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Old 12-01-2011, 10:05 AM   #1
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Unhappy Itachi vs Deidara and Sasori

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Itachi takes on Deidara+Sasori

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Location: Sannin Battle field

-Itachi is not sick. He is at full health

- Itachi has knowledge of Sasori's poison. But not of Third kazekage or 100 puppets

- Sasori starts off in Hiroku. Doesn't mean he cant go to his full form however .

Can Itachi solo two akatsuki members? Or does he get ROFL stomped?


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Old 12-01-2011, 10:10 AM   #2
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Itachi takes it Mid difficulty. Itachi has superior feats, intelligence, and jutsu to rape both of them. Sasori is a puppet, thus he is made of wood, thus a Katon turns him and his puppets to fire wood. Deidara gets LOLGENJUTSU stomped like the first time. All else fails he lights sasori up like a christmas tree and rape stomps deidara in CQC before he can summon his bird to fly. Sasori only has puppets going for him, all of which can be dodged via Sharingan prediction. The only thing that can basically harm Itachi here is Deidaras C-4 bomb, which can argumentatively be blocked by susanoo.

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Itachi takes it Mid difficulty. Itachi has superior feats, intelligence, and jutsu to rape both of them. Sasori is a puppet, thus he is made of wood, thus a Katon turns him and his puppets to fire wood. Deidara gets LOLGENJUTSU stomped like the first time. All else fails he lights sasori up like a christmas tree and rape stomps deidara in CQC before he can summon his bird to fly. Sasori only has puppets going for him, all of which can be dodged via Sharingan prediction. The only thing that can basically harm Itachi here is Deidaras C-4 bomb, which can argumentatively be blocked by susanoo.
Deidara will not fall to Itachi's base genjutsu again, as he now has an anti genjutsu eye. Sasori has over 100 puppets, so it will take Itachi quite a while to defeat them all with basic Katons.

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that's true. puppets would pose an issue

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Um you do realize Sasori and Deidara are like Itachi's worst match ups? hell each one by themselves would give Itachi a HELL of a fight

Either way Sasuno'o can be circumnavigated (Yata's mirror in particular) via C4 (Sasori doesn't need to breath so he can just force Itachi to stay within C4's AoE or Deidara could simply go the nuke level way and incinerate Sasori and Itachi with C3 (if people honestly think Itachi can continue fighting/let alone survive C3 I honestly don't know what to say)

Bottom line Itachi losses 10/10 times

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50/50 chance of itachi winning.

dealing with deidara's C3 and C4 while fighting iron sand and 100 puppets will be very taxing on itachi's eyesight and stamina. he undoubtedly possess the better jutsu here and would likely smash either one of deidara and sasori 1on1 but 2v1...and their jutsu spam makes it a very hard fight. so 50/50

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Um you do realize Sasori and Deidara are like Itachi's worst match ups? hell each one by themselves would give Itachi a HELL of a fight

Either way Sasuno'o can be circumnavigated (Yata's mirror in particular) via C4 (Sasori doesn't need to breath so he can just force Itachi to stay within C4's AoE or Deidara could simply go the nuke level way and incinerate Sasori and Itachi with C3 (if people honestly think Itachi can continue fighting/let alone survive C3 I honestly don't know what to say)

Bottom line Itachi losses 10/10 times
I'm merely observing the responses. While I have an idea of how this battle would go, looking at other threads with itachi and who the winner was, was interesesting.

I wont complain about who is the winner this time. However, with Itach's newer showing's, as well as Itachi having a long ranged attack in Susanoo, I expect the responses to be different this time around(compared to say...5-7 months ago)

Of course, whether you want to provide evidence as to why his Yata move (cant remember the name but it helped destroy chubaku tensei)wouldn't work on Sasori or Deidara is up to you.

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Sasori and Deidara take this with moderate difficulty. Hell Sasori or Deidara alone could put up one hell of a fight.

Deidara is not going to get caught in Itachi genjutsu this time and will more then likely take flight immediatly. This already puts Itachi at a disadvantage. Sasori t

Basically Itachi is going to need Susanno almost instantly against these two but that is not going to be enought to overcome these two

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on the other hand - what can either of them do vs Amaterasu or Yasaka Magatama ?


IC he won't use them right away though and his regular genjutsu strategies won't work here

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on the other hand - what can either of them do vs Amaterasu or Yasaka Magatama ?


IC he won't use them right away though and his regular genjutsu strategies won't work here
I'm more interested in that technique. After all, in the past it was argued that Sasori or Deidara can try to maintain distance from Susanoo so that they wouldn't get hit.

However, the fact that he can use that technique does pose a problem for Sasori and Deidara. What can Sasori do to actually avoid it? I'm not really sure myself.

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on the other hand - what can either of them do vs Amaterasu or Yasaka Magatama ?


IC he won't use them right away though and his regular genjutsu strategies won't work here
Amaterasu is only effective against Sasori (who is NOT made out of wood) and its debatable if Satetsu can block/resist Amaterasu, Deidara is literally omnipotent in the air in this match as he is out of range for Yasaka Magatama and Amaterasu

And Genjustu is pointless in this as again Deidara is out of range and Sasori is mindless puppet

Sasori just has to stall long enough for Deidara to prep C4 and its GG, Itachi WILL die in C4 as he cannot defuse the bombs like his younger brother

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what exactly is out of range ? out of visual range (I think that would be the range limit of Amaterasu/YM) ? How will Deidara see Itachi then ?

IC Deidara never tried to get completely out of range from Sasuke

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Unless Itachi hits Sasori in the heart (which he could shield with a well placed puppet), Amaterasu is useless against him.

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it can burn a lot of stuff in his FoV though (like dat forest burning) and makes whatever puppets it hits useless to Sasori

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it can burn a lot of stuff in his FoV though (like dat forest burning) and makes whatever puppets it hits useless to Sasori
Sasori has over 100 puppets though. Even healthy, Itachi is probably only able to use his MS (plus Susano and a few smaller jutsus) 5-6 times, and probably a lot less in this scenarion given that he will need to keep Susano active the whole time. Unless he gets Sasori's heart or a lot of puppets, it would not be a good MS usage.

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ok Amaterasu Deidara then and take his time going through the puppets 1v1

although Magatama should demolish Sasori's main puppet-body and everything inside it



bloodlusted Itachi would end this quick with MS, but IC he may get in trouble before that

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Itachi will be forced to keep Sasuno'o up the entire time QcQ is a no as Sasori will murder him in that department via Puppets

Itachi's ninjustu is good for 1 vs 1 match when you throw in a second high tier then shit goes downhill, Itachi will have to focus on Sasori and Deidara sending the occasional C2 bomb at him

If they can't kill him straight out, he will fore SURE be outlasted until he dies from chakra use or Sasuno'o collapses

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I don't see Itachi winning this, they are both unfavourable matchups for him alone. Sasori is a puppet and immune to genjutsu, which is Itachi's forte. Itachi's only answer is to sit in Susanno. But both of his opponents have a far greater range then him and can afford to wait until he succumbs to his injuries. He will not have time to activate amaterasu with the others spamming him. I see him entering susanno and forcing them back with them in turn firing down at him from range.

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Itachi unrestricted will be a tough fight for even both Sasori and Deidra, however the stipulation that he is in character gives the two former partners the ability to exploit Itachi's passive behavior in battle.

It's tough to say what exactly "manga knowledge" would mean for either side, being that members of Akatsuki have some knowledge of other members but perhaps not necessarily complete knowledge.

Itachi's knowledge on Sasori and Deidra

On Sasori: Sasori's poison is well known even by the Sunagakure. Itachi would not allow himself to be hit or scratched by any of Sasori's weapons. Itachi would also likely know about the Puppet Army, on the account of Sasori's self-proclaimed accomplishments with it. Itachi would likely know that Sasori himself is a puppet, or deduce it after activating Sharingan.

What he wouldn't know, at least not for sure, is about the heart container. Sharingan can perceive chakra, but its debatable as to what degree it can see the finer details. Most visuals of the Sharingan viewing chakra seems to depicting it seeing chakra in the form of clouds of energy. Sasori's chakra likely runs through his entire body, or at least through his general chest cavity. It's questionable whether or not Itachi could discern that Sasori's heart container is, in fact, housing his heart. Sasori's Kazekage puppet and specific attacks such as the poison gas and iron techniques are also likely unknown to some degree.

On Deidra: The important thing to consider about Deidra is many of his techniques are specifically focused on fighting Sharingan Illusionary techniques , especially Itachi's. There's nothing indicating that Itachi would know about this or about C0. Whether he knew about C4 Garuda or not is questionable, because even though Tobi seemed to know about it, he developed it specifically for fighting Itachi, so he may have kept it secret from all but his partner.

Deidra and Sasori's knowledge on Itachi

Because Zetsu knew about Ama, Tsuku and even a bit about Susano'o, it may be debated that all of Akatsuki knows of them. Nagato seemed to know some degree about them as well.

Needless to say, they will be aware of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. They will also know about his general-Uchiha related abilities including standard Sharingan, genjutsu and Katon usage. Konoha and other village higher-ups knew about Susano'o as well, it's likely they will know about Susano'o, but perhaps not its specific attacks.

The Fight

Itachi is typically passive in battle, typically letting his opponents make the first the attack. The only exceptions are when he's toying with his opponents or when he's forced to it through mind control. Deidra and Sasori, however, are unlikely to be effected by such genjutsu. Sasori, who has no brain stem or typical visual medium, is likely resistant to genjutsu, and Deidra will obviously start with his anti-genjutsu eye ready.

Sasori will not underestimate Itachi like he did Sakura and Chiyo, and will either start out with the Kazekage or Puppet Army. Either way, Sasori will likely keep his distance to avoid CQC with a Elite Uchiha with Sharingan prediction. Deidra's best move is to take flight, which is a likely scenario considering it's his typical fighting strategy. Because of the constitution of Sasori's puppets and Deidra's clay bombs, combined with the previously mentioned tactics Deidra and Sasori will start of with, it is unlikely that genjustu, possibly including Tsukuyomi, will be Itachi's course of action.

Itachi will instead rely on Katon's, taijutsu and Amaterasu to battle his opponents. Itachi's general Katon's may not reach Deidra because of their range and speed, but Amaterasu certainly will. The problem being that Itachi must look away from Sasori to hit Deidra with it, and depeding on the angle of elevation, Amaterasu may end up hitting the clay bird rather than Deidra himself. That being said, Deidra's clay takes time to properly use, so Itachi will likely attack Sasori first.

Itachi's obvious plan would be to blast down Sasori and his puppets with ninjutsu. Katons would be effective at both destroying puppets as well as shielding Itachi from poison needles and gas because of the resulting explosions. Itachi's Katons are more destructive than mere explosive tags, and more practical offensive-wise.

However, assuming Sasori has knowledge of Amaterasu, he will likely use the Kazekage as his initial puppet instead of the Puppet Army, as it is best suited for defending against Itachi's known ninjutsu's while keeping his distance. The Kazekage is also equipped with formidable melee weapons as well as poison dispersion. The Kazekage puppet's speed was also noted by a battle-experienced veteran.

Sasori will easily buy enough time for Deidra to prepare his clay weapons. Deidra is likely to jump straight to his anti-Itachi measures(C4 Garuda), due to his hate of Itachi.

Itachi will not let Deidra so easily complete his giant explosive doll. The best solution is to risk taking his focus away from Sasori and try to hit Deidra or Garuda with Amaterasu while the bomb is being created. This leaves Itachi open, so he'll likely resort to KB feints, attempt a strong genjutsu in hopes of it working or go right into Susano'o as a precaution against both Sasori and the Garuda.

The amount of flames required to completely destroy Garuda would require a considerable amount of time. Amaterasu is the most surefire option, but the amount of MS-time required would leave him exhausted and give Sasori an opportunity he could not afford.

This leaves Susano'o as the best choice considering the amount of time needed. It provides him protection against generic explosions and weapon based attacks. However, the microscopic destruction Garuda offers, as well as Sasori's poison gas, would surpass Susano'o due to Itachi's inherit need to breathe.

Susano'o is also Itachi's best weapon, as the Yasaka Magatama offers him the range to deal with Deidra and the destructive power to overcome Sasori. The Sword of Totsuka is arguably not useful, because of Itachi's immediate need to slay Garuda. The Sword's extension length, at most, is only a few meters, and arguable shorter than this distance. It may cut Garuda, but the clay can reform.

Itachi is left with launching Magatama's, a strategy that would potentially eliminate Deidra if he could not dodge and/or keep Sasori on the defensive. However, I sincerely doubt he can spam such a powerful technique, and I contend that in around 3 uses he would be greatly depleted. The question is would that be enough to stop both Sasori and Deidra, while leaving Itachi enough stamina to fight the remaining contenders.

Overall I give this match to Sasori and Deidra with Med-High Difficulty. I feel that their immunity to genjutsu and their air-born attacks are a perfect offense against Itachi. Sasori's defensive capabilities and Deidra's long distance fighting make them a powerful team, and Itachi's long range offenses, while powerful, will be too taxing to take out both of his opponents and leave him in a position where he won't be too exhausted or open for counter attacks.


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Susanoo defeats Deidara with ease now that Itachi has a long distance Jutsu besides amaterasu and katons. Even if you assume Deidara can break Itachi's genjutsu which I do not it would still take a split second like Killer bee did. Sasori isn't defeating MS period as Itachi can spot his heart container easily with Sharigan and aim amaterasu towards it.

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