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Old 04-28-2012, 03:33 PM   #1
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Default So Danzo = root of all evil?

I mean, Kabuto was influenced by Danzo and Orochimaru the most into becoming what he is. Oro formed Kabuto almost completely, but let us not forget that Danzo was the initiator.

Also, I think Oro's ruthless personality and disregard for what is good and what is wrong is thanks to Danzo at least partially.

But from where did Danzo pick up that kind of thinking? Is he simply a bad seed, and did all these things because it was his nature or was he formed into becoming evil somehow?

Because when we look at Konoha ninjas, in general they don't want to start fights and care for well being of others. Suigetsu even commented that Sasuke is a typical Leaf ninja when Sasuke didn't want to kill anyone which means they are known for being merciful. Especially characters like Hashirama, Hiruzen, Kakashi and others.
So I just wonder why was Danzo so fucked up that he influenced many others in a negative way?

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Old 04-28-2012, 03:43 PM   #2
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Interesting question.Mmm...at the moment the only one that comes to my mind is Madara.
Maybe his persona had a certain influence on someone like Danzou who at some point chose a different "way of ninja" from Hiruzen.

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Old 04-28-2012, 03:44 PM   #3
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He's certainly had his hands in all the pies it seems. We know he has connection, or influenced

Orochimaru
Kabuto
Nagato, Yahiko and Konan
Itachi
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Tobi

So yeah, he's definitely had a part to play in the development of almost all the major antagonists of the series.

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Old 04-28-2012, 03:45 PM   #4
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Danzou was one of those guys who thought the end justifies the means; as long as he kept his home safe and stable, he was willing to do anything regardless of the human cost.

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He's not evil, you should stop looking at him as good or bad.
He is amoral and only driven by the goals of stability and security.

Is it wrong to torture people if their information will save lives?
Is it wrong to kill someone if they are a threat?
Is it wrong to manipulate people to protect an entire village?

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Old 04-28-2012, 04:13 PM   #6
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:15 PM   #7
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He's not evil, you should stop looking at him as good or bad.
He is amoral and only driven by the goals of stability and security.

Is it wrong to torture people if their information will save lives?
Is it wrong to kill someone if they are a threat?
Is it wrong to manipulate people to protect an entire village?
I think loving ones country is a virtue, but when does a virtue become a sin? I believe there are defined limits to everything. Most characters from Konoha that we know of wouldn't go so low as Danzo did.
So I was just wondering how come he turned out like this and started some hard core ninja drill, he seems more like an exception.

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:20 PM   #8
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Everyone got pimped by danzo yeah.

Medic fodder kabuto = become nerdragon villain.

Sissy nagato = was force to use deva pain awesomeness.

Itachi = Itachi but with a baddass reputation for killing his family.


I still think Tobi >> Danzo, at being evil, Danzo was pimp for the sake of the village, tobi is just doing it for whatever reason.

The reason for uchiha being killed was because tobi release the kyuubi and that also made naruto a jinjuuriki.

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:21 PM   #9
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Nonono. It's obvious throughout the manga, that the cause for all suffering is the system. It's because of the system that Danzo does -in his eyes, has to do- what he does.

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basically what I was going to quote. ^2nded

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:57 PM   #11
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Nonono. It's obvious throughout the manga, that the cause for all suffering is the system. It's because of the system that Danzo does -in his eyes, has to do- what he does.
Well that is probably what Kishi is trying to do here. But even with the system, as brutal as it is, there are no ninjas like Danzo. Even in other villages.
If everyone was like him, the alliance wouldn't work. Most other characters we have seen are fairly decent, they have their limits at how far they are willing to go.

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:57 PM   #12
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It's possible that Danzou was one of Madara's students before he went rogue, just as Hiruzen was one of Hashirama's students before he died.

Danzou also adopted the kill-your-closest-friend training method derived from the Uchiha clan, which Tobi also brought to the Bloody Mist.

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It's possible that Danzou was one of Madara's students before he went rogue, just as Hiruzen was one of Hashirama's students before he died.

Danzou also adopted the kill-your-closest-friend training method derived from the Uchiha clan, which Tobi also brought to the Bloody Mist.
Yeah i too belive that, sarutobi was trained by hashirama or follow more his ideals, while danzo follow the ideals of tobirama/madara.

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Danzou...the "Root" of all evil.

I see what you did there.

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Old 04-28-2012, 10:45 PM   #15
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Even Orochimaru was more humane than Danzo. In the end his "national security" shit only damaged Konoha more, see edo tensei. Thanks to him Kabuto became Kabutomaru which resulted in edo tensei which resulted in edo Madara which resulted in Kages being currently raped and thousands of deaths.

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Damn right he is the root of all evil, the main failed hard at protecting Konoha. Hell the one chance he had to show some balls, he hid in his cave with his emotionless pawns. He later goes on to diss everyone who gave their all actually protecting the village.

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Also, I think Oro's ruthless personality and disregard for what is good and what is wrong is thanks to Danzo at least partially.
That's certainly possible.

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Even Orochimaru was more humane than Danzo.
I think we're forgetting Oro's evils here.

He experimented on babies, kidnapped random people for his own interests, used loyal followers as sacrificial pawns, started war for entertainment purposes, stole bodies, raised the dead and had them face loved ones, and even ordered his prisoners to kill eachother just so he could find out which was the strongest.

The guy was evil incarnate. Danzo's just a paranoid jerk by comparison.

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I think we're forgetting Oro's evils here.

He experimented on babies, kidnapped random people for his own interests, used loyal followers as sacrificial pawns, started war for entertainment purposes, stole bodies, raised the dead and had them faced loved ones, and even ordered his prisoners to kill eachother just so he could find out which was the strongest.

The guy was evil incarnate. Danzo's just a paranoid jerk by comparison.
Dont you think the bolded part may have to do with Danzo's influence?

Oro gave freaks a place where they belonged, I cant remember a single good action feat from Danzo, and oh boy....... had he really survived and became alliance leader the alliance would most likely be facing a way more pissed off and bloodlusted Kabuto.

In the long run he even put in risk the entire world, it is thanks to him edo tensei is soloing the war in the first place, it is thanks to him we have a villain who at full power could only be matched by RS (Kabuto with all his edo army) and then he planned to brainwash the alliance into making him leader.

Imagine the consequences of that, you wouldnt be seeing Madara playing with the Kages, you would be seeing a bloodlusted Kabuto who made Madara to throw a meteor shower.

You have to question how of a villain he was when his mere presence would had been enough to potentially massively amplify the bad guys and if not outright guarantee a win for them.

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Dont you think the bolded part may have to do with Danzo's influence?
You're right. Danzo's "your only bond is with the village" teachings might've damaged Oro's ability to feel compassionate for other peoples' connections.

Oro did seem a bit sad when Nawaki died, so it's not like he was always this uncaring.

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