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Vector Prime seems to post a lot of rambling non-sense that takes a lot of things out of context as well as realies solely on badly translated English scans.

The whole retarded argument about how all the dead and living Gold Saints after getting the 8th Sense using sunlight to destroy a small portion of the Wailing Wall for the Bronze Saints and being killed in the subsequent backlash of energy was him claiming all 12 equal = a star, specifically the sun in power. If I remember right it was explicitly stated in the French and Spanish and original raw itself that they were just generating SUNLIGHT not POWER since the Wailing Wall's weakness is light itself. Kanon's own suicide blast against Rhadamanthys WITHOUT THE GEMINI GOLD CLOTH destroyed a star system full of planets using a normal Cosmos attack, not even GE or anything else and flew into fucking space.

That alone disproves it.

And remember during Poseidon's, it took the Libra Weapons which are normally sealed and carried by the Libra Saint (Dohko) to destroy most of the Pillars of Atlantis, and these are weapons created originally by Athena. This things massively amp up a Saint's destructive power and are comparable to the output offensively or defensively to the Gold Cloths themselves. Those didn't do a damn thing against the Wailing Wall even with Shaka, Mu, Aiolia, Dohko, and Milo throwing themselves at it.

So yeah, this guy really doesn't know a damn thing and I'll leave it at that.

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Now lets start I will begin from Galaxian Wars. Let's how powerful really are Bronze Saints. Notification these are not Bronze Saints which achived 7th sense.

Regular Bronze Saint can move at mach 1 (traveling speed) and achive 100 punches per second. That's reaction time of 10 miliseconds or 20 times better than human. For example Spiderman has 40 times better reactions than regular human, and thus 2 times faster reaction than Bronze Saint. I've seen OBDers claim that Bronze Saints have star+durability. Let's see if that's true:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0166.jpg here we can see that Seiya has been hurt after force of 1870kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0169.jpg here he gets unconcious after force of 1940kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0173.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0174.jpg

here we can see that force of 4000kg is enough to totaly shatter Bronze Cloth.

Anyway let's see some other feats of Bronze Saints:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0188.jpg

Hyoga making about 2m in diamter whole in tick ice, and that's without the armour

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...93.jpg-another look at the whole. It looks like ice was about 1m thick

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0194.jpg - some little info about his durability

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0196.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0197.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0198.jpg

destroying a half of part of a glacier which should be around 6m high with single punch

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0227.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0228.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0229.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0230.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0231_0232.jpg

Famous Dragon Shiryu's waterfall reversing. If check the scans you'll, that it wasn't done by physical strength actually and MORE IMPORTANT HE DIDN'T REVERSED IT AT ALL. JUST ONE SMALLER PART OF WATER GONE UPWARDS IN SHAPE OF DRAGON. Indicating that Shiryu used his signature technique Dragon Fist (for the first time) in order to acomplish a feat. And techniques of Saints don't follow the laws of physics very much.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0234.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0235_0236.jpg - here is the Dragon Fist for comparison with waterfall. So how much force was behind that technique ? Given a fact that Seiya was KOed by 1940kg aplied on his throat, also Dragon Fist wasn't aplied on his throat diretcly, but on his whole body, and the fact Bronze Cloth shatters at 4000kg, we can make some calcs.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0237.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0238.jpg

Here is Seiya after attack, hurt but not even KOed. So we can say it was more than 2000kg (1940kg was amplied directly on throat this was on whole body) but less than 4000kg. Keep in mind those are regular Bronze Clothes which shatter at 4tons, not improved.
Also if you take 2000kg-4000kg and compare it with waterfall feat, you'll see it's quite enough to produce the burst of quantity of water shown on scans with Dragon's feat.

Furthere you might see hyperboles presented in Dragon's speach (about no one being able to endure his attack...), those hyperboles are present during entire Galaxian Wars(I could post tons of links with those hyperboles but it would be a waste of time ) and they are presenting Bronze Saints as top dogs in the world, so THIER WORDS SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH CAUTION.

With all of the above it's quite obvious that Bronze Saints are high street level (and I see claims they are star + and city level in durability and destructive power). Characters like Midnighter, Spiderman, Venom, Carnage can defeat them. Although Bronze Saints would give a good fight. And before anyone of you SHOUTS: BRONZE SAINTS CAN MOVE AT MACH 1 !!! I must remind you that's a traveling speed and 4 guys that I mention above can react to gun shoots at point blank. Also guys like Sandman can defeat anyone of them 1 on 1. I repeat Bronze Saints aren't helpless agiast those characters I mention which oculd defeat them.

For strenght level of Bronzies:

Striking strength: 5 tons (high end, based on high-end estimations of Hyoga's feat)
Lifting strength: 5-8tons

Before anyone of you yells that Striking strength is too low, I'll remind you that Humphrey brothers can break seven plates of 15cm ice thick ice put togather with ram of the shoulders. See this in order for understanding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Q2p...feature=relmfu - skip to 7.50 and watch. That feat was acomplish by what would might be considered lesser peak human
This is the end of part 1. I want to hear some opinions and than i will contiue, since this is practicly my first job of debunking here.

Also everything I posted is the same no matter if Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, French, English or USA text and translations. And why is only for Saint Seiya ''that's wrong translations" exuse widely accepted ? For all other fictions ii really doesn't matter which translations those are. By the way those are 100% accurate translations. Also watch the anime in order to see that what I'm talking is true.

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I don't give a shit about the rest, but no one here gives two fucks about the difference between "traveling speed" and "combat speed", and rightfully so

hell, the manga practically even says they can both move and fight at mach 1, with each punch moving at that speed

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This reminds me of Unknown claiming that there were magical hyperspace gates accelerating the Bronzes when they raced from Makai to Elysion or Saga being a Wizard

well the latter is probably true after all Saga > meteor storms with his fist

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Vector Prime seems to post a lot of rambling non-sense that takes a lot of things out of context as well as realies solely on badly translated English scans.

The whole retarded argument about how all the dead and living Gold Saints after getting the 8th Sense using sunlight to destroy a small portion of the Wailing Wall for the Bronze Saints and being killed in the subsequent backlash of energy was him claiming all 12 equal = a star, specifically the sun in power. If I remember right it was explicitly stated in the French and Spanish and original raw itself that they were just generating SUNLIGHT not POWER since the Wailing Wall's weakness is light itself. Kanon's own suicide blast against Rhadamanthys WITHOUT THE GEMINI GOLD CLOTH destroyed a star system full of planets using a normal Cosmos attack, not even GE or anything else and flew into fucking space.

That alone disproves it.

And remember during Poseidon's, it took the Libra Weapons which are normally sealed and carried by the Libra Saint (Dohko) to destroy most of the Pillars of Atlantis, and these are weapons created originally by Athena. This things massively amp up a Saint's destructive power and are comparable to the output offensively or defensively to the Gold Cloths themselves. Those didn't do a damn thing against the Wailing Wall even with Shaka, Mu, Aiolia, Dohko, and Milo throwing themselves at it.

So yeah, this guy really doesn't know a damn thing and I'll leave it at that.
Ok let's who doens't know a damn thing. I was planing to do this later but I'll do it now. First you claim Kanon destroyed entire solar system. Just to mention Kanon vs Rhadamanthus was done in Underworld no stars and planets down there, but let's see the feat:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2643.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2644.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2645.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2646.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2647.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2648.jpg

Here is the whole instance. Fact is Kanon wasn't flying it's his cloth that we see flying. Second he used Galaxian Explosion to kill himself and Judge. Third those planets which appear on the last link are from Galaxian Explosion. Without debating if Galaxian Explosion has a destructive power of galaxy I think that all are familiar that when Galaxian Explosion is used, illusion of planets appear charging into opponets. Best example that those are illusions is when Saga uses Galaxian Explosion in temple. We see many planets inside the temple, and they are illusions since planet can't be put inside the temple (is much, much bigger in case you don't know :-) ) So those planets are illusions from Galaxian Explosion and this feat is widely used to prove planet busting in Saint Seiya. So all of you can see that it's a hoax.

Now I'll adress the Wailing Wall in other post since it's a cream of the pie and it deserves it's own post.

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Now lets start I will begin from Galaxian Wars. Let's how powerful really are Bronze Saints. Notification these are not Bronze Saints which achived 7th sense.

Regular Bronze Saint can move at mach 1 (traveling speed) and achive 100 punches per second. That's reaction time of 10 miliseconds or 20 times better than human. For example Spiderman has 40 times better reactions than regular human, and thus 2 times faster reaction than Bronze Saint. I've seen OBDers claim that Bronze Saints have star+durability. Let's see if that's true:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0166.jpg here we can see that Seiya has been hurt after force of 1870kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0169.jpg here he gets unconcious after force of 1940kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0173.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0174.jpg

here we can see that force of 4000kg is enough to totaly shatter Bronze Cloth.

Anyway let's see some other feats of Bronze Saints:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0188.jpg

Hyoga making about 2m in diamter whole in tick ice, and that's without the armour

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...93.jpg-another look at the whole. It looks like ice was about 1m thick

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0194.jpg - some little info about his durability

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0196.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0197.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0198.jpg

destroying a half of part of a glacier which should be around 6m high with single punch

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0227.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0228.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0229.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0230.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0231_0232.jpg

Famous Dragon Shiryu's waterfall reversing. If check the scans you'll, that it wasn't done by physical strength actually and MORE IMPORTANT HE DIDN'T REVERSED IT AT ALL. JUST ONE SMALLER PART OF WATER GONE UPWARDS IN SHAPE OF DRAGON. Indicating that Shiryu used his signature technique Dragon Fist (for the first time) in order to acomplish a feat. And techniques of Saints don't follow the laws of physics very much.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0234.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0235_0236.jpg - here is the Dragon Fist for comparison with waterfall. So how much force was behind that technique ? Given a fact that Seiya was KOed by 1940kg aplied on his throat, also Dragon Fist wasn't aplied on his throat diretcly, but on his whole body, and the fact Bronze Cloth shatters at 4000kg, we can make some calcs.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0237.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0238.jpg

Here is Seiya after attack, hurt but not even KOed. So we can say it was more than 2000kg (1940kg was amplied directly on throat this was on whole body) but less than 4000kg. Keep in mind those are regular Bronze Clothes which shatter at 4tons, not improved.
Also if you take 2000kg-4000kg and compare it with waterfall feat, you'll see it's quite enough to produce the burst of quantity of water shown on scans with Dragon's feat.

Furthere you might see hyperboles presented in Dragon's speach (about no one being able to endure his attack...), those hyperboles are present during entire Galaxian Wars(I could post tons of links with those hyperboles but it would be a waste of time ) and they are presenting Bronze Saints as top dogs in the world, so THIER WORDS SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH CAUTION.

With all of the above it's quite obvious that Bronze Saints are high street level (and I see claims they are star + and city level in durability and destructive power). Characters like Midnighter, Spiderman, Venom, Carnage can defeat them. Although Bronze Saints would give a good fight. And before anyone of you SHOUTS: BRONZE SAINTS CAN MOVE AT MACH 1 !!! I must remind you that's a traveling speed and 4 guys that I mention above can react to gun shoots at point blank. Also guys like Sandman can defeat anyone of them 1 on 1. I repeat Bronze Saints aren't helpless agiast those characters I mention which oculd defeat them.

For strenght level of Bronzies:

Striking strength: 5 tons (high end, based on high-end estimations of Hyoga's feat)
Lifting strength: 5-8tons

Before anyone of you yells that Striking strength is too low, I'll remind you that Humphrey brothers can break seven plates of 15cm ice thick ice put togather with ram of the shoulders. See this in order for understanding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Q2p...feature=relmfu - skip to 7.50 and watch. That feat was acomplish by what would might be considered lesser peak human
This is the end of part 1. I want to hear some opinions and than i will contiue, since this is practicly my first job of debunking here.

Also everything I posted is the same no matter if Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, French, English or USA text and translations. And why is only for Saint Seiya ''that's wrong translations" exuse widely accepted ? For all other fictions ii really doesn't matter which translations those are. By the way those are 100% accurate translations. Also watch the anime in order to see that what I'm talking is true.
I hadn't read most of Saint Seiya but I'm pretty sure your looking at low-ends or making false assumptions just from what I remember from watching the anime when I was a kid.

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Vector Prime seems to post a lot of rambling non-sense that takes a lot of things out of context as well as realies solely on badly translated English scans.

The whole retarded argument about how all the dead and living Gold Saints after getting the 8th Sense using sunlight to destroy a small portion of the Wailing Wall for the Bronze Saints and being killed in the subsequent backlash of energy was him claiming all 12 equal = a star, specifically the sun in power. If I remember right it was explicitly stated in the French and Spanish and original raw itself that they were just generating SUNLIGHT not POWER since the Wailing Wall's weakness is light itself. Kanon's own suicide blast against Rhadamanthys WITHOUT THE GEMINI GOLD CLOTH destroyed a star system full of planets using a normal Cosmos attack, not even GE or anything else and flew into fucking space.

That alone disproves it.

And remember during Poseidon's, it took the Libra Weapons which are normally sealed and carried by the Libra Saint (Dohko) to destroy most of the Pillars of Atlantis, and these are weapons created originally by Athena. This things massively amp up a Saint's destructive power and are comparable to the output offensively or defensively to the Gold Cloths themselves. Those didn't do a damn thing against the Wailing Wall even with Shaka, Mu, Aiolia, Dohko, and Milo throwing themselves at it.

So yeah, this guy really doesn't know a damn thing and I'll leave it at that.
Now for the cream of the pie.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/h2625.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2632.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2633.jpg

They explain how to penetrate the Wailing Wall

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2634.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2635.jpg

Libra Dohko states that all 12 of them combined, using their maximum power can ONLY REPLICATE POWER OF THE SUN ON SMALL SCALE.

BONUS: http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2638.jpg Marin states that almight universal + Hades hates and fears the Sun. Universal + god afraid from a small star such as Sun ? Well in that case he isn't universal at all, he isn't even a star level.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2650.jpg
All 12 gold saints have gathered.

You and many other Saint Seiya fanboys claim that all they did was generated the sunlight (which by the way is far less impressive, since all 12 of them needed to unite their max power just in order to generate the sun light). But let's for what they used A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2653.jpg It is used in order for them to power up Aioros's arrow. And by the way that's immense energy for Saints. SO THEY DIDN'T charged sun light/ energy diretcly into a Wailing Wall like you claim. They powered up Aioros's arrow. So A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER WAS USED FOR POWER UP AND NOT FOR LIGHT SHOW.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2654.jpg - hades uses avatars in order for himself not to be hurt (yes for sure universal level durability). By the way why does the almighty hades - creator of the universes only want to conquer the Earth ? Well since that's his ambition nr.1 he for sure isn't even close to universal level (his feats also confirm this).

By the way ULTIMATE BARRIER of the Gods Wailing Wall being penetrated by small amount of Sun powers, yes SS gods for sure are universal+ and their ultimate creation can be destroyed by Sun's light. Gimme a break with that wanking !!!

So the almighty Gold Saints can only REPLICATE SMALL AMOUNT OF SUN'S POWER WHEN UNITING THEIR MAX POWER

By the way sunligth/sunrays (call it as you want) is a fraction of Sun's power genius(es) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight .

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