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Old 12-24-2011, 09:23 PM   #1
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This is another Tobi Identity Thread. Skip to TL;DR if you wish.

I think I've figured out what the Kyuubi is going to show Naruto. He'll show him the true identity of Tobi and everything that happened on the night of Mito's extraction.

Before that, let me declare a few things.
  • Mito Uzumaki lost control of the Nine Tails during childbirth (will be expanded upon)
  • This happened after the battle of the Valley of the End
  • Mito Uzumaki had the ability to sense Negative Emotions (Chakra Mode?)
  • The Uzumaki (from decent of the younger child) have immense vitality

I believe Tobi is an Uzumaki. To be precise, Tobi is the child of Mito Uzumaki and the son of Hashirama Senju. Now, there is something that must be pointed out again. The Uzumaki and Senju are stated to both be related to the Sage of the Six Paths, or to be precise, his younger son. I believe by creating a child from both these roots you will have a very elite child capable of doing things similar to what the younger son did.

Spoiler:


Mito Uzumaki's seal almost broke during childbirth -

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Bottom left panel.
I wonder what actually happened on that night? Mito went through Childbirth, but no baby? Throughout the entire manga, her baby isnt mentioned.

Tobi knew the seal was at it's weakest during childbirth as he was a victim himself. Madara Uchiha survived the battle at the valley of the end and got a hold of their son. Through this child, he achieved the rinnegan.
Let's add more clarity to my argument.

Look what the Kyuubi said when he first encountered Tobi.

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Recognition. The Kyuubi recognised Tobi, how?
Because Tobi was in Mito's womb whilst the Kyuubi was sealed into her.

Something that's happened recently -
Spoiler:


The chain Tobi used to capture the tailed beast and regain control.
You recognise it.

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Contract Seals -
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Tobi is able to summon the Kyuubi at will, as shown during the Nine Tailed attack on Konoha which was supposedly "random". But who else is supposed to be able to do this? Oh that's right. Madara Uchiha, who attempted to summon the Kyuubi during a battle with the 5 Kage's but failed as Naruto's still the Jinchuuriki.

Now, it was Hashirama that took control of the Kyuubi through biological means. As we all know, genes can be passed down.. Etc etc. But more importantly, this ties in with the ability of the younger son which I mentioned previously. It may be through Biological means that the child of Mito and Hashirama can summon the Kyuubi; who knows how exactly Hashirama tamed the beast?

Tobi on "No-One" -
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Why would he say he is "No-One"? If you've followed well so far, you'll know what Im going to say. He wasnt named by Hashirama or Mito. There was no time for his parents to name him.

Other points -
  • Tobi is always seen with a Sharingan or a Rinnegan active. A non-uchiha can never deactivate their sharingan.
  • With that amount of Vitality running through him, he could live for a long amount of time.
  • The original Tobi mask was orange and swirly in the same fashion of the whirlpool symbol.

TL;DR
Tobi is Mito's and Hashirama's Son.

Currently repping + responding to pm's and others. I may continue to update this if people still want to keep an eye on it.


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Old 12-24-2011, 09:55 PM   #2
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It's possible OP...

Although, it should be noted that his first mask, according to flashbacks, was the "Tiger Stripe" mask.

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Some people have said that tobi could be the whirpool leader, look at the eyes of the whirpool leader and compare it to that of tobi when his masked was ripped off. If tobi was the son of hashirama he would be konoha nin and not a whirpool nin and would no longer rep them. There are many ways to connect tobi to the whirpool country and one of them is symbolism. Kishimoto has been known to communicate with the anime team and in the second to latest anime opening you can see that tobis mask is literally shown in the form of a whirlpool with one of the main characters at the center.

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:04 PM   #4
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Another theory to add to book. Well done .

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:05 PM   #5
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Some people have said that tobi could be the whirpool leader, look at the eyes of the whirpool leader and compare it to that of tobi when his masked was ripped off.
That guy is meant to be the Uzumaki clan head/elder.

Uzumaki =/= Uzushio
Unless of course they made up the entirety of the village, though I doubt that'd be the case

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:11 PM   #6
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wow,great theory!

it would also explain how tobi can have the sharingan and use it,let alone the rinnegan and not suffer the same debilitating effects as kakashi.

it was danzo who showed after all,explained by tobi himself, that the secret to being able to control so many sharingan as well as use so many jutsu(which would of exhausted if not killed kakashi) was the addition of senju DNA and that with both abilities (sharingan and senju DNA)that he could possibly control the kyuubi.

and it also fits that even tho madara is the only known person able to summon and control theh kyuubi how tobi was able to do it as well.

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:34 PM   #7
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Another thing, the Uzumakis clan symbol looks exactly the same as the elder sons eyes.

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:45 PM   #8
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Nice theory.

I have no real objections other than the fact that it would be a little...anticlimactic for Tobi to turn out to be what is essentially a new character. And I don't really see why he's so secretive about his face at this point (now that everybody knows he's not Madara).

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Old 12-24-2011, 11:01 PM   #9
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So this basically means that Tobi is Tsunades Uncle...

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Old 12-25-2011, 01:24 AM   #10
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one of the best Tobi theories, hands down.

at first i was hoping kishi would never reveal tobi's identity because all the possibilities seemed stupid, but this would be an extremely interesting twist.


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Old 12-25-2011, 01:32 AM   #11
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The child of Hashirama and Mito was probably Tsunade's father/mother. They were never mentioned because they were simply not relevant.

I doubt Madara stole their child away because Madara was thought to be dead by that time and there's no way he could kidnap Hashirama's own child unnoticed.

Furthermore even if this were true, whose Sharingan is Tobi using, since this would mean he was not a natural Uchiha.

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Old 12-25-2011, 01:35 AM   #12
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I stopped reading when it was stated that Tobi could be an Uzamaki. That would ruin everything for me

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Old 12-25-2011, 01:36 AM   #13
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More has been added.
See the part above "Other Points" in the OP.


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It's possible OP...

Although, it should be noted that his first mask, according to flashbacks, was the "Tiger Stripe" mask.
Sorry, I'll fix that as soon as I get back on my laptop.

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Another theory to add to book. Well done .
Thanks for the feedback Moon Fang.

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wow,great theory!

it would also explain how tobi can have the sharingan and use it,let alone the rinnegan and not suffer the same debilitating effects as kakashi.

it was danzo who showed after all,explained by tobi himself, that the secret to being able to control so many sharingan as well as use so many jutsu(which would of exhausted if not killed kakashi) was the addition of senju DNA and that with both abilities (sharingan and senju DNA)that he could possibly control the kyuubi.

and it also fits that even tho madara is the only known person able to summon and control theh kyuubi how tobi was able to do it as well.
That's actually a pretty valid point... If you dont mind I'll quote part of this post and write your name next to it in my OP?

Thanks for the posts and feedback. Thanks to those that have repped.

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The child of Hashirama and Mito was probably Tsunade's father/mother. They were never mentioned because they were simply not relevant.

I doubt Madara stole their child away because Madara was thought to be dead by that time and there's no way he could kidnap Hashirama's own child unnoticed.

Furthermore even if this were true, whose Sharingan is Tobi using, since this would mean he was not a natural Uchiha.
I dont know maybe one of the thousand in his lab.
The rest is plausible but I will quote and counter argue.


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Old 12-25-2011, 02:52 AM   #14
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O_O i am fucking impressed.

it could make a huge parallel between naruto and tobi!

the whole "steal during childbirth" thing, and how fitting it would be for madara to steal hashirama's and mito's son?

fuck, perhaps even the power that madara stole from hashirama was not even during their fight, but actually from their son.

imo, even tobi's space/time stuff could be an uzumaki technique lol, what would make it clash directly with hiraishin itself.

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One of the best and most plausibles theoryes I have seen in a while well done and I wouln't be surprised if this became true

I would also like to add that, this awesome theory of yours would explain the relationship between hashirama's powers with zetsu and the white goo that tobi is made out of it's very plausible

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Sounds really good!
Would be interesting to see how Kishi explains that no one in the whole time wondered where that little child of Mito and Hashirama could be and some other statements that wouldn't fit.


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Old 12-25-2011, 05:24 AM   #17
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This is the best theory I've read so far the past 6 months! +reps sir!

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Spoiler:
This is another Tobi Identity Thread. Skip to TL;DR if you wish.

I think I've figured out what the Kyuubi is going to show Naruto. He'll show him the true identity of Tobi and everything that happened on the night of Mito's extraction.

Before that, let me declare a few things.
  • Mito Uzumaki lost control of the Nine Tails during childbirth (will be expanded upon)
  • This happened after the battle of the Valley of the End
  • Mito Uzumaki had the ability to sense Negative Emotions (Chakra Mode?)
  • The Uzumaki (from decent of the younger child) have immense vitality

I believe Tobi is an Uzumaki. To be precise, Tobi is the child of Mito Uzumaki and the son of Hashirama Senju. Now, there is something that must be pointed out again. The Uzumaki and Senju are stated to both be related to the Sage of the Six Paths, or to be precise, his younger son. I believe by creating a child from both these roots you will have a very elite child capable of doing things similar to what the younger son did.

Spoiler:


Mito Uzumaki's seal almost broke during childbirth -

Spoiler:


Bottom left panel.
I wonder what actually happened on that night? Mito went through Childbirth, but no baby? Throughout the entire manga, her baby isnt mentioned.

Tobi knew the seal was at it's weakest during childbirth as he was a victim himself. Madara Uchiha survived the battle at the valley of the end and got a hold of their son. Through this child, he achieved the rinnegan.
Let's add more clarity to my argument.

Look what the Kyuubi said when he first encountered Tobi.

Spoiler:


Recognition. The Kyuubi recognised Tobi, how?
Because Tobi was in Mito's womb whilst the Kyuubi was sealed into her.

Something that's happened recently -
Spoiler:


The chain Tobi used to capture the tailed beast and regain control.
You recognise it.

Spoiler:


Contract Seals -
Spoiler:


Tobi is able to summon the Kyuubi at will, as shown during the Nine Tailed attack on Konoha which was supposedly "random". But who else is supposed to be able to do this? Oh that's right. Madara Uchiha, who attempted to summon the Kyuubi during a battle with the 5 Kage's but failed as Naruto's still the Jinchuuriki.

Now, it was Hashirama that took control of the Kyuubi through biological means. As we all know, genes can be passed down.. Etc etc. But more importantly, this ties in with the ability of the younger son which I mentioned previously. It may be through Biological means that the child of Mito and Hashirama can summon the Kyuubi; who knows how exactly Hashirama tamed the beast?

Tobi on "No-One" -
Spoiler:


Why would he say he is "No-One"? If you've followed well so far, you'll know what Im going to say. He wasnt named by Hashirama or Mito. There was no time for his parents to name him.

Other points -
  • Tobi is always seen with a Sharingan or a Rinnegan active. A non-uchiha can never deactivate their sharingan.
  • With that amount of Vitality running through him, he could live for a long amount of time.
  • The original Tobi mask was orange and swirly in the same fashion of the whirlpool symbol.

TL;DR
Tobi is Mito's and Hashirama's Son.
What is this I don't even

No.

Son of Hashirama? Tobi should be on the senju side in that case, which he clearly isn't.

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TOBI'S Original MASK isn't the swirly MASK ( Chp. 500 page 14 )

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Old 12-25-2011, 08:05 AM   #20
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So... Tobi is Tsunade's father?

Well, I can't say I haven't heard worse theories.

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