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Old 02-04-2012, 07:20 AM   #1
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Kyuubi Kurama's 'sudden' friendship with Naruto

I've seen a lot of hostility towards Kurama's 'sudden' friendship with Naruto, and wished to convey my thoughts on the matter in the form of an essay of sorts. All in all, I think that Kurama and Naruto's now somewhat solid friendship is perfect in the way it's built up. I'm interested to see what you all think. ^^;

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Given the latest chapter, I honestly feel like I can see why Kurama, and in turn the other tailed beasts, act the way they do.

The last words from the RS, which all the beasts seem to greatly respect at the very least, were that they'd discover true power on their own. After he died, my thoughts are that they stayed together for a little while before going on individual journeys to discover their own powers.

For those who've seen it, think Gatomon from Digimon. She waited for a while before going on her journey to discover what she was waiting for, then met Myotismon and went down a dark path. However, quite soon after meeting Kari, she turned sides almost instantly and became Kari's best friend, and there was never any doubt again.

Kurama's circumstances, at least to me, mirror this situation. Kurama was alone, presumably, for a long time; "Over the centuries, Kurama had gained a reputation as an age-old natural disaster, appearing suddenly out of nowhere to attack areas wherever human malice had collected and festered." (Chapter 399, page 15, Naruto Wiki)

Why would Kurama attack villages where malice had festered only? It seems strange to me, this little titbit. It makes me believe that Kurama didn't hate humans at this stage entirely, merely hated evil humans.

Then of course Marada started controlling him, and soon after that it was forcefully sealed inside someone, after Hashirama told him that "his power was too great, and he couldn't let him wander anymore". (Naruto chapter 568, page 8) I can see why Kurama was so filled with hate after that.

Then along comes Naruto, whose actions intrigued Kurama into watching him silently (Chapter 538, page 2), for all of those years. At first, of course, Kurama wants nothing more than to kill Naruto because he was forced to live in his body and imprisoned. That dynamic seems to change slowly but surely over the course of the manga.

At first, Kurama remains the same, but after having his chakra taken away, and after licking his wounds and resting... I wonder what was going through Kurama's head during that stage. During this time between loosing his chakra and recovering, I think he wanted to test Naruto's resolve by calling out to him during chapter 538. When Naruto told him that one day, he would do something about Kurama's hate, I think this made him remember back to the days where he was searching for power like the RS had prophesized. I think he would've dismissed his thoughts immediately at first before going back to it at a later time. However, at some point, we know that Kurama has stopped taking Naruto's chakra. When this happened exactly is unclear, but I think it might've happened shortly after the hokage fight and daybreak (Chapter 545).

The reason I believe this is because of Naruto's declaration that living with a tailed beast inside him "wasn't so bad", and Kurama's shocked look. I think this line both reinforced Naruto's earlier proclaim of doing something about Kurama's hate as well as made Kurama think back to his previous hosts, who both lived happy lives.

Then we get to the fight with Tobi and the other bijuu/jin's, and Kurama is stubbornly holding onto his beliefs that Naruto is exactly the same as the other jin's before him, as well as the jin's from other villages with the exception of Bee and Gyuki, until he remembers the hate line. Kurama, at this stage, flashes back to moments in Naruto's life where he's changed all of their hate with his words and his actions, and decides to himself that, if he helps Son out, that he might just be the 'power' the RS told him to look for all along (I think that 'power' is love/friendship, btw >> )

And that's when Kurama decides to befriend Naruto, after EVERYTHING that he has observed and seen.

(As a side note: I think Gyuki reached the same conclusions as Kurama did, too. He clearly despised humanity too before being sealed into Bee, and in previous chapters, Gyuki himself has said that he went through "the same thing" in regards to his relationship with Bee, including the chakra cloak that Naruto currently has, before he reached the perfection he has now. But he's had some 25 odd years at least to bond with Gyuki; Naruto has only had 4, given he didn't even know about Kurama being inside him until he was 12. It's no wonder his transformations are so much more advanced than Naruto's own. )

All in all, that is why I think Kurama's actions in the recent chapters are justified, and also why I can accept them so easily (and I can't hide my excitement either XD ), and why I don't really understand why people are so up in arms about the 'sudden' change of character. To me at least, it wasn't sudden at all in the grand scheme of things. It took a lot of build-up and stuff behind the scenes in Kurama's life for him to finally decide to co-operate with Naruto.


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Old 02-04-2012, 07:27 AM   #2
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Friendship is Magic.

That is all.

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Old 02-04-2012, 07:34 AM   #3
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Yes indeed. ^^

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Old 02-04-2012, 07:56 AM   #4
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Nah i believe it's bull crap,this manga has softened up too much now,all the evil guys we knew about are all folks who had a difficult past,from the bijuus to the humans,wtf really?

But it''s all good as there are some twisted fuckers like Tobi and Kabuto,this show can still be entertaining

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Old 02-04-2012, 08:33 AM   #5
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I value friendship 'da fuck I need my bro's or I'd be a shell of my former self.

Maybe the tailed beasts are like me

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Basically, I can understand their anger that no human being ever lived up to the standard set by the rikudou sennin's last words.

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Brilliant essay OP. Good work!

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Yeah I agree, but you might want to post the links next time.

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I don't like how Kishimoto went about doing this, I'd much prefer it if the Kyuubi retained at least some of his previous personality. Like if he still cared for Naruto but weren't so up front with it and continued acting as if he didn't want to help him out (i.e. like this: "I guess I'll help you out... just this one time though ... .")

I don't like the Kyuubi smiling in every panel and fucking fist pumping...

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Yeah, I agree, this is a FAR more convincing TnJ than any that Naruto's done.

At least Kurama didn't just turn tail and start obeying him, just like that.

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Old 02-04-2012, 06:08 PM   #11
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Basically, I can understand their anger that no human being ever lived up to the standard set by the rikudou sennin's last words.
Or they've lost hope ever finding said person, until the likes of Naruto and Bee show up. ^^

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Brilliant essay OP. Good work!
Thank you very much.

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Yeah I agree, but you might want to post the links next time.
I'll add them now. ^^;

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I don't like how Kishimoto went about doing this, I'd much prefer it if the Kyuubi retained at least some of his previous personality. Like if he still cared for Naruto but weren't so up front with it and continued acting as if he didn't want to help him out (i.e. like this: "I guess I'll help you out... just this one time though ... .")

I don't like the Kyuubi smiling in every panel and fucking fist pumping...
I think Kyuubi's changed his amosity to that of teasing him, such as the Sasuke comment. Also, they've only just begun; there's always the chance he'd be like Gyuki and insult Naruto here and there when he's getting on Kurama's nerves.

I foresee lots of fights in the future. >>

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Yeah, I agree, this is a FAR more convincing TnJ than any that Naruto's done.

At least Kurama didn't just turn tail and start obeying him, just like that.
Exactly. ^^

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Yeah, I think Kishimoto paced this thing well. How much more time do people think Kishimoto and Naruto are going to spend working on this friendship? It's just not that hard to make friends.

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This was anything but sudden.

This manga rushes plenty of things but the development of this relationship wasn't one of them.

I think this was handled the best it possibly could have been.

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After much thought, I do agree with those who say that this was the most convincing conversion that Naruto has made. Kurama had 16+ years to be affected by Naruto and many of us have remarked how Naruto's chakra could have also affected the bijuu. We knew that Naruto would have to form a cooperative bond with Kurama eventually, but there was the hope that Kurama would at least retain some of his personality. I don't want him to be a softie, but I do like the ribbing that he gave Naruto this chapter.

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Old 02-05-2012, 02:18 AM   #15
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Well, currently the situation calls for complete seriousness and co-operation in battle, so it's natural that Kurama would hold back on his usual snark, since bijuu's primary concern is self preservation.

I think the old snarky tsundere Kurama will resurface after the big battles are over and done with. We got a glimpse at the end of chapter 570 before Kurama and Naruto bro-fisted, and in this chapter too. I personally feel that hints towards what their future exchanges are going to be like. ^^

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I personally don't feel it's done convincingly at all. I'm quite disappointed and feel kishimoto did a much better job at writing characters and personality transitions in part 1. He's really been messing up in part 2 imo.

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Nah i believe it's bull crap,this manga has softened up too much now,all the evil guys we knew about are all folks who had a difficult past,from the bijuus to the humans,wtf really?

But it''s all good as there are some twisted fuckers like Tobi and Kabuto,this show can still be entertaining
What makes you think Kabuto and Tobi won't have a sobstory too?

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I think Kishimoto picked a good time for this relationship. Any earlier would result in more irritation from the fans, and any later would...well, result in more irritation from the fans. But I saw this relationship coming a mile away. Why couldn't Kurama get character development like everyone else, anyway?

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What makes you think Kabuto and Tobi won't have a sobstory too?
Who knows at this point...

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Please stfu with this bullshit..... on his own...kiss my ass. This is a godamn fox with wavy tails, whos just been seduced by this blockhead with a shitty thumbs up for life. Madara was right....Kyuubi is just a dumb bitch who loves to be beat up...nothing more than that.

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