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Old 02-06-2012, 06:40 PM   #1
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Speed equalized and CB Yusuke. This definitely fares much better than the last thread, right? ...

Scenario two: No restrictions. 25 meters away.


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Old 02-06-2012, 11:07 PM   #2
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She has the destructive feats to compete with S class demons. Plus, I've read some telekinesis, barriers, and flight, so she most likely wins this one.

I'll await for someone who familiar with the series.

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:31 PM   #3
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Yusuke's spirit gun is a deal stronger than her attacks, but multiple hits would kill him.

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Old 02-07-2012, 01:52 AM   #4
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Eh, could go either way tbh. Nanoha will want to keep this fight at a distance as much as possible lest she risk getting hit with the devastating spirit wave at close range. She is better at spamming her named attacks than he is, however. But Yusuke can choose to save his precious spirit gun ammo for the opportune moment and in the meantime spam shockwaves.

So yeah, again, this fight could go either way. Flip a coin.

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True. Even Sensui had flight, but that wasn't a problem for Yusuke.

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Old 02-07-2012, 08:37 AM   #6
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I've read some telekinesis, barriers, and flight
Telekinesis is quite useless in this combat. No one in MSLNverse never raised with telekinesis more than ~100kg.

I forgot, EoCB Yusuke could not fly?


Base CB Yusuke probably can beat base Nanoha with mid / high difficulty. At least in the melee.

But Base Nanoha ≈ 4 x Blaster bits ≈ RH standalone mode.
Add to this the Beam Cannon Unit, Blade Unit and Plasma Cannon Unit.
Base CB Yusuke is not much chance to beat all this at the same time.

Although mazoku Yusuke is way above, than base Yusuke.
But Nanoha with Blaster System limit 1, also is way above, than base Nanoha.
And Blaster sysem limit 1 <<< BS2 <<< BS3(blaster bits also get powerup from blaster system limits 1-3).

In any case, Nanoha has a much better chance against the CB Yusuke, than Fate against Sensui.

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Old 02-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #7
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Odds are, Yusuke will lose more often than not - spamming shockwaves that can be dodged and won't do any damage wouldn't do much good. She can fire 5 auto-guided attacks at once, can have up to 7 barriers at once, capture spells that will not allow him to use his spirit gun, etc. Only his spirit gun would be able to do anything and he has just 4 shots.

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Only his spirit gun would be able to do anything and he has just 4 shots.
She can not stand for long under the onslaught of mountainbusting punches.
She will constantly lose energy to maintain the barriers.

By the way, how powerful is EoCB Yusuke's ReiGun?

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Old 02-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #9
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Are you aware of how strong Yusuke is? Doesn't seem like it. The calcs would be in either Cable's blog or Chaos's, but here's the spirit gun.

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Are you aware of how strong Yusuke is? Doesn't seem like it.
Casually mountain busting punches and multi-mountain busting ReiGun.
This is what I remember.
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The calcs would be in either Cable's blog or Chaos's, but here's the spirit gun.
Yes, I seem to have already seen this calc.

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Old 02-08-2012, 09:43 AM   #11
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Anything wrong regarding this calc?

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Anything wrong regarding this calc?
First?

Is he calcing the beam's speed?

Or that burst of light after the beam traveled off panel?

Second?

Could he possibly upload every frame that occurs within that 1-2 second timeframe? I'd like to be able to see the whole feat frame by frame.

Third?

I don't think basing a calc on how fast the beam disappeared works for a speed, given it was thinning itself out AND we could still see that thinning out beam on screen while that burst of light was leaving.

No, I'm not really convinced the speed is valid.

I have no issue with using frames, I have an issue with the actual calc's basis is all. I think. I really can't tell what Garv was aiming for, but I'm assuming it was for how long it took the beam to travel off panel.

In which case he should have gotten the speed for when it first appeared.

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Old 02-08-2012, 11:40 AM   #13
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He's calcing the speed of the beam - in this frame (the white flash in this frame and the one before it is not the beam), the beam hasn't traveled the distance. But in the next frame, the beam appears and has traveled the 2210 meters. It's not based on how fast the beam disappeared.


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Old 02-08-2012, 04:38 PM   #14
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How would the second scenario go?

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Nanoha probably wins.

Assuming that calc holds up.

Seriously, I really am interested in seeing all the frames.

Shit on youtube was a bit hard to follow

Also, is this an attack anyone's ever dodged?

I also suggest putting the calc in the meta for scrutiny.

Not like everyone's going to check out a respect thread.

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Old 02-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #16
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Yeah, the beam is a combination of Divine Buster + Thunder Rage - characters have dodged stronger and faster versions of one of those attacks (and the attack itself) - both attacks were going at the same speed.

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Dodging an attack doesn't give you the same speed. Gives you decent reactions and movement, just not comparable.

Also, who's to say the combination attack didn't receive a boost in both speed and power?

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Old 02-08-2012, 04:58 PM   #18
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Dodging an attack doesn't give you the same speed. Gives you decent reactions and movement, just not comparable.
Remember that invalid (calc-stacking) calc that has a Nanoha character moving at least several meters to intercept the beams and escaping before the beams were able to travel a distance of 0.5 meters? And we concluded they would be at least as fast as the beams because of it? Those beams would of the same speed.

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Also, who's to say the combination attack didn't receive a boost in both speed and power?
They didn't actually combine to form one attack, just simultaneously burrowing down the same path. Just to make that clear.

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I see.

Fair enough on all points.

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:50 PM   #20
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Nanoha probably wins.

Assuming that calc holds up.
Seems to be pretty much the case that it's valid. Mach 155+ is where the high and top tier would rest at. Yusuke misses every shot of his spirit gun and gets messed up.

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