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Old 05-05-2012, 12:00 AM   #1
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It's highly doubtful that Jiraiya fought Pain with his full strength because

1) He had to conserve as much chakra as he possibly could because he knew absolutely nothing about Pain, while gathering information about him at the same time. - That's been stated that Jiraiya had to fight very carefully and conserve as much chakra as possible.

2) Pain or Yahiko + Nagato was his student.


I don't think we've seen how truly powerful Jiraiya is. I have no doubt that he would have beaten Pain if he knew what he did when he died.

Now, the main part I'm trying to get at is Itachi and Kisame. Jiraiya seemed so confident in defeating them and was actually pretty casual about it like, "oh, I guess I'll have to kill these guys now" and they actually HAD to run away from Jiraiya. The only way they were able to get away was because of Amaterasu.

It seemed like he would have been able to defeat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time.

What do you guys think? How strong do you think Jiraiya really was?

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Old 05-05-2012, 12:02 AM   #2
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He is a low-top tier in his own verse

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Old 05-05-2012, 06:44 AM   #3
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It's highly doubtful that Jiraiya fought Pain with his full strength because

1) He had to conserve as much chakra as he possibly could because he knew absolutely nothing about Pain, while gathering information about him at the same time. - That's been stated that Jiraiya had to fight very carefully and conserve as much chakra as possible.

2) Pain or Yahiko + Nagato was his student.


I don't think we've seen how truly powerful Jiraiya is. I have no doubt that he would have beaten Pain if he knew what he did when he died.

Now, the main part I'm trying to get at is Itachi and Kisame. Jiraiya seemed so confident in defeating them and was actually pretty casual about it like, "oh, I guess I'll have to kill these guys now" and they actually HAD to run away from Jiraiya. The only way they were able to get away was because of Amaterasu.

It seemed like he would have been able to defeat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time.

What do you guys think? How strong do you think Jiraiya really was?

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Old 05-05-2012, 07:40 AM   #4
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Ive always thought he was just below itachi. Umm I do think he was going all out against pain though.

You might be right about him being able to beat pain with knowledge though, by finding nagato that is. As for the itachi and kisame incident, we know itachi wasn't really going to capture naruto, he just needed an excuse to abandon the mission

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:31 AM   #6
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Now, the main part I'm trying to get at is Itachi and Kisame. Jiraiya seemed so confident in defeating them and was actually pretty casual about it like, "oh, I guess I'll have to kill these guys now" and they actually HAD to run away from Jiraiya. The only way they were able to get away was because of Amaterasu.

It seemed like he would have been able to defeat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time.
Jiraiya saying this was a bluff. Ninjas bluff all the time (ie Kakashi saying he'd have to stop Orochimaru when he was protecting Sasuke during the exam).

Jiraiya knew the other two were in a very time sensitive situation. The longer they waited, the more Konoha ninjas would come. He knew they'd run if he put his foot down.

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:37 PM   #7
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Jiraiya was the sensei of Nagato, Konan, Minato, and Naruto. He was asked to become the Hokage but he declined. Hanzo, Itachi, and Kisame both gave him unconditional respect.

He was one of the strongest shinobi we've seen in this story, and one of the strongest we'll ever see.

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Jiraiya vs Pain is a tough one to judge. Pain flat out admitted that if Jiraiya had knowledge on his abilities (like Naruto had), he would have won. On the flip side of that, Pain wouldn't have used his strongest jutsu in that location because it would destroy his own village. Also you have to remember that the fight turned once Jiraiya lost his arm, which again came down to the knowledge thing.

Anyway, Jiraiya is one of the strongest characters in the series, and more importantly he's probably the greatest, all-round shinobi. What I mean by that is that he can do everything. Fight short, mid and long range, infiltrate villages, 'capture' people, spy without anyone knowing, teaching ect.

I'm not too keen on the whole 'tier' stuff as so many fights depend on circumstance, but there aren't many who are stronger than Jiraiya.

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Jiraiya saying this was a bluff. Ninjas bluff all the time (ie Kakashi saying he'd have to stop Orochimaru when he was protecting Sasuke during the exam).

Jiraiya knew the other two were in a very time sensitive situation. The longer they waited, the more Konoha ninjas would come. He knew they'd run if he put his foot down.
It was stated by Itachi that he would die or both if he fought Jiraiya which is why they tried to distract him when trying to capture Naruto.

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Jiraiya was the sensei of Nagato, Konan, Minato, and Naruto. He was asked to become the Hokage but he declined. Hanzo, Itachi, and Kisame both gave him unconditional respect.

He was one of the strongest shinobi we've seen in this story, and one of the strongest we'll ever see.

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100% Agree.

Jiraiya had an amazing Toad Techniques and his last moments was with a smile because he didn't want to kill Yahiko or Nagato as they were his former students.

The strongest three - Jiraiya-sama, Minato, and Naruto.

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I think he was fighting at his fullest strength. Because,

1. He was prepared for dangerous battle, unlike many other battles where ninja are caught unprepared or at a bad time.

2. He believed it was his destiny to kill Nagato and save the world. He spent his most of his life waiting for the moment to fulfill the prophecy and I have no doubt he had absolute resolve.

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It's highly doubtful that Jiraiya fought Pain with his full strength because

1) He had to conserve as much chakra as he possibly could because he knew absolutely nothing about Pain, while gathering information about him at the same time. - That's been stated that Jiraiya had to fight very carefully and conserve as much chakra as possible.

2) Pain or Yahiko + Nagato was his student.


I don't think we've seen how truly powerful Jiraiya is. I have no doubt that he would have beaten Pain if he knew what he did when he died.

Now, the main part I'm trying to get at is Itachi and Kisame. Jiraiya seemed so confident in defeating them and was actually pretty casual about it like, "oh, I guess I'll have to kill these guys now" and they actually HAD to run away from Jiraiya. The only way they were able to get away was because of Amaterasu.

It seemed like he would have been able to defeat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time.

What do you guys think? How strong do you think Jiraiya really was?
This again ? Itachi solo's, much less adding tailed beast kisame into the mix ,


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Old 05-06-2012, 02:54 AM   #13
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Weaker than villains like Tobi, Kabuto, Madara and Pain, maybe Hashirama. Plus main characters. Equal with Minato, Orochimaru and Itachi(stone-scissors-paper system). Stronger than everyone else.

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Jiraiya was pretty strong, but still, he got raped by Pain from ass to mouth. He went all out on Pain during their bout.

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the OP is biased isn't it.

you're saying jiraiya didn't fight at full strength yet ignore the fact that he was defeated by only 3 pains. remember, deva path is the strongest and he never used ST, or CT which was the main skills that destroyed konoha and almost captured naruto.

the only skill that pain used against jiraiya was summoning and absorbing. he didn't even use machine guy, human realm to steal his soul, ST/CT, or any of those.

i won't get to the specifics, because that's what pain chose to do, but the point is you can't simply make 'IFs' and say jiraiya could've won. both had handicaps, and the winner was pain.


aside from that, we definitely know that jiraiya was probably somewhere close to orochimaru. he could be sronger, but that doesn't matter their roughly equals. and we also know he's weaker than minato, because...well because that's basically what he himself said.

going by how the manga works, he's probably slightly stronger than oro. whether this oro is restricted from ET or not is vague: we just know that he was somewhat close to oro and that seeing as how jiraiya's got the WoF, he's slightly stronger.

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Jiraiya was old, and as you all now that chakra is lower, much lower, he didnt now any of Pains weakness either abilities.. he was fight and in same time finding their skills, there was 3 of them, all linked with different abilities.. even Naruto would have losed if the Kyuubi haven't reacted. So I guess Jiraiya was very strong, and pretty smart, he had to fight and still make a plan what to do next.. if he just new a little bit more, he would have won

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Jiraya is just as strong as his other Sannin teammates

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hm I dont think that Tsunade is up to his level, or Orochimaro, I somehow think he was a little bit stronger, but he didn't show it

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hm I dont think that Tsunade is up to his level, or Orochimaro, I somehow think he was a little bit stronger, but he didn't show it
I always considered them equal, and if Oro vs Jiraya would happen, then I can see Jiraya winning due to WoF or something

As for Tsunade, she hasn't gone all out yet (anime viewers only thread ). But she is powerful, not to mention in DB she has the stats on par with the other Sannin

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Jiraya is just as strong as his other Sannin teammates
I think Jiraiya is stronger than Tsunade.

When Jiraiya convinced Tsunade to be the Hokage, he said to her something like, "If you turn your back on Konoha, I will kill you".

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