruits of his research, or part of some research in itself.

Maybe he wants to dissect God.

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Old 08-29-2012, 05:55 PM   #14
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I like this theory.

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Not really

Mayuri is an evil monster, but he's Soul Society's Evil Monster

He has no interest in others muscling in on the position (At least, those that claim to be/usurp god).

He already said in his fight with Ishida he was finished studying quincy, which involved dissecting hundreds of them, I highly doubt he or the quincy would be allying with each other anytime soon.

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Mayuri has tricked Yamamoto. He is trying to get him killed. He is in league with the Quincy, and might be the reason they are still around.

Why did he kill those people in Rukongai (or however you spell it) without asking permission first, even though he would have gotten it? Because he was playing the Old Man like a fiddle. He wanted Yama to feel impotent, to think that his subordinates were doing what needed to be done before he did, and to remind him of his failures ("you should have killed that man one thousand years ago"). Probably why his VC was murdered as well. And he was probably the man who created their anti-Bankai devices.

Everythng that has transpired was orchestrated to get Yamamoto to fight Juhan Bach, and to die doing so. Mayuri's little talk was designed to twist the knife just enough so that, when his subordinates started losing their fights, Yama would snap and go straight into a suicide battle- cause lets face it, Yama is not going to win; no tension in that.

Might as well put it out there that I still think Mayuri was one of the two people with Aizen in Turn Back the Pendulum turning people into Hollows (because Gin was too short to be one of them), and following this that his experiments on the Qunicy might have been motivated by more than just curiosity, and had more of a purpose, maybe to create more Quincy which is where all these new ones come from.

All of this is a long winded way of saying I want my jerk back. I want the evil bastard Mayuri Kurotschi who beats his daughter for no reason and sends his subordinates on suicide missions, who forces fathers to set their sons on fire and is just generally not a nice person.

Thats the Mayuri I hope we see sometime soon.
Why would Mayuri work with the group who are out for revenge even though he butchered thousands of their people?

Mayuri's still a jerk. That's how he always was. It's just that he's not an antagonist now, so we can see his other sides.

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Mayuri is hardcore evil and always has been. Its been canon ever since he fought Uryu.

And Yama is not all that bright. Either he knows just what kind of sick bastard Mayuri is and what horrible stuff he's been getting up to over the century, or he doesn't- either way, he's not very clever for keeping him on the payroll. And Aizen played him like a fiddle.
Mayuri was hardcore evil in the Soul Society Arc. That was about 8-9 years ago. Since then he hasn't done anything that could be classified as evil.


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Old 08-30-2012, 05:00 AM   #17
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You want him to be another Aizen clone which is a pretty bad idea, one of that is enough it gets kind of tiring and pointless to have yet another character be an Aizen. Mayuri should be Soul Society's evil dr Mengele but not evil traitor who outsmarted the captain commanders for years and is behind the events and even now is manipulating things. Personally I would not like to see this happen.

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Mayuri wasn't with Aizen.

That said, yeah I can totally see him being a part of this. Remember, Kubo himself has stated that he'll play a major part in this arc. Don't assume it's simply due to his knowledge of the Quincy.
That true? I should read the latest Interview.

Mh.
He could very well be the Person who's going to find a way to deactivate/bypass the Anti-Bankai devices.

That'd be a Major role, too.

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I'd rather have Mayuri on the good side. He's evil but good at once. It would suck to see him as villain, considering i love when HE battles the villains.

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Old 08-31-2012, 07:23 AM   #20
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Mayuri is hardcore evil and always has been. Its been canon ever since he fought Uryu.

And Yama is not all that bright. Either he knows just what kind of sick bastard Mayuri is and what horrible stuff he's been getting up to over the century, or he doesn't- either way, he's not very clever for keeping him on the payroll. And Aizen played him like a fiddle.
Yamma isn't stupid at all. I doubt he cares what Mayuri does as lopng as he doesn't disobey direct orders and keeps the technology flowing. When it comes down to it no one outside of the Captain and Vice Captain in a division even matter (combat-wise in most cases), regardless of what anyone thinks about it.

Not all psychopaths betray their governments ideals, especially if they were high-ranked and well compensated with victims/tools. We can't even call Mayuri a sociapath because he does have honest emotions, of course the only ones we've seen from him are delight and rage.

Soi Fon more or less said the same thing about the Central 46 to Aizen. His response was not just C46, I fooled everyone.

Don't worry Mayuri is still the sick fucker you/I want. I'm sure he still beats and fondles nemu off-pannel. It's not rape after all , its masturbation.

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